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3541  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 10:39:17 PM
Meanwhile, many Avalon customers got their shipping notices ... and the bitcoin network dropped over the last couple of days ...

Very interested to see if any of them will contain more logs...

Do the owners know how to look ?
3542  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 10:34:05 PM

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?


Yes I can Five Hundred Gigahashes. Not really sure what point you are making.

How is the mining going at BTCMine? Enjoying your 10 day stint for 0.1 bitcoins?

umm.. BFL rigs = network hashrate flux

WTF does the pool I'm at have to do with this ? Get a better calculator and stop trying to distract others from the matters at hand.

Regardless my 1.4 ghash earns, I was having a freaking blast, even during this dry spell, thanks to having the peace of mind knowing that ITS AN HONEST 10 DAYS PAY. I say 'was' because these revelations have made the plot to centralize Bitcoin and rip off the miners, BLATANTLEY CLEAR.

For you or ANYONE to justify any company's burnin policy, implies of a conflict of interest. THEY MINED BTC WITH THE MINER'S PRE PAID PROPERTY. THEY, WHO EVER THEY ARE MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.

As a show of solidarity to all those who have be taken advantage of, I'll will be taking the rest of my 2.2 ghash offline, when the current round is completed.

WE ARE THE 75% !! Soon to be 99%. :/

Well you felt the need to act like a tool with your comment of can I spell - you get treated like one.

And to further the matter you have just made yourself look like rather idiotic. You obviously have not read any of my posts as I was the one ARGUING that using customers equipment to mine is unacceptable.

Man don't just steam roller in mouthing off like a cretin without reading the thread. Only one outcome you look dumb.

As someone else pointed out the fluctuation was due to ASICMiner nothing to do with a couple of 500ghs BFL units - as the change was huge but unsurprisingly you did not bother to check that either.

Also using the same username across multiple sites is not clever either as you can be easily identified.                                                                                                                                                                        

I can't believe you took the 'spell 500 ghash' comment personally. lmao Did you wish there was a smile face ? Grin Lighten up.

So.. plz explain why AsicMiner would suddenly show as 'other' ?  Huh Huh

I saw how easily you agreed with that and felt I had to call you out on it. Your response is quite telling.

If you would like to discuss this .. then by all means do. Or.. sign in with one of your alter-egos and I'll try to guess if its you again. Tongue

I use the same name because one is all I need. Pretty stupid huh ?

3543  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 05:28:31 PM
It just shows though they have far to much influence on something that was supposed to be decentralised.
It also indicates why the stepwise linearity of difficulty is a far less important metric when massive swings in network capacity can and do happen, and how the centralized operations can and will game that.

For example, right after a diff. reset, a big operator can bring a chunk of capacity online and jump BpH up to around 8 or more.  In fact,the marginal small unit isn't going to contribute in that enhanced bounty, only the centralized power is mathematically positioned to extract that "bonus."

Gaming abounds.  With regard to this network drop, though, something happened somewhere, I don't think there's any question, and that goes right to the point you made.
 

Terracoin and others have been on that ride for weeks and likely months.
3544  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 04:52:15 PM

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?


Yes I can Five Hundred Gigahashes. Not really sure what point you are making.

How is the mining going at BTCMine? Enjoying your 10 day stint for 0.1 bitcoins?

umm.. BFL rigs = network hashrate flux

WTF does the pool I'm at have to do with this ? Get a better calculator and stop trying to distract others from the matters at hand.

Regardless my 1.4 ghash earns, I was having a freaking blast, even during this dry spell, thanks to having the peace of mind knowing that ITS AN HONEST 10 DAYS PAY. I say 'was' because these revelations have made the plot to centralize Bitcoin and rip off the miners, BLATANTLEY CLEAR.

For you or ANYONE to justify any company's burnin policy, implies of a conflict of interest. THEY MINED BTC WITH THE MINER'S PRE PAID PROPERTY. THEY, WHO EVER THEY ARE MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.

As a show of solidarity to all those who have be taken advantage of, I'll will be taking the rest of my 2.2 ghash offline, when the current round is completed.

WE ARE THE 75% !! Soon to be 99%. :/
3545  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: June 19, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
Also came with an unexpected buddy:

http://postimg.org/image/quoynpf81/

I really wish I could change make my status from Sr. Member to "Unexpected Buddy".

I'm sure you'll come up with a better one after you see this..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236348.0
3546  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 02:56:26 PM
Also just checking http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate there has been a massive drop in hash rate.

Would someone care to explain this?

Approximately half is due to AM.  The rest can be attributed to variance.

http://www.asicminercharts.com/

Thanks for that it does clear things up.

