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3521  Economy / Speculation / second half of november was definately a bloodbath for bitcoin 2k usd loss on: December 03, 2018, 02:30:28 AM
per bitcoin thats almost 30% no way there will be a revival of that, the market is decentralising again but this time away from bitcoin

regards
3522  Economy / Speculation / Re: "Buy the dip" is only a strategy for losers on: December 03, 2018, 12:26:08 AM
they all say buy the dip because they want more rats to join their ponzi scheme so it becomes so huge in its size that it cannot be stopped. they try to achieve a selffulfilling prophecy thats why the bitcoin cult hates altcoins because they drive attention away from them, its a nightmare dealing with those people, its an even bigger nightmare liking them. its just a miner cult that tries to market their blockchain token, that is being taken to serious.
3523  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: buterin denounces bitcoinmaximalismus on: December 03, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
die zweite hälfte von november sind ein massives blutbad für euren angebeteten bitcoin geworden, anstatt der bitcoin wird ende 2018 eine million usd kosten wird bitcoin ende 2018 die 3k linie anpeilen
3524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 03, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
If you bought the $5500 dip and the price would have gone back over $6000 directly people would congratulate you. Now the price has gone down well below that level, they make fun of those who bought that dip.

Isn't it the same as what happened last year? People right now literally make fun of those who bought the top, while back then it could have pumped over $50,000 without much problems.

The way the price kept going up continuously last year makes going from $20,000 to $50,000 a piece of cake. People didn't only held their coins firmly, but they bought more to book more profits while the price keeps increasing.

well if the price returns to 6k what no one believes, he could have bought at the 4k dip instead of the 5.5k dipp.

problem is that we point out here the complete worthlessness of human information in this market, because everything is agenda and interest driven so no point taking it serious,

i saw a cryptomagazine today that calls itself "sludgefeed" well there is a lot of truth to that.

bitcoin wont go back to 20k it will not even return to 5k anymore.
Why not? if only back to $ 5k it seems very likely, but if it doesn't happen until the end of this month, it's likely that the price of bitcoin will continue to decline because of the loss of investor confidence in it, and the strong influence of the government of the world impressed so aggressively to drop crypto

world drops bitcoin but not crypto. governments get under pressure by bitcoin and crypto as well, they effectivly are becomming communists.

its good if bitcoin drops down, but we will get a tower of babel.

I always thought crypto people were against the government and it's endless bs. Crypto is freedom so I don't really understand. We should all just use crypto we invented it, it is ours.
The government can piss off. But now there is all this KYC bs it irritates me so much. When will they ask for finger print and DNA. Your privacy is invaded more and more each day.
Let's just see how bitcoin performs. Noone knows that's why it's so exciting.

i doubt you will love the freedom of crypto, besides talking about crypto excludes bitcoin, bitcoin is not crypto, altcoins are crypto bitcoin wants to become the worlds dominant world reserve currency so nope its not crypto and its not an altcoins its just a fanatic pow sect.
3525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 11:44:59 PM
If you bought the $5500 dip and the price would have gone back over $6000 directly people would congratulate you. Now the price has gone down well below that level, they make fun of those who bought that dip.

Isn't it the same as what happened last year? People right now literally make fun of those who bought the top, while back then it could have pumped over $50,000 without much problems.

The way the price kept going up continuously last year makes going from $20,000 to $50,000 a piece of cake. People didn't only held their coins firmly, but they bought more to book more profits while the price keeps increasing.

well if the price returns to 6k what no one believes, he could have bought at the 4k dip instead of the 5.5k dipp.

problem is that we point out here the complete worthlessness of human information in this market, because everything is agenda and interest driven so no point taking it serious,

i saw a cryptomagazine today that calls itself "sludgefeed" well there is a lot of truth to that.

bitcoin wont go back to 20k it will not even return to 5k anymore.
Why not? if only back to $ 5k it seems very likely, but if it doesn't happen until the end of this month, it's likely that the price of bitcoin will continue to decline because of the loss of investor confidence in it, and the strong influence of the government of the world impressed so aggressively to drop crypto

world drops bitcoin but not crypto. governments get under pressure by bitcoin and crypto as well, they effectivly are becomming communists.

its good if bitcoin drops down, but we will get a tower of babel.
3526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hello cryptoworld after few months and bitcoin price is around $4000(!) on: December 02, 2018, 11:04:32 PM
Earlier this year people thought Bitcoin price is going to cross $25k or even $50k. Now the price dropped around $4k. I guess few days ago I saw the price was around $3500. Which direction we are going by the way?

trust me we will see the price below 1k again
3527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 10:56:16 PM
If you bought the $5500 dip and the price would have gone back over $6000 directly people would congratulate you. Now the price has gone down well below that level, they make fun of those who bought that dip.

