Anyone want to place bets on whether it takes negative feedback in order to wake XBTec up again? He seems so sleepy unless people complain.
I think my bet would be on yes it will take the negative feedback. I guess we have to give it a day or two. Also, folks who still need payment, you probably ought to go ahead and send a PM to xbtec. |
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I thought about it earlier, the best solution would be to setup a 3rd party escrow/marketplace for signature selling.
1) Advertisers joins Marketplace, confirms he/she is the owner(operator) of the said domain.
2) Advertiser setups up campaign and funds the said campaign through a multi-signature amoung (Marketplace Admin, Advertisement and 3rd Party External Escrow)
3) Posters join the Marketplace, and apply for campaigns.
4) Advertiser, Poster and Escrow agree to said commitments (for campaign)
5) Marketplace data-mines the posters activity every X amount of time: checks to ensure poster doesnt remove said signature, quality checks the posts, keeps a daily post count log
6) Upon the end of the agreement, payments get made.
Seems simple, it can also be expandable to other forums and also helps all the said parties.
~ Advertisers get a flexible and semi-automatic system
~ Posters get the ability to find promising campaigns and the ability for an escrow.
If anyone has any interest in doing this type of system, let me know because I already have something like this in mind and could easily build it off of an existing script (that I have).
Could be very cool. I used the bitmixer.io campaign for a while and I can say that the automated part is also very convenient for the posters. |
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Sorry I am usually not the noob asking questions here, but what if I didn't make an enrollment post?
Can you stab me with a knife right now? In what part of the OP does it say that you need to make an enrollment post? I was checking out the payment form and it asks for your enrollment post. That was for last month. And yet, there it is, still in the form. I saw it too. I'm just mainly wishing that Stunna would provide a link to the data that people submit on the form so that we don't have to wait for him to curate it. In general, I can estimate my post count more or less at the time of signup because I posted a question or two in here just afterwards. Nonetheless, it feels a little weird not to be in that list of "enrolled users" as payday approaches. |
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Just when you think the scary movie actually finished with a happy ending ...
I hope that it doesn't have to go back to negative feedback again. Maybe yakamoto or someone who works for XBTec could just go through the spreadsheet (there aren't that many lines) and see that each person who was supposed to be paid actually was paid.
I'll do that. I know how the blockchain operates and how to locate and follow addresses, so I'll have all of that done in a few hours. I think that's very honorable of you, Yakamoto. I hope your boss will give you some payment for taking this on and finishing things up correctly. Payment? Feh, I'll do this for free. More fun do just do it rather than worrying about payment that comes with it. Payment is for signatures, goods and services. Tracking is simple. I just want to cause as little stress for XBTec as possible, and this wouldn't even be worth the effort required to get the BTC. I think I'll need XBTec to PM me his address, so I can compare it against transactions that may have happened since then. Unless he uses only 1, which I'll have a copy of, it may be a tad difficult. I'll do it some way  Work is work. And for whatever reason, you seem more motivated to do work to protect XBTec's reputation than he himself is. You may be able to use the dates and the exact amounts indicated in your spreadsheet as a heuristic. That is, if the payment address in the spreadsheet received an amount in the last 7 days which exactly matches the amount owed according the spreadsheet, it's pretty likely that that was XBTec paying. I'd say that the onus would be on individual users to show that that's a false positive in the unlikely case that someone else paid them exactly that amount for some other reason during that time period. Well, I am technically no longer employed, but it always nice to throw on a crypto-resume. I'm motivated because I am naturally driven to be productive, and I love getting new tasks. And I'd hate to see someone's reputation get slandered just because of some confusion... I guess you could say I'm a nice guy, and I feel bad for people here and there. A dangerous trait of mine, I guess. But thanks for the complement! ANYWAYS, Spreadsheet has been updated with a "Payment Cleared" column, and it also has a un-marked column beside it stating for the reason behind the color in the "Payment cleared" column. Green = Cleared, Red = No record. For some of the payments, they very well have been made. The issue is that some transactions do not show up, even compared against XBTec's to others. So some payments do not show up on XBTec's, but they were made, according to the receiving address. And green also means they got their payment, be it 0 or 0.16. So there are 3 payments that appear undone, and so I ask XBTec to look into these as soon as possible. Thanks everyone! Someone needs to give Yakamoto another job! |