But then what the hell are ASICMiner doing - this is a perfect example of why the network needs to be decentralised.

Is this a new form of attack to squeeze out the smaller players? Increase the difficulty to such a point and then reduce hashrate to dramatically increase the time between difficulty adjustments. Hence making it impossible to pay the costs.

A similar thing was done to Bytecoins and it destroyed it - plus it was shite anyway but the fact still stands.

Can you spell 500 Ghash ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0;topicseen

Are these some of the fpgas the miners were conned into trading away ?


3547  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Question for GPU miners on: June 19, 2013, 04:54:30 AM
The surprise for scrypt miners will come when mining scrypt is not profitable either. Who would trade ASIC earned BTC for GPU earned LTC at an effective loss? Yes I do believe the LTC economy is just an accessory to the BTC economy and can't stand up on its own right.

I agree, and then difficulty will drop until enough people are making a profit, somewhere someone will be mining scrypt profitable but unless you have cheap power and are prepared to optimize your rigs for efficiency I wouldn't bother. Worst case scenario scrypt mining in 6 months consists of people with free power looking for pennies on the bottom of a very deep well, but I doubt it will get that bad.

The thing LTC has going for it is when/if mtgox finally implements trading and fuel another bubble for a few weeks/months, long term I don't see even that saving profitable scrypt mining for most people however.

I agree - moreover, scrypt coins are doomed to failure by their very design. You cannot design a digital process that someone isn't going to be able to build hardware... to perform faster for less power. So if litecoin (for example) ever saw some decent numbers in it's price (say between 7 and 15 bucks a coin) almost immediately someone would come out with an FPGA to mine it and the entire thing would go tits up.




If what I've heard is true, Fpga's are already mining scrypt.

Where did you hear that?

Cryptsy Smiley

Just found this... and that.. lol
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91210.0

http://blockburner.net/
3548  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] First 500Gh/s BFL unit up and running! on: June 19, 2013, 04:36:39 AM
It's been up and down numerous times as I've been chipping away at the code to make it work at its theoretical maximum 480GH.

It's mostly working now. Here's what I've got:

Code:
 cgminer version 3.2.2 - Started: [2013-06-19 02:17:06]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (5s):477.6G (avg):472.1Gh/s | A:16  R:0  HW:193  U:10.8/m  WU:6575.3/m
 ST: 2  SS: 0  NB: 2  LW: 11012  GF: 0  RF: 0
 Connected to XXX diff 500
 Block: 00179d4404ca1359...  Diff:19.3M  Started: [02:18:28]  Best share: 9.56K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 BAS 0:  max 68C 3.28V | 56.23G/58.22Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:18 U: 0.67/m
 BAS 1:  max 69C 3.27V | 58.92G/60.48Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:23 U: 0.67/m
 BAS 2:  max 74C 3.27V | 60.53G/59.85Gh/s | A:4 R:0 HW:19 U: 2.69/m
 BAS 3:  max 80C 3.28V | 62.52G/61.58Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:20 U: 0.67/m
 BAS 4:  max 86C 3.27V | 74.56G/59.90Gh/s | A:4 R:0 HW:39 U: 2.69/m
 BAS 5:  max 71C 3.28V | 64.25G/58.79Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:25 U: 0.67/m
 BAS 6:  max 81C 3.27V | 59.93G/58.98Gh/s | A:2 R:0 HW:25 U: 1.34/m
 BAS 7:  max 72C 3.27V | 43.22G/60.81Gh/s | A:2 R:0 HW:25 U: 1.34/m
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note the hardware error count may appear very high, but bear in mind that it's mining at diff 500


That's just too hot, 86C degree??? Delta fans needed  Cool

it may not be accurate because there are a lot of units in that room heating up the room temp so who knows what it would when you have it

Considering it just started.. notice the share count.. thats pretty damn hot.
3549  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 04:04:53 AM
Thats BS coinedBit. The world would be freakin awesome without greed because NO ONE WILL WANT TO EXPLOIT YOU.

We must rid ourselves from that greed mongering mentality. A fair and just environment is what Satoshi had in mind when he/they first began to code Bitcoin. Asics and $100/BTC caused most of us to forget.

I think you will be sorely disappointed when you receive a 0.65BTC refund per machine for the coins that Avalon "stole" from mainnet Roll Eyes

(780 BTC / 1200 miners ≃ 0.65 BTC/miner)

Keep dreaming..

The amount of BTC scammed is staggering when the coins used to buy these pre-orders are added. 100,000 ?? 500,000 ??

Maybe.

