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3541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
the price is dropping hard once again i think that it means that after some time it will reach huge heights

Wow dude, what a reasonning! "After the rain comes the sun".

Thanks M. Lapalisse xD

Anyway, time to buy is near!
3542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Chess forbidden in Islam, rules Saudi mufti, but issue not black and white on: January 22, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

I think that it might also be simply because that's something close to distraction. And they don't want anyone to be distracted from God :/

But yeah result is the same. Chess is not important by itself. But I bet they ban everything developping your mind... That's what happens with religions...
3543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 06:01:08 PM

Well if soldiers and cops don't have guns... They're useless, a soldier without a weapon has no reason to be called a soldier. Just get them out.

There might also be a middle between "everyone can  buy an AK-47" and "no one can be armed, not even soldiers"...

When policy-makers can rely exclusively on a monopolization of force, the policies they make tend to leverage this advantage eventually.  One need not be a raving paranoid to look with discomfort at a society which is rapidly expanding a heavily armed domestic paramilitary while simultaneously dis-arming civilians as fast as possible in spite of the social strain that the project entails and the statistically insignificant nature of problems that the action claims to address.

I, for one, do not believe in the 'American exceptionalism' and certainly not that such a thing gives us a magic shield against the types of misfortune that have befallen the Soviets under Stalin, the Chinese under Mao, the Cambodians under Pot, etc.  For my part, if I had to choose between a civil war and a totalitarian dictatorship, I would consider the first to be the lesser of two evils and a tunnel which has light at it's end.  A realistic balance of power seems to me the best way to avoid having to make that choice at all.

And in a more here-and-now sort of a way, communities like mine are kept remarkably peaceful by citizens having the ability to protect themselves.  The minimal levels of state sponsored law enforcement serve a back-office function of dealing with criminals when time is not a factor while the front-line duties are handled quite effectively by law abiding citizens.  It is very efficient and works quite well.



I understand and respect your point of view. But you seem to forget one thing: no matter the example you take, shall it be Hitler, Staline or Polpot, the population had the chance to change things before it became a dictatorship.

Police officers and soldiers are part of the population too. One can not simply take over a country without the support of the population. Germany and Sovietic Russia or Mao China were horrible yes, but the three leader had a lot of support from their more or less brainwashed population.

So guns wouldn't matter here, if people had guns, they wouldn't have turned them against their government.

You see, I perticulary understand what you're saying as France is becoming closer and closer to a dictatorship.... First minister announced that the State of Emergency, giving much more power to the government (a bit like the Patriot Act which is something unbelievable here in France) will go on for a few month more, whereas the ending date was February.
But the fact is that... Even if we all had gun it wouldn't change a thing! Because most of people agree with the State of Emergency! So they wouldn't fight the government but support it!

As you said, an armed population in case of a huge governmental crisis leads to civil war. I prefer to believe in the democratic principles, saying that if more than half of the population wants it, they have the right to do it.
3544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you support or oppose the death penalty? on: January 22, 2016, 04:03:07 PM

People all over the world are taking other peoples lives so they should be punished and have to go through the trauma their victims did! Why do people think it's acceptable to murder someone? I only think the death penalty should be brought on the worst crimes such as murder. If a man has taken the life of another man then he deserves death.

What about medical malpractice or medical error even? Do you think the person who mistakenly took someone's life still deserves the death penalty? What about road traffic accidents? Does a policeman or a sooldier deserves the death penalty if he took a life?

This is a very complex question and I voted NO, because I think it is better to let a murderer to live in some cases than occasionally kill innocent people.


Don't immediately turn off your mind because I mention "Bible," but the solution in the Old Testament was to have several cities that were designated for people to be sent to if they had committed accidental death of someone. They were not allowed to leave the city for an average of 25 years.

The cities were not prisons. They were entirely free within the city walls. But certainly the regular people within those cities were prepared to test out any newcomers to find out if those newcomers were really murderers, or if they were simply victims of circumstance.

Smiley

Great idea. You never cease to amaze me. Let's do this  Roll Eyes

And why in Earth would they stay in this city?

Execution if they left the city before the term set for them was over. Probably there were a few who went outside and were never executed alive. Probably there were some who remained in, and were found to be murderers later, and were executed.

Smiley

So... A wall around the city and guardians killing the ones who dare to escape...

Dude, doesn't it really sound like a hardcore prison to you? xD
3545  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 22, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Maybe because religious people hate them?
Because they say you are bad person and will burn in hell if you don't worship god?
Even if god is real he is selfish asshole because if you don't pray for him everyday he hates you.

I accept warning. Why not warn people when they are headed for Hell? You don't want them to burn, do you?

Don't you have any pleasure in life at all?

If you lose an arm in a car accident, where can you get another? Nowhere. God gave you your arms and hands for free. Is this what an asshole does?