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You can't tell us to unite and then say it's not a union . I previously used the overview thread for this, but I guess we could switch. Sure I can. The same way that I can say we should drink a beer together and yet say that I am not enforcing rules on how we drink beer. I think you're having fun with the pun, which is fine. But in all seriousness a 'union' implies a certain formal organization whereas the act of uniting is as generic as the interpretation in the moment. For more such examples, consider that you and your mates may congress in the hallway, that does not mean you've been elected to the United States Congress; you can jockey your way into a line, that does not mean you're necessarily on a horse; you can advocate for your idea, this does not mean you are a barrister, et much c. About the overview thread, I think the main point there is to categorize the offers currently available. The point here is to discuss measures of solidarity and to build culture. I think that they don't really overlap such that one supercedes the other. |
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Just when you think the scary movie actually finished with a happy ending ...
I hope that it doesn't have to go back to negative feedback again. Maybe yakamoto or someone who works for XBTec could just go through the spreadsheet (there aren't that many lines) and see that each person who was supposed to be paid actually was paid.
I'll do that. I know how the blockchain operates and how to locate and follow addresses, so I'll have all of that done in a few hours. I think that's very honorable of you, Yakamoto. I hope your boss will give you some payment for taking this on and finishing things up correctly. Payment? Feh, I'll do this for free. More fun do just do it rather than worrying about payment that comes with it. Payment is for signatures, goods and services. Tracking is simple. I just want to cause as little stress for XBTec as possible, and this wouldn't even be worth the effort required to get the BTC. I think I'll need XBTec to PM me his address, so I can compare it against transactions that may have happened since then. Unless he uses only 1, which I'll have a copy of, it may be a tad difficult. I'll do it some way Work is work. And for whatever reason, you seem more motivated to do work to protect XBTec's reputation than he himself is. You may be able to use the dates and the exact amounts indicated in your spreadsheet as a heuristic. That is, if the payment address in the spreadsheet received an amount in the last 7 days which exactly matches the amount owed according the spreadsheet, it's pretty likely that that was XBTec paying. I'd say that the onus would be on individual users to show that that's a false positive in the unlikely case that someone else paid them exactly that amount for some other reason during that time period. |
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Just when you think the scary movie actually finished with a happy ending ...
I hope that it doesn't have to go back to negative feedback again. Maybe yakamoto or someone who works for XBTec could just go through the spreadsheet (there aren't that many lines) and see that each person who was supposed to be paid actually was paid.
I'll do that. I know how the blockchain operates and how to locate and follow addresses, so I'll have all of that done in a few hours. I think that's very honorable of you, Yakamoto. I hope your boss will give you some payment for taking this on and finishing things up correctly. |
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Well I definitely did the submit the request for payment blankly after filling out the enroll part. I have every reason to think that I'm enrolled. However, I also have no real record of it.
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Yesterday, i have received payment,
Good to know that. Is there anyone still waiting for his/her payment now? Couple of people that removed the signatures sooner than he started paying out. Which, if I understand the situation, he still owes those people as well. If he made a contract with them to pay for a sig ad until day X. Then he doesn't start paying till a week after X. As long as those people left the ad up during the term of the agreement, then he still owes them. |
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Why don't you just switch to a reputable campaign and let everyone make their own decisions? If they want to get scammed - let them, it's none of your concern.
