17yo girl faces fine for using pepper spray against sex attacker

[TECSHARE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

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[acroman08]

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

[mOgliE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

[mOgliE]

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

She was not arrested, she might maybe perhaps get a fine.
Police has nothing to do with that. What's stupid is that law forbidding to own a perfectly non lethal defense equipment.

I'm the first one to defend gun control policy. No citizen should own something lethal, but pepper spray will cause nothing more than a huge headache and crying like a baby! Why not allowing citizens to own one??? I'm pretty much sure it's even better than just fighting bare hands!

[Spendulus]

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

She was not arrested, she might maybe perhaps get a fine.
Police has nothing to do with that. What's stupid is that law forbidding to own a perfectly non lethal defense equipment.

I'm the first one to defend gun control policy. No citizen should own something lethal, but pepper spray will cause nothing more than a huge headache and crying like a baby! Why not allowing citizens to own one??? I'm pretty much sure it's even better than just fighting bare hands!

A municipal fine certainly can result in jail, for example if it is not paid. 

Pepper spray has it's own unique attributes and dangers, for example if it is used inside a closed environment such as a car or bus.

At least to that extent, there are cases where using pepper spray should result in a fine.

[mOgliE]

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

She was not arrested, she might maybe perhaps get a fine.
Police has nothing to do with that. What's stupid is that law forbidding to own a perfectly non lethal defense equipment.

I'm the first one to defend gun control policy. No citizen should own something lethal, but pepper spray will cause nothing more than a huge headache and crying like a baby! Why not allowing citizens to own one??? I'm pretty much sure it's even better than just fighting bare hands!

A municipal fine certainly can result in jail, for example if it is not paid. 

Pepper spray has it's own unique attributes and dangers, for example if it is used inside a closed environment such as a car or bus.

At least to that extent, there are cases where using pepper spray should result in a fine.

A municipal fine can result in jail time after a dozen of years of non paying. Which is different from being arrested. That's all I wanted to say.

I totally agree on the use. It shouldn't be used without a very good reason and any use of a paper spray can be considered as an agression. But as a paper spray has no lethal possible use and only very marginal dangers it should be allowed to citizens. It's just a question of where you put the limit and I would put it on instruments that are proved lethal.

[Balthazar]

I'd be honestly amazed if civil war wouldn't start breaking out in places like this, because if the police aren't going to protect the people, then what good are they for? It doesn't matter if they're a refugee or somebody who was born and raised in the country for their whole lives, nobody should be able to get away with this kind of shit. I really wonder what gun control advocates have to say about this kind of thing, though you can bet that they'll be part of the left wing apologists and will inevitably say "She shouldn't be carrying around pepper spray to defend herself" I have a lot of respect for that 17 year old for having the balls to do it, she probably knew she'd get in trouble.

I'm sick to death of being told we're not allowed to defend ourselves and then the police when they are needed turning around and shrugging at us when something like this happens, this is what will happen if you guys in the U.S let gun control advocates take over, the people in charge just want to control you they don't give a fuck about protecting people, the people who believe in gun control are just fucking naive.

"What is the point of paying taxes?" the citizens and the parents of that 17yo should start asking themselves...

Good question.

[TECSHARE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

Yes, lets just ignore the fact that Sweden, Belgium, and Australia all have higher rates of rape in spite of having smaller populations and much stricter gun control laws or outright bans on gun ownership. I love that you still can't find your own sources as well and are still parroting the very statistics site I sourced to you previously when I attempted to debate gun control with you as you spouted your opinions over and over as if they were fact. BTW don't expect those rape stats to stay low for most of Europe this year and many following.

[Balthazar]

Fining victim for fighting off sexual attacker ‘is mad’

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/330474-denmark-pepper-spray-law-assault/

Jaleh Tavakoli: …The Danish police are thinking about punishing a girl for protecting herself. Even though it is illegal to have a pepper spray, she used it to protect herself from being raped or sexually harassed. I know that a lot of girls – they do not contact the police at all because they are afraid of getting punished instead of the attacker... It is not a worthy democratic state if victims of crimes are becoming the felons in the system. And if this keeps on going, then people who use pepper spray won’t tell the police what happened to them and this of course brings a lot of uncertainty into the public space, because people don’t really trust the police and they don’t trust statistics when it comes to rape or sexual attacks. This is not good for our democracy ... In Germany and Sweden we’ve seen that the media don’t want to say who the attackers are. All of these things make people not believe in authorities. This is not a way to go. This reminds me of a totalitarian regime and not democracy…

[mOgliE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

Yes, lets just ignore the fact that Sweden, Belgium, and Australia all have higher rates of rape in spite of having smaller populations and much stricter gun control laws or outright bans on gun ownership. I love that you still can't find your own sources as well and are still parroting the very statistics site I sourced to you previously when I attempted to debate gun control with you as you spouted your opinions over and over as if they were fact. BTW don't expect those rape stats to stay low for most of Europe this year and many following.