You think God is an asshole? If somebody calls you an asshole, do you like that person? Maybe you have trouble in life because you call God an asshole. I mean, He feels hurt when you call Him and asshole just like you do when somebody calls you an asshole.

However, aren't you a little bit scared to set yourself against God? I mean, it is God that holds you alive. Aren't you scared when you try to fight Him... at least a little?

Smiley

Ok which God should I worship? The Christian one? The Muslim one? The Jewish one?

Cause you're all saying the same thing...
3546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 22, 2016, 03:22:54 PM

You asked me to define some words. I did that for you. Were you going anywhere with that, or do you just enjoy asking people to define words for you?

That's not a point.


What's the point you are trying to make?

Maybe I can help you.


Best regards.


Best regards.

You can help me by telling me why you asked me to define "loving" and then "love" for you.



That's a point.


Best regards.


Question: Why did you ask me to define "loving" and then "love" for you?
Answer: That's a point. Best regards.

Can anyone decipher this for me?


Yes easy; He's a stupid asshole too full of himself to even think about what you're saying.
3547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 03:19:59 PM
in my opinion, i prefer the citizens not allowed to own gun

because a lot of accident has occured because of the gun, there is a teenager stealing her father's gun and then shoot somebody

there is a gang robbery using gun, so i dont see any of advantage of owning a gun

I agree. And imagine you get robbed: the guy has a gun, so what? You're going to pull out your gun too?

and sorry about the argument "bad guys always have a gun" well... No... With good gun control you gonna see so much less armed robbery!

How are you going to force the guns out of the hands of the bad guys? You are going to use guns, right?

I suppose a mob of unarmed cops could rush a bad guy with a gun. A bunch of the cops might get killed. But they finally could wrestle the gun away from him.

If the cops are armed... well just look at all the police brutality in America alone. Google it... "police brutality" and see how many millions of hits you get. They can't all be criminals posting this stuff. So, if the police have guns, and nobody else has guns, the bad guys still have guns.

With all the guns around, and with all the knowledge about how to make guns, you will never disarm the world completely. The best bet is to arm us all so that we can protect ourselves from everyone, including the bad cops.

Smiley

Of course cops and soldiers must be armed dude...

And yes I see all the cops brutality in America... And I think (think, just an opinion here) that it's also deeply linked to gun freedom. Cops are more violent cause they feel less safer which I understand. How can a cop feel safe doing his job when every citizen might have a glock...

Why do cops and soldiers need to be armed with guns? I thought the whole idea was to feel safer. I feel a lot safer when we don't have anyone running around with guns.

All you need to do is look at what Stalin and Mao and Hitler did to their own people who didn't have guns. And what about Pol Pot and many others?

I would certainly rather have a fighting chance than not.

Smiley

Well if soldiers and cops don't have guns... They're useless, a soldier without a weapon has no reason to be called a soldier. Just get them out.

There might also be a middle between "everyone can  buy an AK-47" and "no one can be armed, not even soldiers"...
3548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Probably aprproved murder on: January 22, 2016, 02:39:54 PM
Oh the putin pr fraction is stronk in this one.

Putin is like bush just with better PR.

And most of you ppl are idiots to support him. Embarrassed

Not at all. Just saying that he's not worse than most of our Western world, exactly like you said he's just a Bush ^^
3549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Richest 62 people as wealthy as half of world's population on: January 22, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
life is not fair.
those very rich people got their money by harboring third world employees and paying them some cents. they even work on lowering the minimum wage in these countries through these corrupted governments

No of course not. They earned billions of dollars by working hard everyday! That's the American dream!  Grin

#Irony
3550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 02:35:45 PM
in my opinion, i prefer the citizens not allowed to own gun

because a lot of accident has occured because of the gun, there is a teenager stealing her father's gun and then shoot somebody

there is a gang robbery using gun, so i dont see any of advantage of owning a gun

I agree. And imagine you get robbed: the guy has a gun, so what? You're going to pull out your gun too?

and sorry about the argument "bad guys always have a gun" well... No... With good gun control you gonna see so much less armed robbery!

How are you going to force the guns out of the hands of the bad guys? You are going to use guns, right?

I suppose a mob of unarmed cops could rush a bad guy with a gun. A bunch of the cops might get killed. But they finally could wrestle the gun away from him.

If the cops are armed... well just look at all the police brutality in America alone. Google it... "police brutality" and see how many millions of hits you get. They can't all be criminals posting this stuff. So, if the police have guns, and nobody else has guns, the bad guys still have guns.

With all the guns around, and with all the knowledge about how to make guns, you will never disarm the world completely. The best bet is to arm us all so that we can protect ourselves from everyone, including the bad cops.

Smiley

Of course cops and soldiers must be armed dude...

