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3521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: October 01, 2015, 07:01:51 PM
I like Google, but generally the larger an organization grows the more difficulty it becomes to resist government meddling, until it grows large enough to step into the shoes of the governments it serves.

Large centralized entities inevitably become a threat to free people...or assist those that are a threat to free people.  Decentralized autonomous entities  could be the fix. 

Maybe.


This generation and the one before it have been fed into believing the concept of self and privacy are old, dead memes.


3522  Other / Politics & Society / MORE THAN A DOZEN REPORTEDLY KILLED IN SHOOTING AT OREGON COMMUNITY COLLEGE on: October 01, 2015, 06:59:08 PM



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg12575125#msg12575125


3523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 01, 2015, 06:58:15 PM





DEVELOPING -- Police in Oregon responded to a report of a shooting on campus at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, at 10:30 a.m. local time.

There are unconfirmed reports of multiple dead and multiple injured.

There is "no longer a threat," according to a Douglas County Sheriff's Dept. spokesperson, citing dispatchers. The spokesperson said multiple assets were on site and EMS is on the scene.

The ATF said on Twitter that it had special agents on the scene.

A local fire department tweeted earlier that there was an "active shooter" and for people to "please stay away from the area."

Roseburg is a city of about 22,000 people located about 70 miles south of Eugene and about 180 miles south of Portland.

Umpqua Community College has about 3,000 students. Its website was down Thursday, and a phone message left at the school wasn't immediately returned.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/01/oregon-cops-respond-to-report-shooter-at-community-college/


3524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Regime Deports 22 Iraqi Christians After Denying Them Asylum… on: October 01, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
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One group of people has more value than another. Thanks 0bama.

It's sick, but not surprising. Another sign of the times.

Clear sign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M


3525  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: October 01, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
I use google for just about everything.  Getting away from them would be a great idea though.

Ever since i seen the news on how they were being re structured and such it made me wonder why.  They say it is for business but I believe it may be but I really do also believe they have an alternative motive.  What that may be I truly do not know.

But I can not see them gathering all the information that they do JUST for marketing.  I think they may have other ideas in mind.  If not now but maybe in the future.

I really dont know what to say.

Besides, I DONT TRUST EMM, and I think the distrust is right up there with our own government.

EDIT: Awesome, just realized this post got me to my member level.   Nice.


Hey Hello new member! Don't forget we exist because the bitcointalk.org God lets us. Relax and enjoy the ride...

 Cheesy

3526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: October 01, 2015, 06:44:54 PM



Roast Of Donald Trump Jeffrey Ross


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ToZcZkVzE



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And I thought he had a very thin skin. Hmm.




3527  Other / Politics & Society / Obama Regime Deports 22 Iraqi Christians After Denying Them Asylum… on: October 01, 2015, 05:54:01 PM




...While granting 4,200 Syrian Muslims asylum.


Iraqi Christians fleeing persecution at the hands of ISIS are being turned away at the American border despite having family sponsors – as thousands of Muslims are granted asylum.

At least 27 of the targeted minority, known as Chaldeans, have been held in detention in San Diego since entering through the Mexican border this spring.

Now, after months of waiting, 22 have denied asylum and sent back across the Atlantic to Europe, as another five await a verdict.

In total, America had accepted just 727 fleeing Christians at the start of 2015 – a fraction of the 4,200 Muslims granted asylum – and few since.

According to the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, five of the group have been charged with lying on their application forms by failing to declare that they have German passports.

The five criminally charged have been identified as Eva and Thamer Sadek Eshoa, Reta Marrogi, Valentina Adil Slewa Zori and Devid Benjamen Nooh Yako. They face five years in jail and a $250,000 fine.

The rest of the group, who also had family sponsors, have been directed towards Germany and Sweden, the hot spots for refugees in Europe.

‘They have family members, also Christians, who are willing to take them in,’ Jones told Daily Mail Online. ‘It used to be that that would be a huge help. It’s not clear why they, of all people, are being turned away while others are accepted.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255382/Two-dozen-Iraqi-Christians-fled-ISIS-crossed-U-S-seeking-religious-asylum-booted-days.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus


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One group of people has more value than another. Thanks 0bama.


