I paid out a lot. Almost $5k. Say what you will about that
Most of what you "paid out" was to a newbie with very shady dealings... |
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How you dare to say that 400% ROI a year is a fraud? I know Atriz is honest and 400% is very reasonable sir. Please don't you dare accuse him. By the way, Atriz, do you have some ref links of this ice rock campaign you've managed?
It doesn't look like there were any referral links in any of the signatures, although this doesn't mean participants didn't put any in. I would also point out that the Ice Rock signatures were very clearly misleading by saying that it is the 'most profitable' mining  |
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People are free to try offer better deals and services though often times they'll likely be much worse.
Offering better deals in this area almost always means offering horrible services.. I don't think it is fine to do this, especially not when the user was already hired. If you allow this, then you essentially allow users to do this out of spite; slippery slope here and there, you reject someone's entry in a bounty because of them being a farmed account: They attempt to get you ("legitimately; by offering "better" services") fired. It's a shitty thing to do but not illegal. The only issue I would have is if you had a deal with a company and they got rid of you during the campaign just to save a bit of money. That would be a breach of contract. I didn't tend to imply that it was illegal, but rather that it should be unethical and thus tag-worthy. You think it is okay to leave negative trust because someone is trying to compete for business with you? Or are you saying you would give negative trust because someone no longer wants to do business with you? Either way, that sounds like the definition of abuse... |
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This is a very large number of accounts and etherum addresses. Have you ruled out these addresses belonging to an exchange?
Nope, checked. I would advise you posting evidence you checked against things like exchanges and the like. Some will want to ensure these are not deposit addresses to xx exchange before staking their reputation that all these accounts belong to the same person. |
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people pointed out the obvious (a script can never be long-term profitable, It cannot be reasonably concluded that any betting strategy, including those done with a script can be reliably profitable in the short term a fact I had stated many times).
I would dispute this. If I'm not mistaken, it was one of my very first replies where I stated it to be EV- "one of" being the key words in that statement... |
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So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?
No. String. In other words, everyone listed in the op is involved in your extortion attempt... |
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I updated the OP to add more conspirators.
None of the people that you've added have anything to do with this[1]. It was TMAN and I, nobody else (I've been repeatedly calling for the removal of minifrij's name due to no-involvement, but you don't care about the truth). I'm guessing you were ordered by *you-know-who* to set this up in order to neg. them too? I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue.
I didn't address it because it is a lie; in what universe would you believe that someone with this opsec would call someone else around here? Quite the jokesters you and mr. dogg are.
I'll be requesting that more DT members tag you because of [1] once I find more time. The other guy can't be tagged because obvious reasons. Thank you. Not sure why I'm even on the list, I was made aware of it after the fact and had no real part in it other than an observer,but fuck facts... LOL... Quickstretcher is your new nick of the day!  Quickscammer doesn't care about any facts. So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?(or however you spell his name) |
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If the OP is willing to offer a no-collateral loan, then there is no reason to give any personal/dox information to the OP under any circumstances. If the OP is asking for any kind of collateral, then it would be best to ask that it be held by a mutually trusted, agreed upon escrow agent that both of you trust not to run away with the collateral.
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people pointed out the obvious (a script can never be long-term profitable, It cannot be reasonably concluded that any betting strategy, including those done with a script can be reliably profitable in the short term a fact I had stated many times).
I would dispute this. |
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If you are dealing with sufficiently large amounts, your trading partner can connect to your node via many other nodes so that they are the only entity you are connected to and can then broadcast a transaction to only your node (perform a Sybil attack). (If you are dealing in smaller amounts the cost of this will probably outweigh the expected gain).
You can publish the identity of a node you are running for fun and/or so others can use data you publish for research, however if you do this, I would use another full node (including possibly an electrum server) to verify transactions sent to you, especially when the other party sends first and when dealing with larger amounts.
