15MH at current difficulty equals 0.0021 BTC per day.
In a few months it will be 1/10th of that. Even if you dont care about the environment, how much time are you willing to spend to make a grand total of $5 worth of BTC extra - if that?
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Colour me confused. I am not sure either of the pictures are actually from BFL ASICs. I think the CAD printouts that BFL posted earlier showed their die a little bit but noticeably rectangular. Not as square as the dies on the wafer picture but neither as heavily rectangular as the wirebond picture does. Also the CAD die pictures I think showed the pads for connections to be alongside the edges of the die as I think is the common way of doing things. The wirebond picture shows the bonding pads on the "die" to seem quite strange. I am not sure the wirebonding picture contains any die at all. Maybe it is just some practicing bed for the wiring or something else. If I make a google image search for ASIC wirebonding I get a ton of pictures and none of those I have any doubt at all that they contain a die like the BFL picture I find myself doubting. weird.
The chip you see isnt packaged. Thats why it has a different shape and different ball layout. Maybe this picture clears it up: The pads you see are the ones in the green area, which are normally not exposed on a packaged chip. Only on a naked die.
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Quick noob question: what happens when technology reaches 1nm or 0.5 nm? What is next?
It stops at some point. You cant get smaller than atomic level, and we are getting really close. At 14nm, a "wire" is only 30 atoms wide. And before you reach atomic level, you also get all sorts of weird quantum mechanical effects. Transistors no longer work as you would expect them. As of now, 5nm seems doable at some point in the future, probably using carbon nanotubes, but there is a brick wall looming.
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A 14nm FPGA might be competitive with Avalon, but its probably still at least a year out, and it will be competing with 65nm and probably even 28nm asics. There is no chance in hell it will be competitive with those, not in price, not in power efficiency. Rule of thumb, FPGA's are 10x as big and 10x more power hungry than ASICs on the same process node.
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I thought the SEC only applied to public companies and i don't think BFL is public.
Dont know about SEC, but FTC certainly applies: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-ruleAnd BFL are in clear violation of it You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:
the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise; the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date; the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date; the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to; unless everyone has not only received these dalay notifications but also responded to them.
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GLBSE is not around specifically because of AML/KYC issues surrounding their activities. In order to continue, VPS must know who it is dealing with.
This would mean you are the one unable to fulfill his contractual obligations. Whether or not that is actually true, there should be little doubt as to what should happen with the bitcoins people entrusted you with.
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think there point is that there's no benefit in waiting until all of the wafers are bumped - they're going to have to destroy a wafer in order to test unpackaged chips so they might as well destroy the first bumped wafer now as wait until the end of the week. The alternative is waiting until they have some packaged chips to test. What exactly will they test ? You can do non destructive functional testing using a wafer prober, particularly if BFL had a clue and implemented some built-in self tests. And you cant test a bazillion things on a chip thats not packaged, like the integrity of the package, IO, analog signal stuff, impact of thermal and physical stress,... So I really dont see what the big advantage is of destroying 5000+ chips to be able to test, what exactly ?
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That whole post was Greek to me. Burning wafers? Just get the shit done.
Its just Josh learning. Over the past few weeks he learned that "2 days" means "the bumping process takes 2 days, but can only be started in 16 days" and that packaging facilities have their own internal planning and arent going to be bribed for a tiny 5 or 6 wafer order. Shocking. So now he learned that testing chips takes longer than 24 hours so they are tossing away ~6000 chip candidates to get a handful of chips in testing a few days earlier than otherwise possible. That is 8 months after they started taking your money. Does that make sense? No. Unless you planned this completely wrong, started production before testing and are still trying to stick to a ridiculous timetable you shouldnt have ever promised in the first place. And even then it doesnt make a lot of sense, because you can only test so much on wire bonded chips. Among other things, it will tell you nothing about the physical properties of the BGA chip and its going to be hard to do any board level testing. But he will learn that too, eventually.
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Respectfully, how about you get off these forums, stop with your piss war, and update the official BFL forums thread on what is going on with our orders.
