Tell support it's too expensive (flat rates work well for you in network congestion usually, and conversely, you overpay in good times).

Not all sportsbooks/casinos charge you though. Withdrawals are free on Sportsbet and on Fortunejack (only that they do have minimum amounts, and the latter is pretty high, $150) and they do seem in my experience to use appropriate gas payments. I think that's fair though. Keep withdrawals frequency lean and no need to pay for tx fees.

Hate to say this but United were the better team last night really. If not for some close offsides, hesitance from Ronaldo (old CR7 would first time 3 of his chances but he took a second too long), and a poor penalty call (I hate those hand ball nonsense I know intent is no longer part of the decision but surely a deflection and natural hand positions still count).


They also ruined me, I had Bodo to win, I just find Dutch teams totally suspect, except for Ajax (who, even so, are one of the flimsiest squads when it comes to crunch time).

Yeah, I avoided a lot of bets, normally would have just piled on the upset stage but odds were either not as tasty, or I simply didn't know enough about teams. Didn't even know this team was from Romania, but yeah as expected, Hammers find a way in Europe. Always have to account for teams doing badly in the league to make up for it in Europe.

Fiorentina though hahaha.

Thanks for the quick turnaround! Appreciate you didn't ask for too much in terms of verification. Email provider deactivated me after 30 days of not logging in, which seems a bit extreme for me, and asked to switch to a paid version to reactivate, so that's a no go. Not so much that it was expensive, it's not even a provider that has great options.

18 weeks of NFL, good luck to those participating!

Game 1:  77'  3-0 Arsenal
Game 2:  77'  5-2 São Paulo FC
Game 3:  77'  3-2 Southampton

Hard to argue with the form of Villareal, Hammers, sure, they seem to find their touch in Europe, but I really dislike adding too many "sure bets" to my slip only for them to all add up to little over 2/1. Much better to rely on a single game to get the same odds.


Such as this one! I'm leaning towards Koln too, though they haven't won me much this season (both Nice and Koln actually provide serious value in their domestics, if you like martingaling on 2/1 odds!)

Agreed, in principal. But there's always something to be said about teams shitting in the league and doing their best in Europe, where da money is. Or at least, trying to!

So my picks, and I don't mind losing:
Bodoe/Glimt: 7.46
Kyiv: 5.66

Can find slightly better odds but used up all my boosts already Perfect games for me as I can bet live against them if they actually take the lead.

@toma @darxiaomi Think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Potter should be hands down EPL manager of the season so far... losing his two best players and still finding a way to play some of the most attractive football WHILE being above... Liverpool, United, Chelsea, etc.

Doesn't mean I think he can handle Chelski, tough, tough nut. He might just take the job for his CV, can't last longer than a season.

I'm definitely betting on Fulham though. I've been milking Chelsea for so much, might as well pile it on until at least Kante comes back.

@Welsh yeah I'm a fool going for a Spurs win at City. I'm so bad in this pool this season I feel like I need to take a few more risks before settling for regular style (which is hard to do because I still haven't gotten round to watching all the teams so I've not much idea about form either).

@Trofo Oh and I was wrong about 2 things pre-season. Mitrovic failing to impress at the highest level again... overlooked he's now peak striker age. And Haaland not getting game time, well, he only needs about 60/70 minutes to make his impression.

Not much different from me then, either, but because I support Liverpool, I want to see them do well in this competition, can't really imagine any supporter of the clubs playing there not joining -- then again, even for the ten years or so we weren't playing, I still watched the competition... club football is at its best quality in UCL, entertainment galore.

Don't think many of us know more beyond the giants you mentioned

KTChampions, Igehhh_Bot and cryptofrka: 3 joint winners, well done. Griezmann totally saved my ass, and many others last night I'm sure. I was too busy mourning Liverpool to watch anything else or even respond here. Make sure you guys have your Betnomi account usernames ready for when they give out the freebets!

Lewie also spoiled my exact score

@toma: It was Gomez who had the spirit of Maguire to me hahaha. He definitely gifted the goals, already nicked the balls off, but gave them back and made it easy.

Anguissa doing Zidane pirouettes 2 times and pulling them all off... that killed me.

@Trofo yeah Fabinho at one point was asking Trent where he was and the guy just shrugged and Fabinho didn't look mad... we need a Hendo in there to knock people's heads around. To be fair to TAA he was spraying in tons of good crosses, Salah and co were just shitty at converting. 33 shots even between both teams. They looked like they were playing in sauna... only Diaz was running his heart out. #23 jersey is always for those hard runners... even Shaqiri heh heh

We'll be fine, LFC_Bitcoin. It is what it is, gotta come down from ATH for a breather, no?


Shooting from the hip as usual man! I didn't recognise Griezmann at all actually, for some reason his hair made me think he was someone else (my programme tuned in to show him scoring). He saved me here and there for sure, but not to the extent of winning YOUR kind of bets.

Well done!

Care to share your picks for Europa?