3528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: October 01, 2015, 04:46:39 PM



Russian Hackers Tried 5 Times to Break Into Hillary’s Home Server



Russia-linked hackers tried at least five times to pry into Hillary Rodham Clinton's private email account while she was US secretary of state, emails released Wednesday show.

It is unclear, however, if she clicked on any attachment and exposed her account.

Clinton received the infected emails, disguised as speeding tickets, over four hours early on the morning of August 3, 2011.

The emails instructed recipients to print the attached tickets, which would have allowed hackers to take control of their computers.

Security researchers who analyzed the malicious software in September 2011 said that infected computers would transmit information from victims to at least three server computers overseas, including one in Russia.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Russian intelligence or citizens were responsible.

Clinton has said repeatedly that the unusual homebrew server she used was secure.

But the phishing attempts highlight the risk of Clinton's unsecure email being pried open by foreign intelligence agencies, even if others also received the virus concealed as a speeding ticket from Chatham, New York. The email misspelled the name of the city, came from a supposed New York City government account and contained a "Ticket.zip" file that would have been a red flag.

Most commercial antivirus software at the time would have detected the software, identified it as dangerous and prevented users from infecting themselves. It was unclear if the State Department's network security would have flagged the infected message, or what precautions were in place protecting Clinton's server in the basement of her home in Chappaqua.


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-linked-hackers-tried-to-break-in-5-times-into-hillary-clintons-private-server-2015-9


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"Most of the world did not know the server existed until a few months ago.
The Russians knew about it."







Of course they knew about it and these sorts of phising attempts are amateur-hour stuff.  high level russian and chinese espionage agents wouldn't send phising e-mails, they'd gain access through other means.

and I find it laughable that hillary keeps saying it was secure.  this is the same idiot that said she didn't know how this stuff works when asked about wiping the server.  I'll agree, it is likely she knows little, if anything, about high level cyber security, making her unfit to make such an assessment; and I doubt her closet custodian could hold a candle to those in the upper tiers of governement tasked with this sort of security.  His primary qualification was likely that he'd do anything to kiss her ass, hoping for some crumbs to fall from her cooter.

who is to say the closet man didn't grab files?  he had access.  what is his clearance?   what were the security protocols to prevent this sort of physical on-site grab that are in place at high level organizations.
I'm going to bet next to none.  Where is the handbook of security protocols that is in place at these sorts of places?  I'd love to see it.

This is a total shit show of the highest order.  From a strict security standpoint from what I've seen so far, there was none.  Dumb bitch might as well have been using a local cyber cafe. 


Not just her. How many times people who she was replying to got exposed in so many ways? The value was her network, who she trusted, etc. To know everyone on this network, then to know their weakness, was the ultimate price to get future pressure points of failure.


3529  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: October 01, 2015, 04:39:26 PM
That was a great read, thanks. Like I said, I agree on the points and examples but I'm a little cynical as you see. I admire your optimism and I know you are right in your logic. To me, a paradigm shift be it from Bitcoin or having decentralized institutions will only happen after the current ones collapse because of their own mistakes. And I'm not yet convinced of how a decentralized system will be better than what we have, for example Bitcoin itself, it generates many doubts while being amazingly innovative. One have to admit pros and cons from both sides.

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This is what I am wearing right now so to stay protected from google's evil internet rays...
http://s7.postimg.org/nd9z0kbln/image.jpg


2
We can't imagine what we don't know yet: attempts at projecting a future paradigm shift will fail. It is like asking a caterpillar to imagine and describe how it will feel to fly around as a butterfly. The caterpillar will have a description of the future that will end up looking like this:
http://s1.postimg.org/hknbmygu7/image.jpg

Every organism evolves in a defensive or offensive mode. The bitcoin concept goes beyond money as a reaction to what is happening now. Bitcoin is the antibody, a counter reaction.

Our back and fourth makes sens to us because we a both caterpillars...