No. There will be more threads like this if a lot of them gets no pay. Its better to support everyone. Lucky enough someone like tspacepilot voice it out. But why is it so hard to just go with a reputable campaign instead of a new one that promises ridiculously high rates? If the offer is too good to be true - then it is exactly that. Armed, you're missing the point here. It's not about choosing a reputable campaign or overlooking things which are too good to be true. This is about sticking together when a campaign advertizer tries to screw some contractees but not others. Take a look at what happened in the xbtec thread, when some of the members with visible trust gave negative feedback, the problem was resolved for all the others within hours. Note that those guys that gave the visible feedback had been paid themselves, but they put the negative feedback as a sort of solidarity with the others who had been screwed. Well, of course you should put negative trust on people who deserve it. If you've been scammed, go to scam accusations and make your case, get a person from the default trust list to mark the scammer, if your claim is valid. Well, I'm glad you agree. I think we can take it to the next level, though. If people decide the kind of things that the advertizers need to get together before the campaign starts (say details about payment timing, for example), and then refuse to add the signature until these kinds of things are clarified up front, it seems to me that a lot of unfortunate scenarios that we have witnessed could be prevented. Really, I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to faciliate a discussion about how to best stick together and get a better marketplace for the advertizers and campaigners. |
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I wish I knew what my starting post was to make sure I hit 50 posts for the month. I hope PD3 has something built in for the sig campaign.
I have a bit of the same problem. I signed up under the new system whereby we use a webform to enroll rather than putting something in the thread. Now my starting post-count is somewhere in Stunna's data (I guess) but I have no idea because I'm forgetful and I can't see the data I submitted. Relatedly, I don't yet see myself on the "updated list of enrollees", so I don't know what to think about that, either. |
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Good to see the problem is solved now and there is a happy ending for the XBTec sig campaign.  yeah not like the fucking uptown scammers To be honest, I myself added the updown sig back when they were weekly. But afterhe failed to confirm my entry in the campaign after three days (despite a pm) I removed the ad and decided that I wanted to work with someone more responsive. Too bad more folks didn't feel that way sooner on. |
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you have the intellect of a Salad i take it by your eloquent and thoughtful response.
why did it take you so long to reply though ? was it hard to cook up that retort ?
oh yeah you sure showed me.. claimed you did not understand me then accused me of being mad.
i can spell it out for you nice and slow if you have a hard time reading..
and i am not mad and it is not a good come back because being mad or not has no bearing on whether a fact is in fact a fact.
and besides i have heard it before it's in the top 10 retorts list here..
spare me and come up with some original material
and
please make an effort to stay on topic if you don't mind thanks.
I'm absolutely on-topic. I have a very gemane comment about the irony of calling out shitcoins while advertising personal shitcoins in your signature. You're not the only one in this thread who is doing it. However, it seems to have touched a sore spot for you ("methinks the lady doth protest too much"). I do think that it's helpful to go ahead and spell things out "nice and slow" if that's your euphemism for typing something other than randomly generated vulgarity. Even without the obscentity, it's still not clear what you're trying to say here. I understand your points that: 1) "a fact is a fact" Ok, this is a tautology. No problem, I agree that a fact is a fact (how could I disagree?). Do you want elaborate on what you assert to be of a factual nature? 2) "you are not mad" Good. Being "mad" either means "crazy" or "enraged" and neither is a healthy state of mind, IMHO. 3) You wish I replied faster and you have some epithets regarding my intellect. Don't worry, I'm not going to let ad hominem attacks destroy my state-of-mind. I can say that I, too, am not "mad". Ok, with your points addressed, I'd be happy if you have anything useful to add to my discussion about "what makes a shitcoin a shitcoin" and the irony of everyone pointing to the other guy's coin and saying "that's shit", "mine is innovative". I love this thread, so much entertainment Is it bad that i instantly recognized your sock puppet? Sorry if this is stupid, whose sockpuppet? |