I'm basing my assumption on what proof I have (admittedly, it's not much), but if I were you I wouldn't get worked up on ideas not backed by facts, It won't do you any good. if you think they have scammed so much, search the blockchain, maybe you will come up with something relevant.

Ooops.. I meant any pre-order paid to any company. We should also tack on a (10.. 50.. 100,000BTC ??) guesstimate for all Thash/s that were taken offline when all the trade ins were gobbled up.

I can know this is a huge scandal, without having to spend time on the blockchain to know it. The rounds of "Problem, Reaction, Solution" are clearly seen when you look back at the way the Crypto movement has been, and continues to be, manipulated.

Thank you David Icke. Grin Long live David Icke !! Grin
3550  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 18, 2013, 04:20:20 PM
Thats BS coinedBit. The world would be freakin awesome without greed because NO ONE WILL WANT TO EXPLOIT YOU.

We must rid ourselves from that greed mongering mentality. A fair and just environment is what Satoshi had in mind when he/they first began to code Bitcoin. Asics and $100/BTC caused most of us to forget.

I think you will be sorely disappointed when you receive a 0.65BTC refund per machine for the coins that Avalon "stole" from mainnet Roll Eyes

(780 BTC / 1200 miners ≃ 0.65 BTC/miner)

Keep dreaming..

The amount of BTC scammed is staggering when the coins used to buy these pre-orders are added. 100,000 ?? 500,000 ??
3551  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 17, 2013, 10:32:56 PM
So basically Avalon is stealing from all of us using preordered unit. GG scammers

Someone is.. Still waiting for proof as to who..
3552  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 17, 2013, 10:27:33 PM

What will happen to the legitimacy of Bitcoin if we determine that 30% of the new coins mined, since the asic dream began, could be classified as stolen assets/ property ?
Governments have a problem with bitcoin, that works to the scammers' advantage short term:  if they were to allege fraud -under US law, it would probably be Civil RICO- then, by definition, they would be accepting the legitimacy of bitcoins as something of value, and -worse- would have to assign some value to them to finish the allegation.

I have no doubt that there has been systematic use of Avalon equipment since the March/April price run-up.  I don't believe it has been done by team Avalon, except to the extent that their poor control over their fulfillment processes is responsible in an overarching, "buck stops at the top" way.

But prior to April, I don't believe it was worth it.  I'm not so sure that BFL has done it, or is so loosely organized that it would go on without knowledge; I don't think that's part of their script.

What you are really saying, probably, is this:  If 30% of the new coins minted were done so using the money of those who pre-purchased asic "dreams," only to have those dreams turn into nightmares of difficulty-induced futility, then a lot of people - maybe a critical mass of early adopters - would abandon the concept and it could die.  

Yeah, that's possible.  But as long as the "scheme" regardless of the ethics of those around it, continues to produce 400 thousand dollars worth of something every day, there for the taking for anybody who has the right piece of electronic gadgetry, there will be those to replace those who drop away, if someone promises them that gadget.

The governments and the Central banks might, ultimately, kill this.  But right now, they haven't figured out how to attack it effectively, and, frankly, it isn't big enough - yet - for them to worry too much about.

F what the government and it's legal system thinks and lets get on with damage control.

Just follow the BTC and alt-coin trail.
3553  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 17, 2013, 09:24:24 PM
If I were waiting for one, I would be demanding that ALL pool operators find a way to verify that the asics at thier pool are all legitimately owned.

Be careful with that.  Governments around the world are probably already drafting bills that would allow for licensing of mining operations. 

Say what?  You don't have a license for that ASIC?  Well, boy, that is 3 years in a big house; for each Gh/s.  Confiscation of hardware, seizure of property etc.


I never meant to imply that we would need a registry or licensing for high hashpower users.
3554  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 17, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
The conspiracy to centralize or shut down Bitcoin is plainly evident to me now.
I think you should never underestimate the force of good ol' private enterprise, petty corruption.

Here's an analogy.  One of my good friends is a retired Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (USA ATF) agent.  One case he worked on as a young man was at the Marlboro plant in Virginia.  Truckloads of Marlboro cigarettes, hundreds of cases, thousands of cartons were loaded into containers and sent to the Navy at Port Norfolk.  Tax free.

The guy whose job it was to seal the container, certifying that the seal was not to be broken execpt overseas, would spoof the seal on certain trucks.  The driver of that truck would exit on the way to Norfolk, stop, pull out a couple cases into a waiting van, and then press the seal.  When the cigs got to Japan or Europe or where ever, nobody even noticed the shortage.

They got busted.  Mafia?  Nope.  International cigarette smugglers?  Nope?  A couple guys who had the motive (money from free cigarettes to sell), means and opportunity.  

