Tok, you should give that fungibility lecture to the guys who ripped off evolution--they could have just sent it to BTCe and that would have been the end to it.

I do enjoy how you argue with things i didn't say and don't actually refute things that I did say--neat trick. Did they teach you that infographic school?  

But those are the rules, so here:

Until you can use math to disprove the validity of cryptonote transactions, you're just a word salad machine intent on using FUD tactics in a world ruled by cryptographers and mathematicians. Why don't you send GMaxwell your poster so he can hang it on his wall as a token of your unheralded genius after he takes his XMR address off his profile page. Listen up everyone, the cryptonote protocol was just broken by a poster, not math, a poster! Yes, you heard right. It wasn't the mathematicians or cryptographers who have looked over the code, but a lone man who had the insight to make graphics and quote himself with his brilliant, but not shared by anyone else, views of money. Listen up! Use a clear blockchain to buy drugs, sex, gambling, evade your taxes, send donations to political dissidents, buy your wife a dildo, or pay for your gay sons wedding, because Toknormal amateur economist said that opaque blockchains will never work because people are too stupid to trust math and won't ever trust what they can't see. Never mind that you would have seen evidence of cryptonote coins deflating or inflating  in number based on the code creating improper transactions, coin inflation and deflation that would be easily noticed and have exchanges and users screaming bloody murder, never mind all that, because some random guy declared himself an economist and says nobody will trust a system that is verified over and over and over again by math.

Your stupidity is exhausting.

You do know that's over a trillion dollar market, right?

Also, coins that employ view keys will be as private and as voluntarily reviewable as cash.

But this is all off-topic--I don't really care if dash is dying or not--i just can't listen to the flawed logic of its privacy argument.

It doesn't matter if you have a guy on the moon as a Dev; you still have the masternode problem, which is too many are owned by too few and encouraged to keep the number of nodes at 1000. And the biggest holder is most likely Evan who can be easily be gotten to, and if even he couldn't be (or was out as a Dev), most masternodes are currently on Amazon servers--Amazon!--a company known to work with the NSA. And even if none of this were true, you still depend on humans to not do stupid things like run masternodes on Amazon servers--this is an inherent weakness in any system that requires human best practices to be followed in most cases. Why? Most humans are worried about themselves and their costs, not worrying about the network and the residual cost to everyone else--in short, some humans are selfish and won't care that the system breaks as long as they are getting there's, while other humans are ignorant of how their actions might break a network and will do so unknowingly--this is why good cryptosystems don't use things like masternodes.

Lets be honest, unless I actually do it or have done it, you will always weasel out of the argument with rationalizations that protect your investment in your head--there's no way for you to know that Evan or the majority of masternodes were compromised in all situations and that would be the start of the end for current Dash. Hell, the NSA could be gleaning transaction info off the Amazon servers right now and no one but Amazon and the NSA would know.

And this part isn't for Aleix; he's already made his choice and is intent on riding it till it sinks. Anyone who cares about their privacy should only have confidence in cryptosystems that are decentralized and do not depend on humans or humans following best practices to maintain their security/privacy. This is an easy rule that saves you from having to come up with infinite attack vectors for infinite solutions for a problem that will infinitely follow a system built in this flawed way.

Some European countries share meta data with US agencies and even have more power to capture data than even the US due to less strict rules on spying agencies, but that doesn't diminish that foreign servers are sometimes owned by American companies already working with the US government or that can be forced, coerced, or bribed into supplying information.  Never mind that Dash's Dev Evan has too much power over Dash's direction (and its assets) and can be coerced by US operations to help or hinder Dash with the mere threat of a FinCen investigation or a compliance document similar to those that were used in Prism to get some of the biggest companies in the world to hand over unbridled access to data--either you don't get how much of a vestige interest all countries have in controlling information and finances or you overestimate Dash's ability to cope with these measures.

How would you realize the network is compromised if Evan was coerced into working with investigators? Cut the head off the snake and it dies, control it and you can decide where the venom goes.

Here would be my gameplan if I wanted to control Dash:

If Patriot Act rules are engaged, I would send a letter of complicity to Evan and have him work with my agency to glean as much information from the network while also creating more backdoors to glean information. If he chooses to fight the complicity order, I would green light a FinCen or SEC or FBI investigation with the power and scope of this investigation dependent on if he plays ball or not. If there weren't Patriot Act rules in play, I would move immediately to step two. The goal would be to control Dash, not to destroy it.  

I don't know the other players in Dash, but thanks to the instamine, they seem like a small group and most likely could be gotten to and forced to comply. To put the risk to US power in perspective: Gadaffi had an army and lived in his own country and had vast personal wealth, but was expelled from power and put to death after he talked about not accepting US dollars for oil. Do you think you can pin your replacing-all-the-world's-currency hopes on a guy who lives in Arizona, couldn't get the details of his coin launch in order, doesn't understand  (or care) that masternodes are a major attack vector for a cryptocurrency, and renames his coin every five months? That guy can be gotten to and i'm pretty sure it doesn't take a needlessly expensive revolution to do it.