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I love this thread, so much entertainment
Oh man you should check out the unmoderated URO ANN thread. Mystery, murder, intrigue... It has it all. Well mainly its childish behavior by people with poor english skills, punctuated by racism and threats of violence, but it was entertaining as fuck. Basically, this kinda thing is what made the internet great. Or at least one kinda great. I guess there *are* a few other good things. |
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I just saw Yakamoto's speedsheet and paid to everyone. Please check I think payout question already solved. Thanks to Yakamoto for help with managing campaign. Thanks patience with payment delays. Thanks to community for promotion. In BTC we trust Looks like you forgot about me, i didn't get my payment for the posts made from 1st July to 8th July validium 218 233 15 N/A 15 Member 0.0007 0.0105 19pLroeZ13YioqA7TXcv2di4QaK2nCa7zx https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w002SE7zoqB3Hu-Z2MXcNcmiPkrPzFiV1OLPA7NysZ0/edit?usp=sharingI gonna fix it, don't worry. Wow this is great detail and service by OP. Seriously there are a million complaints still over at updown even though he says he paid everyone and it's for way more than .01 BTC. Nice job OP. Yes, it's wonderful that it looks like a happy ending for all here. Too bad about the disorganization during the campaign, still good to see it all come out ok in the end. So, valadium, will you report back when you receive your final payment? |
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Why don't you just switch to a reputable campaign and let everyone make their own decisions? If they want to get scammed - let them, it's none of your concern.
No. There will be more threads like this if a lot of them gets no pay. Its better to support everyone. Lucky enough someone like tspacepilot voice it out. But why is it so hard to just go with a reputable campaign instead of a new one that promises ridiculously high rates? If the offer is too good to be true - then it is exactly that. Armed, you're missing the point here. It's not about choosing a reputable campaign or overlooking things which are too good to be true. This is about sticking together when a campaign advertizer tries to screw some contractees but not others. Take a look at what happened in the xbtec thread, when some of the members with visible trust gave negative feedback, the problem was resolved for all the others within hours. Note that those guys that gave the visible feedback had been paid themselves, but they put the negative feedback as a sort of solidarity with the others who had been screwed. |
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I just saw Yakamoto's speedsheet and paid to everyone. Please check I think payout question already solved. Thanks to Yakamoto for help with managing campaign. Thanks patience with payment delays. Thanks to community for promotion. In BTC we trust Looks like you forgot about me, i didn't get my payment for the posts made from 1st July to 8th July validium 218 233 15 N/A 15 Member 0.0007 0.0105 19pLroeZ13YioqA7TXcv2di4QaK2nCa7zx https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w002SE7zoqB3Hu-Z2MXcNcmiPkrPzFiV1OLPA7NysZ0/edit?usp=sharingThis is a little strange. Yakamoto, can you say what happened here? You say that valadium had exactly 15 approved posts, but then you say "DID NOT MEET 15" in the comment field. I'm assuming it's the red "DID NOT MEET 15" which caused XBTeC to skip payment for valadium. Yet, it this seems to contradict what you wrote in the approved posts column. If this is the only outstanding issue with payments from XBTeC, I'm going to remove my negative feedback now. Yakamoto, it would be good if you could help clarify this and send word to XBTeC about valadium's payment if this was your oversight. |
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Been running for 2.5 hours on my mobile amd64...
Geez... we need some ASICs... Edit: Finished! I can confirm what Theymos wrote: the result is a real mess!  It ended up being a 24MB image, very stretched (32,767x1,935 pixels) with a bunch of lines. And that after it has been automatically scaled down to 0.18 because it was too large. The literals inside the small ovals are now unreadable. Yup, same thing here. The image is huge, too huge to post anywhere. Graphviz does have some other layout engines besides dot. Maybe one of the others would give a prettier picture, 'specially since this seems to be an unconnected graph. |
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Okay, I sent negative feedbaack and a PM and then I received my final payment.
It looks to me like not all campaigners have been paid yet, though. I'm going to leave my feedback until I can assess the situation. If anyone is on Yakamoto's final spreadsheet indicating that you are owed payment and you have not received your final payment, please speak up.
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