New BFL update. 25 February 2013.

[kaerf]

The tests have gone well so far. The ASIC team is packing it in for the night and will resume tomorrow. No problems at this point.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1168-february-27th-update-discussion-thread-5.html#post16380

[poon-TANG]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2w1zl6q.png[/ img]

Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

PuertoLibre stalking the BFL forums.........no way!   LOL

[ralree]

Composite picture of Test Chips:



 Full Size: http://i48.tinypic.com/142g21g.png

I have not been following this very much, but are they only onto testing chips now?

Yup, and Avalon has managed to get 1 unit to someone outside of China in over a month.  Everything will change soon.

[DrG]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2w1zl6q.png[/ img]

Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

PuertoLibre stalking the BFL forums.........no way!   LOL

What I wonder is if you're not throwing $20-$50K into ASICs why you would be spending so much time posting in threads for an item that you don't even want.  I mean there's educating the public and then there's just making into a life goal.  The same can be said for people trolling in the Avalon threads.  Only reason I come here is to just get updates I missed without having to scan all the BFL forums.

What kind of jobs/lives must some of you have to be able to afford this much time online?

[PuertoLibre]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2w1zl6q.png[/ img]

Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

How much do they pay you to brown nose for them?

Reading the BFL forums each day is now a crime?

PuertoLibre stalking the BFL forums.........no way!   LOL

Another notorious example of a person who calls other BFL customers "trolls" for wanting updates.

[PuertoLibre]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2w1zl6q.png[/ img]



Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

PuertoLibre stalking the BFL forums.........no way!   LOL

What I wonder is if you're not throwing $20-$50K into ASICs why you would be spending so much time posting in threads for an item that you don't even want.  I mean there's educating the public and then there's just making into a life goal.  The same can be said for people trolling in the Avalon threads.  Only reason I come here is to just get updates I missed without having to scan all the BFL forums.

What kind of jobs/lives must some of you have to be able to afford this much time online?

Probably for the same reason the above people spent months bashing bASIC and Avalon in their own threads.

Pot calling the kettle black as it were.

Throw the rock carefully so it doesn't bounce and hit themselves on their own head. (or their own previous activity)

[PuertoLibre]

Composite picture of Test Chips:



 Full Size: http://i48.tinypic.com/142g21g.png

I have not been following this very much, but are they only onto testing chips now?

So far, yes. Josh stated in some post that it was only for testing the chip was designed properly. (Or thereabouts in paraphrase)

They haven't indicated they are testing the chips for specs, only for functionality and proper implementation of the design.

[Enigma81]

Composite picture of Test Chips:



 Full Size: http://i48.tinypic.com/142g21g.png

I'll give their "Asic Team" one thing - assuming that really is their die, that's some damn nice wire-bonding.

Enigma

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Composite picture of Test Chips:



 Full Size: http://i48.tinypic.com/142g21g.png

I'll give their "Asic Team" one thing - assuming that really is their die, that's some damn nice wire-bonding.

Enigma

Thank You!!!

[Enigma81]

Hahahah.  Ok, that was funny

[Enigma81]

While not diced, the picture of the full wafer does show the separation of the individual dice.. They look awfully 'square' to me.. This single die looks rectangular.  Optical dillusion, perhaps?



Enigma

[mrb]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Hmmmm.  That's very open-ended.  Even though they never enforced the old policy, at least it stated that orders were considered non-refundable up until delivery or 1 January, whichever came first.

That is correct. BFL originally said that refunds would be allowed "60 days past target", that is 60 days past Oct 31, that is after Dec 31:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87934.msg993703#msg993703  (the only reason I have the link is because I had saved it)

Strangely, the above post was deleted(!), but some users, like streblo, have quoted it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102040.msg1117586#msg1117586

[Betatester]

While not diced, the picture of the full wafer does show the separation of the individual dice.. They look awfully 'square' to me.. This single die looks rectangular.  Optical dillusion, perhaps?

Enigma

Strange indeed. I count about 35 by 35.
Maybe that´s why the image appeared split in the post?
No EXIF data again.