Isn't it the same as what happened last year? People right now literally make fun of those who bought the top, while back then it could have pumped over $50,000 without much problems.

The way the price kept going up continuously last year makes going from $20,000 to $50,000 a piece of cake. People didn't only held their coins firmly, but they bought more to book more profits while the price keeps increasing.

well if the price returns to 6k what no one believes, he could have bought at the 4k dip instead of the 5.5k dipp.

problem is that we point out here the complete worthlessness of human information in this market, because everything is agenda and interest driven so no point taking it serious,

i saw a cryptomagazine today that calls itself "sludgefeed" well there is a lot of truth to that.

bitcoin wont go back to 20k it will not even return to 5k anymore.
3528  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
Plenty of people simply hope in self fulfilling prophecy - they bought Bitcoin when it was up, and now they want to reassure other investors that this is 'just a dip' (and you should always buy dips, they say). The opposite is true, we have been in a bear trend for a few months and we will probably not break it soon.  

thats what i want to point out in cryptomedia there is no such thing as truth its all just agenda driven, people say stuff in order to make something being belived, not because they think it is likely or realistically they just claim it out of agenda reasons.

truth, false and wrong dont apply here like its the case in engineering or science
3529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 09:18:55 PM
No one can tell which price is dip and when will it bounce, on each low everyone goes for another low as resistance but one thing is sure that if the market goes below $3000 then we can see massive sell and the price will move below $2000 very easily and then the market will take lot of time to recover. But still it will be a very good time to start buying bitcoins as after 2 or 3 years you will surely see a very good price and good profit.

i wouldn't say "market" i would rather use the term "social support"
3530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
The real dip is at $2k.

People have been calling the dip whenever the price drops %10-20 because they were hoping that this time it is going to recover, when they realize they were wrong, they call the dip next time. What they don't realize is, there isn't a shortage of dips in a bear market. (Unless it is $2k:))

If we go below $2k and stay there for more than a month however, now you can freely say "bitcoin is dead"

Not saying it can't be revived in the future but staying for a month or two below $2k means It is pretty much dead which is why it is probably not going to happen.

Bitcoin won't die before USD dies. USD will die long before bitcoin.

Marketcap of bitcoin is tiny compared to how much USD was printed by the fed.

$72bn only. We are still at the beginning of the history. At this point bitcoin is no bigger than a mid size company.

thats true american banking cartel is truly big gambling garbage.

if bitcoin would be traded with euro everything would have been much thougher, and banksters would suffer much more trust loss

but entire discussion weather dip or nor is complete garbage and should better be ignored.
3531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / look at this article bitcoin at 5.5k and they still called it a "dip" on: December 02, 2018, 08:07:08 PM
https://www.cryptolinenews.com/2018/11/crypto-investors/

in this article they called bitcoin being in a dip while it was at 5.5k there are no reasonable analysis or recommendetions here is all purely agenda driven, so there is no reasoning possible.

they will always call it a dip or bear market and never even consider it being a collapse or trend change.

those that belived those crappy articles and recommendations lost almost 30% value till today, within just 2 weeks

regards
3532  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Vertriebs und Vertrauenskrise der Bankenkartelle spitzt sich weiter zu. on: December 02, 2018, 07:57:00 PM
Keiner verschenkt Geld gratis.  Wink

was sind dann die ganzen airdrops hier?

klar wird geld auch gratis verschenkt.
Airdrops sind meistenst nicht gratis, weil man dafür in der Regel etwas machen muss. Sei es einen Beitrag zu liken oder seine Mail anzugeben. Die Daten werden dann gesammelt und verwertet. Gratis sind Airdrops also meist nicht, höchstens Fork-Coins oder wenn sie so auf die wallet kommen.