Hum... I didn't say anything about Australia because... You know... It's not in Europe and you were just spitting on European legislation. I can find my own sources thanks but this site was on the first results and as you gave it once I thought it would be easier for you to admit your wrong. Seems it will not.

And yes let's ignore the fact that only 2 of the 28 EU countries have higher rape rate  which means that 26 of 28 countries have a lower one.... What do you need to see that 26 > 2 ?

BTW, funny how when it's you, it's fact, when it's me, it's opinion no?

[bitsmichel]

this is just stupid!!! how a 17yo girl who protected herself from a sex attacker then gets arrested? i dont know how police work works in other countries, but this is plain stupid.

Age of majority is 18yo in Denmark. This means her parents or caretaker is responsible. Given that the only evidence is 'words', I doubt there can be any case whatsoever.

[TECSHARE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

Yes, lets just ignore the fact that Sweden, Belgium, and Australia all have higher rates of rape in spite of having smaller populations and much stricter gun control laws or outright bans on gun ownership. I love that you still can't find your own sources as well and are still parroting the very statistics site I sourced to you previously when I attempted to debate gun control with you as you spouted your opinions over and over as if they were fact. BTW don't expect those rape stats to stay low for most of Europe this year and many following.

Hum... I didn't say anything about Australia because... You know... It's not in Europe and you were just spitting on European legislation. I can find my own sources thanks but this site was on the first results and as you gave it once I thought it would be easier for you to admit your wrong. Seems it will not.

And yes let's ignore the fact that only 2 of the 28 EU countries have higher rape rate  which means that 26 of 28 countries have a lower one.... What do you need to see that 26 > 2 ?

BTW, funny how when it's you, it's fact, when it's me, it's opinion no?

You didn't say anything about Australia because it doesn't fit your narrative of gun ownership having no effect on preventing rape. I responded to your claim and used your own source to show that you ignored other instances which refute your claims in order to yes, push your opinion. He who claims proves, and your proof is not very compelling, especially considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries. You can tell me about per-capita if you want, I assure you I know how to interpret statistics. I am not sure you are able, but the per-capita rate does not account for the disparities in different classes, cultures, religions, races, etc that lead to higher crime rates which would lead to a greater need for gun ownership for self defense.

Lets discuss the rate of rapes in Europe one year from now (2016 stats) and compare it to the US rates shall we? Its easy to claim superiority when the wave of destruction is just starting to crash against you and you have nothing to defend yourselves with. The current crime rates are not reflected in years old statistics. Just because Europe enjoyed a short period of superior quality of life doesn't mean you are guaranteed that future, and marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.

[mOgliE]

Everyone who is in favor of gun control in the United States need to see this. This is what happens when you allow the liberals to take away your guns. First they will take away your guns. Then they will take away your kitchen knife. After that they will ban you from carrying pepper spray or any other substance, which could be useful in defending yourself. The left-wing loonies want to make you defenseless against the rapists and murderers.

If the law system works great there won't be rapists and murderers other than psychopats. Give 25 to life to rapists and murderers in bad conditions and see how many people dare this again.

doesn't matter if you're sarcastic with this but i somehow find it very doable for the government to implement such. its always fear that will make these low life back off. its death that will always make them back off. and putting it in thier minds that they will surely find death if they commit such crime so long as they are caught with evidence and a witness itself, the criminals would be dead before they'd have their day on court.

Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?

Having the right to own guns doesn't really make anything against rapes you know? Otherwise USA wouldn't have a higher rape rate than most UE countries (except for Belgium and Sweden).
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

It's always a question of pros and cons. And seeing the violent crimes in countries with right to own guns, and those with guns control, I know where my choice is.

Yes, lets just ignore the fact that Sweden, Belgium, and Australia all have higher rates of rape in spite of having smaller populations and much stricter gun control laws or outright bans on gun ownership. I love that you still can't find your own sources as well and are still parroting the very statistics site I sourced to you previously when I attempted to debate gun control with you as you spouted your opinions over and over as if they were fact. BTW don't expect those rape stats to stay low for most of Europe this year and many following.

Hum... I didn't say anything about Australia because... You know... It's not in Europe and you were just spitting on European legislation. I can find my own sources thanks but this site was on the first results and as you gave it once I thought it would be easier for you to admit your wrong. Seems it will not.

And yes let's ignore the fact that only 2 of the 28 EU countries have higher rape rate  which means that 26 of 28 countries have a lower one.... What do you need to see that 26 > 2 ?