How about he gets off both forums and starts doing what he is being paid for? Perhaps spend some time trying to learn his new business and find out what many people here already know and predicted. More productive than trying to strongarm suppliers you have no leverage over, or posting daily updates which only consists of ever shifting timetables, self pity and blaming others.
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It's been a long time since I looked at MyData equipment (wayyyy too slow to even be on my radar), but the last time I did, there was NO WAY Mydata was going to be placing flip-chips. I also didn't see any equipment in the BFL equipment thread that would be able to underfill a flip-chip.
There is a fair chance BFL still has to find that out. Fully expect a "oops, now we have the wrong equipment" or "oops, those BGA balls crack without underfill" or "we cant chew bubble gum fast enough to underfill our chips" post by Josh in the next weeks.
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Ill give you a payment address after I got home and found the card and confirmed its a ref card. Pretty sure but not 110%. if you pm me your address I can already prepare a shipping label here so i can mail it first thing tomorrow.
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No offense, I realize its just a metal plate but for 2.5 euro in profit, I am not going to bother to find it, disassemble it, package it, and bring it to the post office. 0.5 BTC shipped.
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Still looking forward to Q3/Q4 to see these new ASIC integrators show their stuff. I can wait til then to part with my $$.
Q4? Delays are always possible, but dont be indoctrinated by BFL. Keep in mind these guys claim to already have chips, in that sense they are way ahead of BFL. I dont know how long it takes to design and manufacture a custom PCB for something like this, but certainly based on a ref design, those integrators should be ready when these guys get their chips. They will have had some time to have tested the boards and software using the preproduction chips. So if they do get the chips in june, why couldnt they ship in june? BFL seems to think they can ship mere days after they get their first ever chips. What I am curious about is when we will see those vendors announce their product and start accepting (pre)orders. BFL has shown the advantage to them of announcing early and since we might see multiple competing vendors with very comparable products soon, I dont think it will be very long.
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I might have one (incl screws), or it could be a dead 5870 (are they even different?). Ill check when I get home. What is it worth to you? Looks like shipping will costs 3.5 euro.
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Yes, and PC word processors would never replace typewriters, and email would never replace letters, digital cameras would never make film obsolete, online video would never kill off high-street video rental. Yes, very good that we have all those long-standing things still with us...
Problem is you are expecting a clever electronic etch a sketch to replace word processors. That just isnt going to happen either. Bitcoin is a lot of things, but an viable general alternative to fiat currency, it aint. Ripple otoh, way too early to say, but at least its not unthinkable.
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BFL is 65nm correct? So this chip would have (65/28)2= ~5.4x higher density. So all other things being equal, you would expect at least 5x the performance per mm2 or per wafer. Factor in SOI and higher clockspeeds and it might be 6-7-8x? Ignoring fixed costs, how can this be more expensive per GH than BFL? Is SOI really that expensive?
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Are you saying my revenue will be reduced to 10% (or 1%, yikes!) if I don't upgrade to the asics or are you assuming that from the moment one receives one it will take months to diminish any income?
I am saying your per GH revenue will most likely drop that much over the next months compared to now. Mining revenue per GH is directly and inversely proportional to difficulty which is proportional to the aggregate hashrate of the network. And the latter is about to explode when the various asics finally get to their customers over the next months.
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becoin, you are ridiculous. You said word for word "BFL is going to deliver something like a bitcoin mining ASIC", which contradicts "BFL is a scam" (because everybody except you interprets it as meaning "BFL will deceive by not delivering anything").
In your very own vocabulary, "is a scam" seems to mean "is late". If that is what you want to complain about then use the adjective "late", not the noun "scam". How many times do I have to explain this?
it may not be that black and white. For arguments sake, lets assume BFL gets their 75K chips tomorrow, assembles everything and then does "burn in tests" of their hardware for 6 months straight before shipping. Would that make it a scam or just late?
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Absolutely not. But I do want to be in the game now and reap the supposed benefits before the block reward is further reduced.
That will take 4 years and wil cut your mining revenue at most by half. Other asics coming online will take months and reduce your mining revenue to somewhere between 10% and 1% of what it is now.
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