3530  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New York Post: Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database on: October 01, 2015, 04:16:03 PM



NATIONWIDE ‘SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY’ FILES NOW DOCUMENT SKETCHY ONLINE ACTIVITY


In April 2013, an intrusion at the PG&E power substation in Silicon Valley knocked out local 911 services and cell phone service in the area. A team of gunmen who opened fire at the plant late at night and damaged 17 transformers was to blame.

But an intelligence community program manager warns a hack attack possibly could have had the same effect.

Now, a counterterrorism surveillance program that logs reports of suspicious behavior from spots across the country is also documenting reports of suspicious activity across the Internet.

The Director of National Intelligence in 2008 stood up the "suspicious activity reporting," or SAR, program as a post-Sept. 11 national security initiative. Authorities were trained to monitor for certain behaviors at airports, train stations and large events that might indicate a security threat. Local authorities currently send reports of sketchy behavior to Homeland Security Department-funded, regional fusion centers, where analysts make sense of the narratives.

Today, as physical systems become connected to the Internet of Things, and federal watchdogs warn of plane-hacking, authorities also are filing suspicious online activity reports.

"Just south of San Jose, a high power transformer was shot at by somebody with a rifle, and it caused a power failure," said Kshemendra Paul, program manager of the DNI Information Sharing Environment, in an interview with Nextgov. "That same equipment can potentially be SCADA-controlled over the Internet, or vulnerable to cyber outages, so they need to have an integrated view" of threats, he said, referring to supervisory control and data acquisition systems that control industrial operations.

At fusion centers in New Jersey and Missouri, among other locales, physical security experts are comparing notes with cybersecurity engineers.

"They have crime analysts, cyber analysts, terrorism analysts. They are all working together," Paul said. "Think about it. You have a threat to critical infrastructure: Is it a traditional physical threat? Is it a cyber threat? You want to have an integrated view of the threats and be effectively able to collaborate."

The suspicious cyber activity reporting system is operational, he said. Partners include the DHS National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center and the nonprofit Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center.

"We're talking about dozens to hundreds of analysts that have gone through training” across the networks, at the Secret Service or the FBI," he said. "DHS is sharing lots of products."

Meanwhile, the Senate as early as this week could debate the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act, a bill that would make it easier for businesses to exchange, with the government, details about hacks. The data divulged could include customer IP addresses, email headers, timestamps and other metadata that amount to "indicators" of a particular threat -- but also amount to too much personal information in the eyes of privacy advocates.

Civil rights groups generally oppose the cyber information-sharing legislation for this reason. And they have consistently depicted suspicious activity reporting as a tactic that nets more innocents than terrorist leads. In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union sued the government, arguing the program places people on watchlists for merely taking photos of tourist sites and other harmless behavior.

A 'Flood of Useless Information?'

According to a September 2015 DNI Information Sharing Environment report to Congress, there is a greater need to use tools for sharing cyber information across institutions as malicious digital activity increases. "One such tool is the Cyber Integration for Fusion Centers," a guidebook released in May for state intelligence facilities on how to characterize cyber threats while still protecting privacy.

At fusion centers, cyber information consists of indicators, IP addresses, domains, aliases, and file hashes, according to the guidelines.

Whether a particular cyber suspicious activity report “is linked to terrorism and subject to being shared," depends on how analysts apply their training, the strategy states. Factors that need to be considered in making that call include the targeted IT infrastructure, likely consequences and historical background.

Decisionmaking also takes into account civil liberties.

"The same privacy policies that govern information sharing against terrorism -- work for cybersecurity-related information sharing," Paul said. "That's a big win for transparency" because the rules have been in place for years, and "analysts, operators, and investigators are trained on them. There’re compliance audits and performance metrics."

But ACLU officials seem unconvinced that suspicious cyber reporting will preserve constitutional rights.

“The low threshold for reporting SARs that let loose a flood of useless information on innocent or First Amendment-protected conduct will also result in the reporting of cyber activity that is either innocuous or protected,” said Hugh Handeyside, staff attorney for the ACLU National Security Project. “The targets of those SARs will likely be subject to intrusive surveillance and monitoring, even if the government lacks reasonable suspicion that they are involved in any criminal activity.”


The new tool offers a three-page instruction sheet on how to label the severity of cyberspace incidents.