[greyhawk]

The original post was 4 individual pictures of just the 4 corners of the die. I don't know who thought it would be a bright idea to slap those together into a single picture, but there's most definitely stuff missing "in the middle".

[beekeeper]

While not diced, the picture of the full wafer does show the separation of the individual dice.. They look awfully 'square' to me.. This single die looks rectangular.  Optical dillusion, perhaps?

Enigma

Strange indeed. I count about 35 by 35.
Maybe that´s why the image appeared split in the post?
No EXIF data again.

If you look carefully you'll notice that image is composed from several pictures. That's because they were shot under microscope (maybe bonding machine optics).

[Betatester]

If you look carefully you'll notice that image is composed from several pictures. That's because they were shot under microscope (maybe bonding machine optics).

AKK. There is a lot missing.

[ab8989]

Colour me confused. I am not sure either of the pictures are actually from BFL ASICs. I think the CAD printouts that BFL posted earlier showed their die a little bit but noticeably rectangular. Not as square as the dies on the wafer picture but neither as heavily rectangular as the wirebond picture does. Also the CAD die pictures I think showed the pads for connections to be alongside the edges of the die as I think is the common way of doing things. The wirebond picture shows the bonding pads on the "die" to seem quite strange. I am not sure the wirebonding picture contains any die at all. Maybe it is just some practicing bed for the wiring or something else. If I make a google image search for ASIC wirebonding I get a ton of pictures and none of those I have any doubt at all that they contain a die like the BFL picture I find myself doubting. weird.

[bonker]

It appears that some of the rumors may be true, some requests for refund are indeed being delayed or are ignored for a lengthy period of time.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2w1zl6q.png[/ img]

Source Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1127-cancelling-my-order.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1166-why-hell-your-e-mails-skype-phone-dead-customers-why.html

Is it your job to stalk the BFL forums?

I sent their Cust Support an email about an issues (not a refund, however), and it took them 12 days to get back to me. I would assume that a refund would take about the same amount of time, so I don't consider this to be a purposeful delay. You can calm down on the OMG BFL ISN"T REFUNDING ORDERS for a lil bit.

How much do they pay you to brown nose for them?

^^^
This is what I've been trying to find out. Crazyates is such a fanatical BFL apologist and cheerleader that he *has* to be on the payroll.

[beekeeper]

Colour me confused. I am not sure either of the pictures are actually from BFL ASICs. I think the CAD printouts that BFL posted earlier showed their die a little bit but noticeably rectangular. Not as square as the dies on the wafer picture but neither as heavily rectangular as the wirebond picture does. Also the CAD die pictures I think showed the pads for connections to be alongside the edges of the die as I think is the common way of doing things. The wirebond picture shows the bonding pads on the "die" to seem quite strange. I am not sure the wirebonding picture contains any die at all. Maybe it is just some practicing bed for the wiring or something else. If I make a google image search for ASIC wirebonding I get a ton of pictures and none of those I have any doubt at all that they contain a die like the BFL picture I find myself doubting. weird.

I think that was first design for QFN which they said it failed because of thermal issues. I think Josh said they managed to make the impossible and somehow convert old design to a flip chip (check wikipedia).

[Puppet]

Colour me confused. I am not sure either of the pictures are actually from BFL ASICs. I think the CAD printouts that BFL posted earlier showed their die a little bit but noticeably rectangular. Not as square as the dies on the wafer picture but neither as heavily rectangular as the wirebond picture does. Also the CAD die pictures I think showed the pads for connections to be alongside the edges of the die as I think is the common way of doing things. The wirebond picture shows the bonding pads on the "die" to seem quite strange. I am not sure the wirebonding picture contains any die at all. Maybe it is just some practicing bed for the wiring or something else. If I make a google image search for ASIC wirebonding I get a ton of pictures and none of those I have any doubt at all that they contain a die like the BFL picture I find myself doubting. weird.

The chip you see isnt packaged. Thats why it has a different shape and different ball layout. Maybe this picture clears it up:



The pads you see are the ones in the green area, which are normally not exposed on a packaged chip. Only on a naked die.