^ Saw the above yesterday too and it's a pretty darned good promo if you know your American football (which I don't!).

P.S. OP I know we've spoken before and it seems my account may have a persistent access issues (mainly because I've lost access to the email registered). Any quick way to reinstate things without going through the mountain of support? I tried messaging before but they didn't get my issue (the registered email no longer exists).

Games are coming in thick and fast, and as usual, I'm looking for what I'd call value bets against superior opposition (which get even more ridiculous when playing at home).

Teams to eye: Fiorentina, Villareal, Basel and West Ham, all playing at home, mixed fortunes in domestic leagues (except bloody Villareal I'd say), and odds are all above 10/1 to lose.

Yikes, I thought Rodgers would get the sack before Tuchel but what do I know?

New Chelsea owners, same impatience, huh.

^ I know I said I had Chelsea and Real in my acca yesterday but for some reason my brain remembered wrong and I actually had Bayern on it instead, so my acca is very much alive, WHILE actually enjoying Chelsea's loss (notblox1 seriously, how could you think no one bet on Dinamo Zagreb?). If I hit this acca, I could lose all my bets for next 4 or 5 group stage upsets and still be in profit heh.


Also, I checked my Fairlay to cry over other bets and saw I placed this 12/1 bet on Shakhtar 4 days ago! Now I recall, this was after Leipzig's most recent Bundesliga game losing 4-0 to Frankfurt and registering shitty xGs their entire season. Terrible team!

So I'm already very happy with my season, despite ending almost bottom of the leaderboard (man I suck in pools this season).

BTW we had Ulven join us just before games started, so we have 35 players exactly. Pool is now closed, and thank you again to Betnomi for the sponsorship and to the secret sponsor for 2 free slots (Altryist and igehhh).

This season is definitely looking up, and I actually even somehow failed to mention I also bet against Leipzig (who're in the midst of having their worst league start in decades). That one was the biggest odds win too this season so far, shame!

Now Marseille and Rangers are the most interesting of tonight's games but perhaps Conte's too good in Europe, while Ajax have always been known to be brittle... so let's go for 2 bets, one bordering on ridiculous for a Barca upset.

100 units at Sportsbet on Rangers to WIN vs Ajax @7.20. Other odds: 7.00
100 units at Fairlay on Viktoria Plzen to WIN vs Barca @36.44. Other odds: 29.00

Units advantage: 764

Had a blast with Champions League opening day, so am definitely looking in tonight's clashes for some tasty encounters with high odds.

Zurich over 8/1 and Bodoe/Glimt are over 6/1. Plenty of other underdogs too but I don't know if I should bet on total unknowns. Arsenal and Eindhoven are the ones I'd bet against, even though they do seem to have a far better team on paper.

What do you guys think?

Feeling ultra proud of myself last night.

Put 5 long odds bets and 2 of them hit, should have counted on teams from Ukraine and Croatia to make my day eh?

This one is the best of the lot: Leipzig losing for over 12/1.
Chelsea losing for over 8/1.
Doesn't matter I lost the bets against Real, City and PSG. Made a very nifty 15x profit.

P.S. I guess it's normal that the other non-moderated thread where spam is alive and well is what's popular eh, haha.

^Nice to know, ampera! I'm required by lifelong faith to support Liverpool, actually feel a bit annoyed we're in the same group as Napoli (again) and Ajax (also sort of again), they're probably not the toughest teams in the competition but they do present unique challenges for the style we play. Can't wait for tonight!

No chance for 4+1 promos again for all UEFA competitions?


No problem, I'm getting it all in a clean sweep for next one. Kane, Salah, they are going to have a blast

Haha thank you, Chelsea is my moneymaker this season (didn't enter them here for many picks but wow they're just an amazing team to bet against, thank you Tuchel.

Now I wish I don't act like this after winning but one last bet before game starts. Couldn't resist haha.

100 units at Fairlay on Juventus to WIN vs PSG @10.20. Other odds: 9.20

I'll calculate all odds tomorrow.

@igehhh Chelsea eh? You just never know.

@Harko, swog, KTC etc. Such great odds for Real, huh! Enjoy them. For me, I've put 3 bets against the favourites today, BUT I also have a nice 20/1 acca waiting for Real, Chelsea and Liverpool to win (already Torino and Atalanta helped me out last night).

So I feel like I've hedged my bets

First games start in minutes, enjoy!

Barca's opponent is the real scary bet tomorrow!


Probably, but if they were active they'd have heard of it by now, and I have been pinging people and reminding and mentioning in other threads. The only thing I feel slightly concerned about is people who might be making picks now, and if they have a good round, they'll say, ok, I'm in, just to get the advantage of not committing.

Small chance, but for the sake of taking care of everyone else who actually cared to join, they're just going to have to be more prepared next season =)

But welcome! I was sure I'd asked you before, glad you made it here. About half of the EPL regulars aren't in here, but that's okay. We get new faces and old ones, I think that's pretty cool too.