Some of the directions:

A "significant incident" would be a situation likely to impact public safety, national security, economic security, foreign relations, privacy or public confidence. An "emergency incident" would pose an "imminent threat" to large-scale critical infrastructure, the stability of the U.S. government, or people's lives.
If the target of the threat is a small business, that episode would rank as a low-security level situation, whereas a hack aimed at a United Nations special event would be a high-security level episode.
The defacing of a website or knocking a website offline with a denial of service attack would be of lower consequence than a hack that inflicts damage on the real word or steals data.
Foreign policy issues factor into the description of the attacker. If it is an ally who is compromising U.S. information, that intruder would be called a low-threat actor. A dramatic change in a foreign country's intentions would be considered a high-threat adversary.


http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2015/09/suspicious-activity-files-now-document-instances-creepy-internet-behavior/122414/


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Why is president Bush doing this to us, in 2015?

3531  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New York Post: Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database on: October 01, 2015, 04:12:49 PM
The Post is below a rag as a source of news. But, if Obama is collecting a database, it is to counteract the database the GOP has been creating since at least 2000. I've received at least 5 questionnaires and my primary voting record is online.


So to counter the evil GOP you need to be more evil?

3532  Other / Politics & Society / Re: GAY MEN WANT KIM DAVIS BACK IN JAIL on: October 01, 2015, 04:10:57 PM

So does State trump Federal when you want it to (weed) but Federal trumps State when you want that to (Marriage)?

Yes. If the feds were to say same sex marriage is not okay, and states did it anyway, I would support that as well. That's because I support basic civil rights for human beings, marriage is one of them.

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that's some screwed up thinking there.   Really there are no principles involved here at are, are there?  It's all about I want what I want and it's my right to get it my way and screw you.  I am able to change my opinion here if you can present a logical method to show why your approach doesn't just mean no principles, and no rule of law.

Yes, supporting giving people their rights back is horrible of me.
Look can we just have some honesty here?

You see something okay in Fed enforcing the marriage thing, but not in them enforcing the weed law?  

So who gets to pick and choose when and to whom to apply "law" to?

Leaving aside for the moment that this constitutes the very reverse of law, who?

No hiding behind vague slogans please.

What's wrong with the current system? If you are trying to convince me that states should have final say no matter what, you won't. The history of civil rights abuses have proven it to not be the best method.  

You say that you want me to be honest and stop hiding behind slogans, while at the same time ignoring my comments, and trying to bait me into a states rights debate that's been had millions of times, so you can hide behind your slogan of states rights. Civil rights>state's rights.


So does State trump Federal when you want it to (weed) but Federal trumps State when you want that to (Marriage)?

Yes. If the feds were to say same sex marriage is not okay, and states did it anyway, I would support that as well. That's because I support basic civil rights for human beings, marriage is one of them.

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that's some screwed up thinking there.   Really there are no principles involved here at are, are there?  It's all about I want what I want and it's my right to get it my way and screw you.  I am able to change my opinion here if you can present a logical method to show why your approach doesn't just mean no principles, and no rule of law.

Yes, supporting giving people their rights back is horrible of me.


Then... The gays has no rights to force her to re-sign a document that is perfectly legal, and already signed and 100% valid. Would you agree with that?




Somewhat, but they do have a legitimate bone to pick in that they are being given "special" licenses. Seems like a scarlet letter to me. I'll leave that to the courts to decide.


You can't even logically process your own bias. The court said the paper signed was valid. "Bone picking" has nothing to do with it, unless it was a political move by the gay couple, not based on #lovewins. There is no need to go any further. They are married. The Scarlet Letter will be on the face of the gay couple forever because they wrote that Scarlet Letter themselves, accepting to be a farce for all the world to see, a martyr for others like them to be free from people like davis, and send her to jail.

They should accept their martyrdom fully and be happy, forever and never.


3533  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: October 01, 2015, 03:50:20 PM



Russian Hackers Tried 5 Times to Break Into Hillary’s Home Server



Russia-linked hackers tried at least five times to pry into Hillary Rodham Clinton's private email account while she was US secretary of state, emails released Wednesday show.