Und im Allgemeinen geht der Wert der meisten Airdrops sowieso gegen null.  Wink

da kann man aber auch sonst was angeben,

und von (wert) haben wir hier nicht gesprochen sondern nur von (geld)

Ps: mein geld gibts tatsächlich nicht umsonst, daher hab ich auch wertstabilität. trotz bärenmarkt
3533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How the bankers make billions with the Bitcoin crash.. this i want to discuss on: December 02, 2018, 04:16:19 AM

Hello everybody!

In the end, it was the bankers who pulled us over the barrel.

https://medium.com/@TokrexOrg_42680/how-the-bankers-make-billions-with-the-bitcoin-crash-d702be198471

Look at that..

bankers are doomed it doesnt matter weather bitcoin is successful or not
3534  Economy / Speculation / Re: HODL'ers lose. That is no surprise on: December 02, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
That is because the masses started to say "HODL" when the prices were extremely expensive, when bitcoin was higher than $10,000

That is a shame, and i am sorry for all those that bought higher than those ranges, but what are we going to do? just hold.

There is no reason to sell at a 50%, 80% loss from what you bought

That is the truth



There are two principal schools here,

1.) old-skool, we got our btc for free 2009->2013, I concur if you don't care about money, there is no point to sell, HODL on until you die, ... Smiley

2.) new-skool, post 2014 get rich quick criminal types, and exchanges, ... came to bitcoin and pumped&dumped and in 2017 it went to the moon, since these newbs ONLY cared about money, and they didn't have any money, well they bought BTC on credit card, since their game was to make money HODL is the worst possible decision they could have made,

Old skool types were employed scientists and such, had a good job, and are not motivated to 'speculate'

The new skool types are largely uneducated morons, and they were speculators, and they should have followed the tried and true basis of speculation which is ...

1.) buy-low, sell-high
2.) cut your losses ( avoid gamblers ruin problem )
3.) let your profits run, but always take your profits, always remove money from the table before you go to sleep

HODL is the worst thing you can tell a moron to do, sadly it goes both ways the majority criminals that now control and operate bitcoin, know exactly what they're doing by telling morons to BUY&HOLD



people hold money because money is being distributed by a capitalist that builds something, they support capitalists like state bankers because they do investments into good things.
3535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why HODLers now pray for banks and institutions to enter if Bitcoin... on: December 02, 2018, 02:02:53 AM
i am pretty sure the "bloodbath" for the bitcoin hodlers will get bloodier and bloodier
3536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should US police be abolished and replaced with systems that provide safety? on: December 01, 2018, 10:38:01 PM
The idea is not that we should just abolish police and leave a void in the system but that we should reform police so drastically that they are no longer anything like what we previously recognized as police.  So you could call it abolition or reform but radical change is the end.

 Since the corruption of police is linked to the retributive justice system, they must both be abolished and replaced together.

The idea stems from two common grievances:

1. The goal of police should be to increase public safety

- Police have not done this, in fact, crime is high despite massive police spending and presence.  Police have turned into an organization that manufactures criminals and feed them to a justice system that manufactures criminality. Basic life activities have been criminalized for the sake of providing criminals for police to feed to the prison system.  Meanwhile, violent crimes often go unsolved.   Police do not achieve the goal they were made for.  


2. The role of police should be to serve and protect citizens


- Police do not fill this role.  Instead, police have taken a role of authority over the people.  People are expected to respect and obey police when the role was meant to be the opposite.  We have become a police state where people live under fear of constant oppression by the police.  Specifically, black, native, latinx, and LGBTQ people who are disproportionately manufactured into criminals.  

3. The role of prisons should be to reduce criminality

-If our prisons were fulfilling their role, we would have the safest society in human history because we lock up the more people than any society in human history.  We don't.  The prisons have become breeding grounds for criminality.  Innocent people go to prison and come out hardened criminals.  Prison conditions tiptoe on the edge of human rights abuses and make little effort to rehabilitate these people into productive citizens.  If prisons are doing the opposite of what they are meant to do, it seems like an easy decision to abolish them and replace them with something that can fill the role.  

Abolitionists often propose two concepts to replace our retributive justice system.  


1. Restorative justice asks these important questions when a crime has been committed

Who has been hurt & what are their needs?
Who is obligated to address these needs?
Who has a “stake” in this situation & what is the process to involve them in making things right and preventing future occurrences?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N3LihLvfa0

2. Transformative justice asks these important questions when a crime has been committed

What social circumstances promoted the harmful behavior?
What structural similarities exist between this incident and others like it?
What measures could prevent future occurrences?