The only thing I underestimated was the scale of the theft(s) involved. I saw this coming soon after I began mining last October, when the asic pre orders and gpu sell-off, were reaching thier peaks even though deadlines were being missed.

Riddle me this.. BTC person...

What will happen to the legitimacy of Bitcoin if we determine that 30% of the new coins mined, since the asic dream began, could be classified as stolen assets/ property ?

I guesstimate its more like 50% if you were to factor in the BTC used to buy the pre orders.

If I were waiting for one, I would be demanding that ALL pool operators find a way to verify that the asics at thier pool are all legitimately owned.
3555  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: June 17, 2013, 07:15:36 PM
HI there, here is my little honest Mining Farm haha.

Look at my farm, my farm is amazing, give it a try uhmmmmm, look at my farm, my farm is amazing, give it a try,uhmmmmm it's sounds like i'm crazy....hahahaha jokes apart
here are the photos and one prints of my little honest farm ;d



my imageshack.us algum http://imageshack.us/g/1/10198579/



As u can see on the last photo, with gpuz and all stuff,if  look at WU: its says ~900, its cause i only run the programa to show u guys this ;d i was playing BF3 MP before Cheesy
U can also see that my GPU MEM is underclocked, what? ya, what matters is the ratio of mem/clock, doesn't has to be overclocking memory, only highest coreClock will improve kh/s, mem can be underclocked as well as sha256 BUT, need same sweet spot as for overclocking memories.

i can't pass ~550kh/s cause XFX is not good, and i kinda have some....well oc scarry tha crap out of me, in less then 2 months i fried my HD6850 cause of oc...so i don't wanna push it more, not for now at least, but hey, with underclock is better for me and the card so i like it....
 keep in mind that what matter is ratio, and high CORE clock, mem clocks kinda just have to be there(u get what i mean).



Take the crossfire bridge off unless you use it for gaming.  It hurts your hashrate.

So much for trying that experiment. Wink
3556  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 17, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
I was onto it in February, when they first began to surface.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137534.msg1548544#msg1548544

3 months later, AvenG confirmed my suspicions with this post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137534.msg2176000#msg2176000

The conspiracy to centralize or shut down Bitcoin is plainly evident to me now.

The asic promises and gpu sell off of 2012.. The gpu diverting alt-coin craze.. I wonder what phase 3 has in store ?
3557  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Customer Appreciation Chip Credit Program on: June 17, 2013, 04:57:46 PM
Next.. they'll start dishing out Canadina Tire money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_money
3558  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: New cgminer giving low hash will tip for help! on: June 17, 2013, 02:51:35 AM
I've been seeing the big jumps whenever I run it with 2 threads. Changing it to 1 will lower the hashrate a tad but at least the main problem goes away.
3559  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [NR 1] Triplemining.com <> BIG jackpot every week <> on: June 16, 2013, 06:25:58 AM
Lets stop this which hunt right now, adara. These people with unpaid BTC need to step forward, or you need to STFU.

You have taken much of what I said in the PM out of context and the rest is lies. I never said I was an old friend, 'throwing squid' nor was I EVER owed anything.

Triplemining was not the only pool mentioned as having suffered an unusually bad luck streak during the days/weeks leading up to the halving. I DID NOT IMPLICATE ANY OF THOSE POOL OPERATORS.

Quote
And regarding your "bad luck streaks" another "old friend of yours" that just PM'ed me wanted to mention that he's still throwing squid when remembering the "bad luck streak" that your pool had during the weeks previous to block halving in November. It seems math has no place in your pool at some very specific periods.

@Kinlo  I will gladly forward you a copy of the PMs if requested. Plz know, I have no malicious intent here.

HT
3560  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Question for GPU miners on: June 15, 2013, 05:57:01 PM
If what I've heard is true, Fpga's are already mining scrypt.
Unconvinced, and first - even if they are, they are unlikely to be a significant performance/power advantage over GPUs, and second - mining, no matter what the means, efficiency, power, resistance, mechanism etc. does not create an ecosystem in and of itself.

Makes sense and +1 azw409. Smiley

Pardon my noobility but.. Grin

Aren't we just a firmware update or fork away from scrypt asics becoming a reality ?

Its very obvious to me how the current gpu exodus/ alt coin frenzy and the gpu sell off of 2012 were both acic induced. Its a conspiracy to centralize BTC and eventually the entire crypto movement.

With the much of the competition shut down or diverted, asic owners are more than happy to see the difficulty stay as artificially low as it is.

@ all alt-coin miners..

If you think 15M diff is high. How are you going to like 30M after most of these useless alts get asic'd and/or become worthless ?
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