It is unclear, however, if she clicked on any attachment and exposed her account.

Clinton received the infected emails, disguised as speeding tickets, over four hours early on the morning of August 3, 2011.

The emails instructed recipients to print the attached tickets, which would have allowed hackers to take control of their computers.

Security researchers who analyzed the malicious software in September 2011 said that infected computers would transmit information from victims to at least three server computers overseas, including one in Russia.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Russian intelligence or citizens were responsible.

Clinton has said repeatedly that the unusual homebrew server she used was secure.

But the phishing attempts highlight the risk of Clinton's unsecure email being pried open by foreign intelligence agencies, even if others also received the virus concealed as a speeding ticket from Chatham, New York. The email misspelled the name of the city, came from a supposed New York City government account and contained a "Ticket.zip" file that would have been a red flag.

Most commercial antivirus software at the time would have detected the software, identified it as dangerous and prevented users from infecting themselves. It was unclear if the State Department's network security would have flagged the infected message, or what precautions were in place protecting Clinton's server in the basement of her home in Chappaqua.


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-linked-hackers-tried-to-break-in-5-times-into-hillary-clintons-private-server-2015-9


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"Most of the world did not know the server existed until a few months ago.
The Russians knew about it."




3534  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: October 01, 2015, 03:26:11 AM
No I don't think so, Hillary Clinton is not trustworthy at all. There are so many scandals around right now, with the emails, the donations, the spending. People have lost the trust and i don't think that there are huge followers of her now, they are reduced. No matter what her polices are, she is not trustworthy enough.

Biden is getting ready, with his black VP...


3535  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: October 01, 2015, 03:23:30 AM
Allright, now you are losing me. There are no conspiracies, if they are, they are about making money and gain power, that's it (I make it sound so small hehe!). There's no evil masterplan of evil lizards controlling the world. This is the old discussion between 1984 and Brave New World. To me after Nazi Germany and Communism, 1984 is not possible, at least in our age. Brave New World on the other hand is actually the world where we live in right now, and in many years when ethical taboos about genetics and medicine start to crumble we'll actually order perfect babies, have perfect drugs and sex to finally die perfect deaths. And the moral of the story is of course, we the people wanted this, it was not forced upon us by some evil corporations.

Bitcoin is a great technology, with the potential of being the new Internet and redefine our economic system. But concentration of power and regulations are still needed, like we need other things that are "bad" on the surface, they are necessary evils. Oil companies are not developing electric cars not because they are evil, it's because they are EXPENSIVE to produce! When the technologies is there, they will be the first to jump onboard because these are people in positions of power. But it's just not profitable yet and oil is still cheap.

I really understand your position, it's not wrong at all but it's thinking way ahead where our most important problems as humans are gone. We'll be free of many of these issues when money, food and energy become non-factors. Maybe we can see it before we die, who knows, a new technology or alternative energy is found and the world changes, we are living in an era of great development that's for sure.



http://www.businessballs.com/nudge-theory.htm

The concentration of power, if it is totally opaque, is not needed and should be rejected.

3536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: October 01, 2015, 02:57:45 AM



Trey Gowdy Wipes The Smile Off The Face Of Smug Cecile Richards…


Cecile Richards did her best to defend the baby chop shop known as Planned Parenthood, until she ran into the buzz saw known as Trey Gowdy.

The Planned Parenthood president appeared before Congress Tuesday to put the best face possible on her organization after the release of undercover videos showing the group selling body parts of aborted babies, but she was tripping over her words when Gowdy got her on the ropes.

In trademark Gowdy style, the South Carolina Republican attempted to make Richards understand why some people oppose Planned Parenthood’s continued killing of unborn babies, but Richards was smug and defiant.

Until one exchange when she said, with a smile, “We don’t believe that women’s health or women’s rights should be a partisan issue.”

“And we don’t think eating dinner salads and drinking wine while you’re discussing infanticide…we have a problem with that too,” Gowdy fired back, wiping the smile off of her face.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=338&v=A692pkR5jI4


3537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: September 30, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Please don't get me wrong, your position is the correct one, the wise one and it's the way it should be. But it's like saying we should make people care about climate change. They care a little, like when Snowden put his life on the line for and thought he was saving the world. Fifteen minutes later everybody was watching something else or booking a trip to the other side of the world. Nobody cares, life's too short and privacy doesn't matter because most people doesn't matter, not in terms of human values, but in terms of what they do and produce.