Restorative justice takes place between the offender and the victim and attempts to "restore" conditions back to the way they were before the crime was committed.

Transformative justice is carried out by community leaders and the community at large and attempts to "transform" society into a society where the root causes of the crime no longer exist.  

People often wonder, "without the police, wouldn't there just be chaos?" but restorative and transformative justice strategies off a path to create a society where police are no longer needed.  



lol you dont know whats going to happen if they use mercenaries right?
3537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rothschild & Co selling trust business on: December 01, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
The rumor is their cartel is finally being cracked and they are being forced to liquidate their holdings.

jep exactly the rothschild banking cartel, with those national gays that basically controlled all countries media, and financial system, is collapsing, they know there will be a tower of babel comming after that.
3538  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: jetzt gehts eurem bitcoin an den kragen on: December 01, 2018, 09:55:32 PM
Der Tweet ist doch von November 2014... und der Link dahinter lässt sich nicht öffnen.
Denke fast diese Info ist aktuell eher zu vernachlässigen Grin

das kamm gestern in die nachrichten bei ccn auf die hauptseite... während vitaliks ehrendoktorwürde verleihung in der schweiz

hab gedacht das ist aktuell, hab mich dan wohl geirrt.

Hey, also du hast uns vorhin versprochen das es vorbei wäre und mit einer Nachricht von vor 3 Jahren, also tu ich so als hättest du das Ganze vor 3 Jahren gepostet und wo stehen wir heute?  Grin Grin Grin Zwar fett im minus im Gegensatz zum letzten Jahr aber dennoch stehen wir glaube ich im 3 Jahresvergleich doch schon ein klein wenig im Plus...

ihr werden mit eurem bitcoin weiter ins minus gehen. du must mal die ganze ressourcen verschwendung gegenrechnen, dann ists auch im zehnjahresvergleich ein minus crypto allgemein wird wachsen aber nicht bitcoin

Hmm, resourcen Verschwendung, hmmm... 80% der verbrauchten Energie kommt Schätzungsweise aus erneuerbaren Energien, denke da hinkt das "normale" Finanzsystem deutlich hinterher...
Bleibt also der Elektroschrott sprich ausrangierte Miner... man gut das Banken ihre Rechner auch nie erneuern...  Roll Eyes

aber hey, keep hating... zur not gibts ignore... Wink

ohm ja sind trotzdem opportunitiätskosten, die ganzen ressourcen hätten auch in was besseres investiert werden können

ich tu gar nicht haten ich schau der entwicklung nur gemütlich zu,

du kannst den preisverfall von bitcoin nicht mit ignore funktionen beenden, kannst blos dich in so sekten zusammenschließen.
3539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How the bankers make billions with the Bitcoin crash.. this i want to discuss on: December 01, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
I think that bankers and some brokers have certain influence over the prices for crypto currency. They could make so that prices dropped down. There is also an opinion that all large banks are regulated by people in an organized way


banksters are idiots they constantly just gamble with money, its time to get rid of them, they certainly have rather caused bitcoins spike rather then the drop.
3540  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: jetzt gehts eurem bitcoin an den kragen on: December 01, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
Der Tweet ist doch von November 2014... und der Link dahinter lässt sich nicht öffnen.
Denke fast diese Info ist aktuell eher zu vernachlässigen Grin

das kamm gestern in die nachrichten bei ccn auf die hauptseite... während vitaliks ehrendoktorwürde verleihung in der schweiz

hab gedacht das ist aktuell, hab mich dan wohl geirrt.

Hey, also du hast uns vorhin versprochen das es vorbei wäre und mit einer Nachricht von vor 3 Jahren, also tu ich so als hättest du das Ganze vor 3 Jahren gepostet und wo stehen wir heute?  Grin Grin Grin Zwar fett im minus im Gegensatz zum letzten Jahr aber dennoch stehen wir glaube ich im 3 Jahresvergleich doch schon ein klein wenig im Plus...

ihr werden mit eurem bitcoin weiter ins minus gehen. du must mal die ganze ressourcen verschwendung gegenrechnen, dann ists auch im zehnjahresvergleich ein minus crypto allgemein wird wachsen aber nicht bitcoin
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