IMHO, that is a negligible risk. Most people actually waits for a confirmation before accepting the payment. Bitcoin Core doesn't really have that behavior. The client must have at least 8 outgoing connections to the network that the clients wants to connect to. Assuming reference client, it is (almost) impossible for you to attack someone via Sybil attack if they can have a choice in whichever nodes that they want to connect to. Unless of course, you manage to get a whole bunch of IP addresses in different IP blocks and force the victim's client to connect to them only. I don't think this would be all that far outside the realm of possibilities if you are dealing with sufficiently large amounts. It is not very expensive to get a diverse range of IP addresses, and I would also point out that the OP's node displays the other nodes his node is connected to, so you would know with certainty if you have been successful or not in performing a sybil attack. If you can successfully execute a sybil attack, the cost to find a block that is on top of a recent ( but not most recent) block will be roughly the total approximate block reward, so it will not cost much more than 12.5-13 BTC to make your trading partner see a confirmation if you have executed a sybil attack. |
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Somewhat off topic here, however while we are making technical changes to the trust system, I think we should allow those that have received trust to write a rebuttal/response to any trust rating they receive. It is generally considered unethical among journalists to not solicit and publish (in pertinent part) a response to accusations against the subject of a (news) report. I don't see any reason why someone should not be able to directly respond to trust ratings, especially those negative in nature posted to their trust profile.
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I think there needs to be a serious discussion regarding aTriz's very shady business dealings: Vouch of fake gambling "script": aTriz claimed to have received a "vouch" copy of a gambling " script" that was being sold for over $10,000 by someone who has recently been exposed as a scammer: Was given a vouch copy of the method by op and played around with in with funds from the faucet.
With the 10 minutes I used this script with, I profited and worked perfectly. Would recommend.
I made an extremely good ROI, and I’m sure that others who buy the method will experience similar results. Thanks, Alia!
archive of the above quote that is unedited as of prior to when the person who was selling this script was exposed as being a scammer. Claims by the seller included " you cannot go wrong with it" and " is also able to indicate, in a way, the coming games' outcomes based on immediately preceding games", among others, which were debunked prior to aTriz posting his "vouch" (same reference). I would speculate that either aTriz did not receive the script being sold in the referenced thread, and/or aTriz did not perform sufficient due diligence prior to posting his 'vouch' and/or received undisclosed consideration in exchange for the 'vouch' and/or there were other conflicts of interests in giving this 'vouch' and/or was actively conspiring with the seller of this script in order to defraud potential buyers
Entering into shady 'custom' signature campaign deals: aTriz confirmed the terms of a signature deal with a person, who at the time has claimed to be a forum member for less than 30 days, that was for a duration of 3 years. The terms of this deal were that this person was going to receive payment in the amount of roughly $300 per month in exchange for '30-100' posts per month. The lower bound of the cost per post of the agreement was above the upper bound of signature campaign rates currently available to legendary members currently on an effective per post basis. aTriz entered into this agreement with the same person he 'vouched' for above. I believe a best case scenario is that aTriz is a very poor businessman and poor negotiator, although I believe it is very well possible that something much more shady was going on in relation to this deal.
Managing advertising campaign of probable ICO scam: aTriz managed the advertising campaign of what I believe to be a shady ICO, called Ice Rock Mining, and given gives this as a reference of his past work. If you look at their website, you will see they are promising that investors in their ICO will earn more than 400% return on their investment. Although this is unlikely, it is possible those behind the ICO are very good managers, and are very generous. However if you look at various archives, you will see the calculator currently lists potential returns over 3 years (which is also displayed on the live version of the website), however the FAQ section of an archive from October 2017 talks about two year contracts. The pre-sale of the ICO apparently started September 25, 2017. To me, this is something that was fairly clearly a scam for a number of reasons, however aTriz nevertheless managed the advertising campaign of this ICO, yet aTriz did nothing to call this out to warn potential investors. I would speculate that aTriz either was personally involved in this likely scam, and/or deliberately turned a blind eye to this probable scam because of this business relationship and/or attempted to legitimize this probable scam as a result of his business relationship (and of course the payments he was receiving).
Based on the above, I believe it is likely that ' trust' from aTriz is likely for sale, either directly via trust ratings, or from other actions that appear to make other entities look more trustworthy than they are.