Like this?

Points bolded taken in order:

--The NSA alone has an 8 billion dollar budget. TOR is a way bigger and more expensive target than dash and it is being done to TOR. Also, there's an economic incentive for masternodes to attack each other to get the number of nodes to 1000*--an NSA operation would definitely disable other masternodes to funnel transactions to the masternodes they control.


--would anyone notice if the NSA held a FinCen investigation over the biggest holder of dash's head and gleaned information from his masternodes while simultaneously attacking other masternodes to funnel the majority of transactions through the compromised nodes--I get the feeling you dashers don't wander much further than the marketcap listings for your cryptosystem research.

*this is from dash's frontpage

Why do dashers not think people get masternodes and that's why they think they are awful for privacy? If a governmental agency can afford to buy enough nodes to break TOR's anonymity (they did and can), why couldn't they afford to buy enough masternodes to break dash's anonymity, buy or intimidate the people who already own them, or go to Amazon (who they already work with) and get information from the hosts themselves on who is running the masternodes and where to "contact" them. If dash ever got close to Bitcoin's level this would be the easiest way to break dash's anonymity and comes straight from the NSA's thin-thread playbook--apparently Evan and his Devs skipped a few chapters in Cryptocurrency for Dummies.

Whoa! Let's get off your high road toadstool for a moment. I only commented when Monero was getting bashed--and subsequently was asked for information, and when that information was provided, it was dismissed as pointless and not worth the inquisitor's time--why even ask for it? Oh, because when this dasher believed no Bitcoin Devs had an interest in Monero, it served his argument. But when it was proved that Bitcoin Devs did have an interest in Monero, it didn't help his cause so he dismissed it as irrelevant. That's my play-by-play of my interaction on this thread (and why i hate dealing with people who try to shift arguments mid-argument), so save your generalizations for someone else.

For all I care, this thread can die. But bashing Monero isn't going to accelerate the process.

Actions speak louder than words and that ain't a dash address.  I don't even have an XMR address on my profile page--figure it's better to donate to the Monero Devs than me. You can always send GMaxwell a pm if you're curious.  

Also, Peter Todd did say something, though I'm not sure if he has an XMR address--maybe you could pm him while your hitting up Bitcoin Devs. And thanks for noticing a missing o, but not noticing the second link.  

Hey, spell check, check the links. 

* Also, why you're at it, check the grammar of the bolded part above; it's pretty horrendous. Glass houses and rocks are a terrible combo.

That's some technical analysis to be proud of.

To bad even Bitcoin Devs are Monero (XMR) believers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425 

And realize that Monero's fungibility is so good that 1 XMR always equals 1 XMR--no matter if it's stolen, drug money, or funding a NSA whistleblower's defense fund.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/579092073875308545 

Libertarians, communist, and transhumanist, Oh My!

Personally I'm a Deluezean capitalist, pre-AI singularity poet, and lover of fine women--you can add them to the list if you want. But back on topic: the price seems to slide when the buys drop below 300btc and the sell above 200k. I'm amazed how much gets eaten by the market without the day to day going wild.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425

^^AP isn't the only one who thinks XMR is a standout.

It would be Moneroj are dying or Monero is dying, knowhere-man.

And what's a  VIP-Sr? Do you get special treatment at the octogenarian strip club?

I'm not trying to be amusing; I'm trying to be right. And if I am, then your post will be 100% unintentionally amusing. 

Do some research sputnik. Saying everything's crap when we know only 90% of everything is crap makes you wrong 10% of the time. It's like your posts, they're amusing 10% of the time.

You should get an English tutor with your profits, knowhere man. 

Hate to break the binary us-versus-them sentiment of your post, but there are also people who do not like seeing the victims of pump (there's an inevitable dump) groups or sociopath developers who are more interested in cloning scam techniques than developing innovation.

If you or your coin or your dev are only in it for the $, then you're missing what crypto is trying to achieve with these coins which a sustainable e-cash which can be layered in innovative ways to provide more security/privacy in your digital world than what currently exist--which are out-mooted technologies that require you to trust third parties that have proved themselves untrustworthy over the course of human history.

A pump group is simply a gossip chain with the last hearers of the rumor left with little capital due to everyone else already knowing the news--just replace stock rumor with star gossip and Ryan's pumpers with TMZ and you get how much of it depends on timing equating worth, perception creating reality, mass creating buzz. But like all things using this ancient system, news gets old real fast and today's mega star is tomorrow's reality star.

TLDR: you guys keep getting ripped off because you rely on the very systems cryptocurrencies were invented to replace.

Tokeweed, you know chasing pumps is = to chasing dumps. Hodl BTC or believe in a coin that's got it beat.