A dentist or a plumber, do they really have some amazing inherent information value besides what products can you sell them? They don't and so they don't matter, and they don't care.

If a dentist kills a lion the whole world cares. Instantly. Then forget about it. Instantly. Until the next crisis. How come snowden is not the lion? You are talking about Global Warming. You seem to know about adobe products and designing. For one straight week seek what you've learn to be the signs of propaganda. If you see none then good for you. If you see some but you believe this is propaganda for a good cause, then you are a product. The mass is fed with numbing, stupid, useless stories via facebook or a twitter feed. People with an independent mind can sort it out. This is why Counter-current swimming is hard. But when you give up, you become a product.


That's the point actually, I'm no stranger to swimming against the current...and you won't succeed. This is not to say one should give up, it's just acknowledging the fact that the current goes one way because it's supposed to. We can change only so much at once, if you know history it's very clear, revolutions are always needed but they don't change intrinsic human nature, and most just fail.

The dentist did indeed killed a lion, did Facebook/Google actually sold the photo to the media or to sell ads for Peta? There's not a single evidence of any of these companies not respecting their customers privacy, it will be their instant downfall. If the dentist had this trophy photo with the lion in a private album or google drive and the company leaked it or sold it, then the public will react accordingly, I don't have any doubts. Just look what happened to Volkswagen when there is dishonesty. But that didn't happen, so this thread is like conspiracy theorists saying the government wants to enslave you and kill you (that's actually quite accurate if you think about it though haha).


Start watching @51 min for around 10, 15min
https://youtu.be/aA5yGJ4Rj-g?t=51m6s

Never give up.

3538  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Google Is the New Evil Empire on: September 30, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
Please don't get me wrong, your position is the correct one, the wise one and it's the way it should be. But it's like saying we should make people care about climate change. They care a little, like when Snowden put his life on the line for and thought he was saving the world. Fifteen minutes later everybody was watching something else or booking a trip to the other side of the world. Nobody cares, life's too short and privacy doesn't matter because most people doesn't matter, not in terms of human values, but in terms of what they do and produce.

A dentist or a plumber, do they really have some amazing inherent information value besides what products can you sell them? They don't and so they don't matter, and they don't care.

If a dentist kills a lion the whole world cares. Instantly. Then forget about it. Instantly. Until the next crisis. How come snowden is not the lion? You are talking about Global Warming. You seem to know about adobe products and designing. For one straight week seek what you've learn to be the signs of propaganda. If you see none then good for you. If you see some but you believe this is propaganda for a good cause, then you are a product. The mass is fed with numbing, stupid, useless stories via facebook or a twitter feed. People with an independent mind can sort it out. This is why Counter-current swimming is hard. But when you give up, you become a product.


That's the point actually, I'm no stranger to swimming against the current...and you won't succeed. This is not to say one should give up, it's just acknowledging the fact that the current goes one way because it's supposed to. We can change only so much at once, if you know history it's very clear, revolutions are always needed but they don't change intrinsic human nature, and most just fail.

The dentist did indeed killed a lion, did Facebook/Google actually sold the photo to the media or to sell ads for Peta? There's not a single evidence of any of these companies not respecting their customers privacy, it will be their instant downfall. If the dentist had this trophy photo with the lion in a private album or google drive and the company leaked it or sold it, then the public will react accordingly, I don't have any doubts. Just look what happened to Volkswagen when there is dishonesty. But that didn't happen, so this thread is like conspiracy theorists saying the government wants to enslave you and kill you (that's actually quite accurate if you think about it though haha).

Sounds like I should keep this thread up to date for a little while then...