Self moderated thread. I will be aggressive in deleting posts that are either off topic, or have the effect of (starting to) derail this thread. I will allow both alia and Ice Rock mining to each make a single post in this post (which I will quote and post in the OP) refuting the allegations above, however will otherwise be disallowed from posting in this thread. |
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I have seen you try to sell this for a while now without success, and will make you an offer that is quite frankly almost certainly going to be better than you will get from anyone else around here, and will allow you to liquidate the XRP you have been trying to sell for a long time at roughly market rates.
You have had a bad experience with an exchange in the past, and it is entirely understandable you do not want to use an exchange to convert your XRP into BTC (and potentially eventually USD). In order to address this, I will personally guarantee against losses resulting from you using the following exchanges resulting from the exchange not processing a withdrawal immidiately following (within 24 hours) you exchanging your XRP for BTC at then market rates on that exchange, which you must do immidiately following (within 24 hours) receiving credit for depositing said XRP to said exchange:
*bitfinex.com
*poloinex.com
*shapshift.io
For the purposes of this offer, the term "losses" is defined as the exchange failing to process a withdrawal request within 7 calendar days of requesting a withdrawal.
In the event I am required to cover losses, you must agree to assign claims against the relevant exchange to me (in other words, if there are recoveries from the exchange after I cover the losses, you must forward recoveries to me, at my expense).
If this signed message is insufficient to accept this guarantee, I am willing to deposit $50,000 worth of bitcoin to a mutually agreed upon escrow agent (at your expense) that will guarantee my performance in this offer. I am willing to accept OgNasty, blazed, tomatocage and theymos as an escrow agent, although I may consider escrow agents preferred by you (TheButterZone). If you wish for me to deposit this amount of bitcoin with an escrow agent, I will need up to 48 hours from your acceptance of this offer to deposit sufficient bitcoin to our agreed upon escrow agent.
In exchange for this guarantee, I will require a fee in the amount of 1.5% of the bitcoin successfully withdrawn as a result of the conversion of the 50,000 XRP into bitcoin, payable to an address to be provided, and signed by this same GPG key upon your acceptance of this offer.
This offer will expire as of when block 512363 is found on the Bitcoin blockchain.
If you feel any of the above terms are unfair, or otherwise undesirable, I am willing to further discuss these (or other) terms, so we can try to come to an agreement.
Please let me know.
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Cloudflare has been removed once again. Thanks theymos for doing this. Having Google breathing down our backs is never a good thing and I'm sure many of the forum users agree and support your decision.
I am not sure why you think this is true. The IP address of the forum is currently very clearly associated with cloudflare |
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For most customer deposits I used the pre-credit feature on BaB and I paid them out from my own wallet. So that makes sense
Ahhh, I am sure this is true |
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The forum should develop a written policy on disclosing information to government entities. Regardless of the above, I would encourage the forum to do the following: - publish a transparency report periodically, disclosing the number of requests, and requests fulfilled (generalized, if necessary) about various types of requests for information
- Notifying any subject of a government request for information (if allowed by law) of request for information before the providing of information, so the subject can attempt to fight these types of requests -- this should not preclude the forum from disclosing information voluntarily if in its sole judgment, providing said information would be a net benefit to the community
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I gambled with Alia. She did not tell me the name of the site, and I didn’t ask.... .....it sounds like you gave her 0.01 and she gave you back 0.02 without you having the slightest proof that any "gambling" actually took place.You told me that you initially lost all my money. You said you covered it with your own funds, then recovered, won, and split the profit with me. Just to tidy up something for me please nullius, is the bolded bit essentially what happened, (with the later detail)? I.e. you never actually saw any wagers being placed or a real time P/L indicator, she simply told you the end result? Here is what he said regarding the txids of alia gambling nullic's money Per my standard procedure, I requested that all info (addresses, amounts, etc.) be handled with PGP encryption. I want at least one tiny shred of blockchain privacy. However, I think after this, I will need to thoroughly anonymize this coin anyway. (And if you wonder where it came from: Thorough anonymization. Knock yourself out looking.)