And yes I see all the cops brutality in America... And I think (think, just an opinion here) that it's also deeply linked to gun freedom. Cops are more violent cause they feel less safer which I understand. How can a cop feel safe doing his job when every citizen might have a glock...
3551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
This descending triangle closes in few hours. Dumpage incoming

I nailed it again. Im starting to see bitcoinwisdom as neo sees throught the matrix, maybe I should start trading

Maybe you should start a twitter account so we can follow you  Grin
3552  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Richest 62 people as wealthy as half of world's population on: January 22, 2016, 12:36:17 PM
I've never used the ignore feature but damn! This thread is really better without your posts dude  Grin
3553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Probably aprproved murder on: January 22, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
Itīs easy to have double standards.

For example there is much talk about Russia having violated "international laws" by re-uniting Crimea with Russia and supporting the self-determination of people in the Donbass. Why arenīt those alleged violations brought before the international court of justice? Thatīs how it goes when laws are broken, courts of justice deal with that. But of course those here who talk about international law donīt give a flyin eff about that in their endless wars on false pretenses. They donīt care about human rights and regimes killing their own people if the scumbags belong to their team. Itīs total hypocrisy.

I guess those violations canīt be brought before a court because there isnīt any case. And besides there are tons of precedents that the defense could point to.

Yeah and even if they'd bring the case, how would they punish Russia? xD
3554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
in my opinion, i prefer the citizens not allowed to own gun

because a lot of accident has occured because of the gun, there is a teenager stealing her father's gun and then shoot somebody

there is a gang robbery using gun, so i dont see any of advantage of owning a gun

I agree. And imagine you get robbed: the guy has a gun, so what? You're going to pull out your gun too?

and sorry about the argument "bad guys always have a gun" well... No... With good gun control you gonna see so much less armed robbery!
3555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Probably aprproved murder on: January 22, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.

He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.

Maybe. Anyway, the United States government has no qualms at all about executing people here and there extra judicially by robots and the same goes for their British colleagues so itīs total hypocrisy when they accuse others of the same.

Yup. Let the CIA faces torture accusations and the NSA spying on allied nations. Then they'll have the right to say anything about other countries ethic!
3556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 10:27:11 AM

Okay.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322576.0

Hmm....

Why don't you go prattle this nonsense to those women?

Is it because they'd kick your butt?

Oh yeah! Let's make a point by taking one particular event  Roll Eyes

I could answer with Columbine but I've got a litle more respect than that.

And I'm talking about statistics. Not saying it's a eutopia, just saying that it's far less shitty than the USA  Wink

You could answer with Columbine (and effectively did), because let's remember, Columbine's resource deputy, Neil Gardner, was off school grounds, which made it safe for the mass murder there for as long as it took him to get back. Security theater coupled with rendering all guardians defenseless (who are implicitly trusted not to harm children anyway), works with brutal consequences.

The simple fact that you need resource deputies show that there is something wrong with your country man Oo
Thanks for reminding me that, I forgot how incredible it is that you actually need armed people in your school to protect your children xD

Never thought that without guns there wouldn't have been a mass murderer in the first place? At least that's the case in Europe...

Another Holocaust/democide (prerequisite: gun control) denier, I see. /ignore

That's not an answer. I don't see the link between Holocausts and gun control...
3557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Probably aprproved murder on: January 22, 2016, 10:26:21 AM
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.

He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.

He's presented as one. To justify the fact that Putin is just a dictator.
I'm not blaming anything on Russia and Putin, on the contrary I'm saying that Western nations would and have done the same if not worse.
3558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Probably aprproved murder on: January 22, 2016, 09:22:30 AM
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.

Double standards ^^
3559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 22, 2016, 08:19:44 AM
From the beginning of the period you said, ancient greece, they already had lots of alternative explanations for what they saw in daily life. Atomism like I said for example. That's back in the 5th century bc. India had something similar to atomism around that time too. Before that there were explanations for natural phenomena like lightning, earthquakes, the sun, etc without gods. Maybe those ideas weren't more talked about because of connections to atheism and the risk of death or exile. Or maybe it was more difficult to spread those ideas because they didn't have the practical applications they have today. So it didn't matter much if gods were doing things or if it was something natural. But choosing to believe the more complicated explanation of gods doing things needs faith.

Atomism was a mere theory, today it's proved.

Again, you're right in the idea, it's just that science and scientific explanations won a lot of ground nowadays. So there are less mysteries left to "prove" the existence of god Smiley

3560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where is your "promised land", and why? on: January 22, 2016, 08:17:02 AM
My promised land is France, even if the stronger the American-liberal influenced, the less beautiful it becomes. It's still the land with the most incredible culture in the world (talking about historical culture here, not saying we're the best just that we have lots of monuments and ruins of our past in a perfect state). The best food in the world (personal point of view here).
It's also the land of equality and the only country in the world where capitalism is (was?) a bit controlled in order to make the people more equal.

The land of socialism and of equality. The land of culture, science, art and love. My promised land.
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