BTW, funny how when it's you, it's fact, when it's me, it's opinion no?

You didn't say anything about Australia because it doesn't fit your narrative of gun ownership having no effect on preventing rape. I responded to your claim and used your own source to show that you ignored other instances which refute your claims in order to yes, push your opinion. He who claims proves, and your proof is not very compelling, especially considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries. You can tell me about per-capita if you want, I assure you I know how to interpret statistics. I am not sure you are able, but the per-capita rate does not account for the disparities in different classes, cultures, religions, races, etc that lead to higher crime rates which would lead to a greater need for gun ownership for self defense.

Lets discuss the rate of rapes in Europe one year from now (2016 stats) and compare it to the US rates shall we? Its easy to claim superiority when the wave of destruction is just starting to crash against you and you have nothing to defend yourselves with. The current crime rates are not reflected in years old statistics. Just because Europe enjoyed a short period of superior quality of life doesn't mean you are guaranteed that future, and marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.

Well I'll let you by your words. As you said, he who claims must prove. Then prove that " marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.".

I didn't say anything about Australia because it was not related to YOUR claim and YOUR statement about European legislation. I like how you consider that "considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries.". Well I'll go with your way of debating, just prove that claim. Cause as you kept saying, that's just an opinion.

EU has twice the population of USA, 28 times the legislation complexity, numerous different cultures and etcnics groups, dense history, more or less 25 different languages, and you just come here and caim that it's "not so much diversified, especially compared to the US".

Well. When it's you it's just fact no? But when I don't take one non European country because YOU were talking about European legislation, you say that I try to push my opinion. Double standards no? If we go this way, shall we also consider the dozen of gun non control country having superior rape rate or would it be out of debate because it doesn't suit you? At least I have the honnesty to apologize when I misinterprete a stat.

And ok let's discuss Europe rape rate at the end of 2016, I'm pretty sure it won't ashame our continent. But as for anything else, you know better of course.

P.S. Oh and of course let's totally forget about the fact that 26 out of 28 nations have a lower rape rate than US. It doesn't prove ANYTHING.

[Balthazar]

By the way, islamist territories of Syria have no gun regulation... The same is correct for Iraq, Somali and Lybia, these are so wonderful places to live.

[pungopete468]

It's a simple question about human rights. If you believe in human rights, you accept the necessity of self-defense. Without self-defense, there can be no human rights, only the illusion of them.

When a person employs the use of lethal force against an attacker, that attacker becomes unable to spread certain genetic deficiencies which poison the human genome affecting the quality of life for the future of humanity. It's a scientific fact, irrespective of what anybody believes, that every action or inaction will have a future consequence or reaction of some sort. It's already been established that a deficiency must be present to violently rape another person, no reasonable person would do it.

If you believe people are utterly incapable of determining when they need to defend themselves, then continue your gun control crusade. But if you believe you could identify an attack against yourself, and choose when it's reasonable to defend yourself, then gun control is an oppression on your ability to enact a dire need to defend yourself.

[ACAB]

Can't you read?

I can read, but can you?
It's about their law system, we can't blame anybody but lawmakers (politicians).

[TheButterZone]

By the way, islamist territories of Syria have no gun regulation... The same is correct for Iraq, Somali and Lybia, these are so wonderful places to live.

Sharia law and "the de facto/illegitimate government will kill you for self-defense they don't like" regulates women out of their human right to shoot rapists QUITE well.

[mrflibblehat]

I'm not sure I understand. If the attacker fled the scene and hasn't been found, them who is charging her?
I mean the police wasn't there, otherwise she would not have had to use the pepper spray, which means they have no evidence.
What the hell is happening? Is this a joke? What's happening with the scandinavian countries? I hear only bad jokes from what happens there.

[manis]

I'm not sure I understand. If the attacker fled the scene and hasn't been found, them who is charging her?
I mean the police wasn't there, otherwise she would not have had to use the pepper spray, which means they have no evidence.
What the hell is happening? Is this a joke? What's happening with the scandinavian countries? I hear only bad jokes from what happens there.

My question exactly.
Wouldn't this fall under a non-cognizable offence, where the victim has to file charges?
If the police couldn't protect her, they have no business filing charges.

[TheButterZone]

I'm not sure I understand. If the attacker fled the scene and hasn't been found, them who is charging her?
I mean the police wasn't there, otherwise she would not have had to use the pepper spray, which means they have no evidence.
What the hell is happening? Is this a joke? What's happening with the scandinavian countries? I hear only bad jokes from what happens there.

My question exactly.
Wouldn't this fall under a non-cognizable offence, where the victim has to file charges?
If the police couldn't protect her, they have no business filing charges.

Government exists today to punish/collect revenue from victimless criminals and protect victimful criminals from their victims.