txid for 0.01101346 BTC sent nullius → alia:
554962af97ea469ade363e4f6e402de37e9270a242e81b45c5dfa7b21e8fcc0b
txid for 0.021 BTC (exactly) received alia → nullius:
44e3aeed8ba068f52e048d76776205bcee05902af7db1eecbd697e7ac819c1ec
(Edit: Yes, as you will note, she allegedly gambled and then sent 0.021 BTC while my 0.01101346 BTC was still unconfirmed. Either I’m trustworthy for not committing a double-spend attack on 0.01101346 BTC, or the amounts were unimportant for serving the objective, or both.)
The transaction back to nullic from alia can somewhat be linked to freebitco.in by way of the change address, although there are a couple of transactions between the transaction from alia and when the coins make their way to a known freebitco.in address. I've never even used that site If you exclude freebitco.in, then neither transaction can be linked to any gambling site, using walletexplorer.com |
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I gambled with Alia. She did not tell me the name of the site, and I didn’t ask.... .....it sounds like you gave her 0.01 and she gave you back 0.02 without you having the slightest proof that any "gambling" actually took place.You told me that you initially lost all my money. You said you covered it with your own funds, then recovered, won, and split the profit with me. Just to tidy up something for me please nullius, is the bolded bit essentially what happened, (with the later detail)? I.e. you never actually saw any wagers being placed or a real time P/L indicator, she simply told you the end result? Here is what he said regarding the txids of alia gambling nullic's money Per my standard procedure, I requested that all info (addresses, amounts, etc.) be handled with PGP encryption. I want at least one tiny shred of blockchain privacy. However, I think after this, I will need to thoroughly anonymize this coin anyway. (And if you wonder where it came from: Thorough anonymization. Knock yourself out looking.)
txid for 0.01101346 BTC sent nullius → alia:
554962af97ea469ade363e4f6e402de37e9270a242e81b45c5dfa7b21e8fcc0b
txid for 0.021 BTC (exactly) received alia → nullius:
44e3aeed8ba068f52e048d76776205bcee05902af7db1eecbd697e7ac819c1ec
(Edit: Yes, as you will note, she allegedly gambled and then sent 0.021 BTC while my 0.01101346 BTC was still unconfirmed. Either I’m trustworthy for not committing a double-spend attack on 0.01101346 BTC, or the amounts were unimportant for serving the objective, or both.)
The transaction back to nullic from alia can somewhat be linked to freebitco.in by way of the change address, although there are a couple of transactions between the transaction from alia and when the coins make their way to a known freebitco.in address. |
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I updated the OP to add more conspirators. It appears this is a much more serious situation than I had previously realized. I now believe this to be more serious than an extortion attempt to 'investigate a crime/scam' but was also a coverup attempt when TMAN called zeroxal's mother. I understand this call was telling her that the harassment of zeroxal's family would continue if zeroxal did not stop accusing lauda of his extortion attempt. I also understand that this was not the only phone call to zeroxal's family members that were made by what I now believe to be essentially a gang. I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue. If theres no one complaining (real investor) who is actually involve in the matter that you guys are accusing him then this case is closed.
Oh you mean like in a similar thread against me, where the only affected party has dropped the case almost a year ago, Quickscammer keeps bumping it up? You have a non argument. For equality's sake, the case is to remain wide open and should be bumped until unresolved questions are answered. We had enough preemptive locking recently. Are you talking about when you signed a message trying to extort someone for BTC and then your cohorts harassed the victim going as far as to contact his family members until he agreed to not pursue anything against you? Ya, same thing. I did nothing wrong. There were no victims. Nobody on this thread was involved. It’s sad that you continue to destroy any shred of credibility you once had. [1]In a conspiracy, the criminal action of one conspirator is the actions of all other conspirators. |
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I have updated my QS key to have an expiration date of 2019. Please do not encrypt anything to the acctseller key, it is unlikely it will be able to be decrypted. My updated expiration has been sent to the key servers and should update in due time. [/list] |
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