 Cheesy


3539  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 30, 2015, 09:21:58 PM



This Weird Fact About the Clinton Family Fortune Will Blow Your Mind


Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill Clinton are very rich, raking in some $25 million in 2014. They own multiple mansions. They vacation in style. They make 4-5 times the median annual income for giving one speech to a room full of Wall Street executives and/or brutal dictators. Since they left the White House “dead broke” in 2001, they’ve pocketed more than $200 million. But at least some of that massive haul is unaccounted for in their annual financial disclosure, raising some interesting questions, such as, “Where is it?”

Dan Alexander explains in Forbes:

Since Bill and Hillary Clinton left the White House in 2001, they have earned more than $230 million. But in federal filings the Clintons claim they are worth somewhere between $11 million and $53 million. After layering years of disclosures on top of annual tax returns, Forbes estimates their combined net worth at $45 million. Where did all of the money go? No one seems to know, and the Clintons aren’t offering any answers.

From 2001 to 2014 the power couple spent $95 million on taxes. Hillary’s 2008 presidential run cost her $13 million. Their two homes cost a combined $5 million, and the Clintons have given away $22 million to charity. All of this is according to FEC filings, property records and years of tax returns. Add it up and you get $135 million. If the Clintons made $230 million, spent $135 million and have just $45 million left over, what happened to the other $50 million?

“That’s kind of strange,” says Joe Biden’s accountant, Walter Deyhle. “You have to report all of your assets. You have to report assets that are owned by your spouse.”


Where’s the missing $50 million? Who knows? One assumes that Bill wasn’t getting a gentleman’s discount on his trips aboard “The Lolita Express” and “Air F**k One,” as well as his stays on “Orgy Island” with billionaire donor and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Alexander offers one possible, if “unlikely” explanation:

It seems unlikely, but they could have given it away overseas: Donations to foreign charities are not deductible and would not be listed on tax returns. Billionaires like Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, Lakshmi Mittal of India and Joseph Safra of Brazil have donated to their foundation. Maybe the Clintons are returning the favor?

$50 million seems like a lot to pay off Clinton aides like Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, who may soon be thrown under Hillary’s email bus. Could money convince Joe Biden not to run? Maybe they gave some of it to their daughter Chelsea? She’s already rich, but her husband is really bad at managing hedge funds.

Show us the money.


http://freebeacon.com/blog/this-weird-fact-about-the-clinton-family-fortune-will-blow-your-mind/


3540  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: September 30, 2015, 09:07:01 PM



All Those Climate Change Pledges Are A Farce, New York Times Says


After decades spent playing up the dangers of a warming planet, the New York Times admits that even if every country lived up to their current carbon reduction pledges, it won't make any difference.

Pointing to a "new analysis,' the Times notes that the planet would still heat up by 6 degrees Fahrenheit, which is too high to prevent global catastrophes from raining down.

The analysis comes from Climate Interactive, which is the source of carbon calculations used by the U.S. and other governments. It concluded the current pledges — made in advance of the big Paris conference on climate change — would reduce the expected global warming to 6.3 degrees, from 8.1 degrees that would occur without those pledges.

Keep in mind that climate scientists say that any warming above 3.6 degrees will be really, really bad. (Some even say this threshold is too high.)


So what's the point? Why should countries undertake a hugely expensive effort to reduce carbon emissions, when the climate scientists themselves are saying it won't do any good? Because they want to feel better about themselves? Get some good headlines?

Some might argue that taking this first step could lead to many more, which could produce still more CO2 reductions down the road.

But that, too, ignores an inconvenient fact that President Obama, Al Gore and everyone else proselytizing against fossil fuels won't admit. If climate scientists are right, keeping the global temperature increase under 3.6 degrees will require the entire planet to go completely carbon free in about 60 years, something nobody is proposing to do, or say what it would entail.

And after that, we'd need to be removing massive amounts of carbon from the atmosphere each year, something nobody has a clue how to accomplish.

Of course, it's also possible that the climate scientists are wrong, both about future warming and about the harm it will cause, and we don't need to worry about CO2 at all.

Either way, all those pledges to cut carbon emissions would be pointless.

Feel-good policies that do nothing but massively raise costs and kill jobs aren't something to be celebrated. Nor should the leaders who propose them.


http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/092815-773048-climate-change-pledges-made-so-far-wont-stop-global-warming.htm





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