When you say "it," what are you talking about.
Calcium hypochlorite. You know, the salt you were talking about your post, and listed on the warning label I was quoting? It doesn't make sense to say:
1. Hypochlorous acid is one of the body's greatest pathogen fighters.
2. Don't enhance the body's pathogen fighting ability by adding a little more hypochlorus acid to the body, because hypochlorous acid is poison.
I told you how it makes sense in my first reply. Hypochlorous acid kills germs because it kills everything. It is not normally present in the body; as you point it, it is produced on demand by neutrophils to attack pathogens. It will kill the body's own cells just as readily, which is why autoimmune disease is a thing. "Adding a little more hypochlorous acid to the body" will cause injury or death, and the generic term for substances which cause injury or death is "poison". Looking at your site that you listed above, we see that the substance listed was sodium chlorite, not calcium hypochlorite or hypochlorous acid. Sounds like you are somewhat mistaken, or else you are disseminating disinformation intentionally.
No, that's the old formula, which killed people in the past. I'm talking about the new formula, which kill people in the future. BTW, I have been ingesting chlorine dioxide on a regular basis for at least two years, now. It seems to have enhanced my health.
Impossible. Chlorine dioxide is a gas at room temperature. Unless you've been living in Antarctica, I doubt you ingested much of it. After all, if you are simply not too lazy to type out whatever the thing is that you are talking about when you use the word "it," then you are intentionally attempting to confuse the issue.
I'm Foxpup is sorry if your BADecker's inability to understand pronouns confuses you BADecker. I'll Foxpup will try to use simpler language for you BADecker in future. Thank you again for prompting me to show the forum folks the benefits of hypochlorous acid. Just a smattering of sites that come up when Googling " hypochlorous acid and the immune system." http://www.aqualution.co.uk/aqualution/the-science/Hypochlorous acid is one of the most effective known biocides. This weak acid with the chemical name HClO or HOCl is the same chemical produced by the human immune system to kill invasive organisms and fight infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1853323/The germicidal properties of HOCl have been well reported.1,10,13,20,21,24 Hypochlorous acid is widely used as a disinfectant, for example, in sanitizing wash solutions and swimming pools. In these applications, the reactive chemical is formed in solution by the addition of chlorine to water. http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1299599#iThe researchers said the human immune system produces hypochlorous acid in response to infection but the substance does not kill only the bacterial invaders. It kills human cells too, which may explain how tissue is destroyed in chronic inflammation. http://www.hyclo.com/index-7.htmlWhen the body comes under attack from invading bacteria and viruses, the body's immune system immediately responds by sending increased numbers of a specific white blood cell called a Neutrophil to the invasion site. Once activated, these cells produce substantial quantities of a solution which is highly effective in eliminating all invading microbes and pathogens. The oxidant that the white blood cells produce is acknowledged to be among the most potent natural disinfectants, yet it remains non-toxic to humans, and is highly effective as an antimicrobial agent with rapid action. It is called Hypochlorous acid or HClO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acidIn biology, hypochlorous acid is generated in activated neutrophils [white blood cells] by myeloperoxidase-mediated peroxidation of chloride ions, and contributes to the destruction of bacteria. http://www.advancedtissue.com/hypochlorous-acid-wound-care/A weak acid that is produced predominantly as a solution, hypochlorous acid is abundant in wound care mainly because of its redeeming oxidizing properties. It is mainly provided as a disinfectant to help avoid wound infection, and while it is widely available for purchase in various stores, it is important to understand that a stabilized form of the acid is what can help cleanse wounds. Here is a general overview regarding the wound healing qualities of hypochlorous acid, and how to effectively use it to care for your lesion:
Natural properties
One of the more intriguing dynamics to hypochlorous acid is the fact that it is naturally found in small molecules generated by white blood cells responding to killing pathogens before they infiltrate the immune system. Other in vitro studies have examined its capabilities to get rid of drug-resistant bacteria, indicating that it could prove useful for severe chronic wounds. It is also known for its ability to efficiently sterilize and debride wounds of dead tissue found at the source of the injury, as well as being able to remove strong odors from lesions. http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=hypochlorous+acid&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=55998542363&hvpos=2t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7092537600450614497&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_502zx9bp02_b (Loaded with disinfectants for sale, that use hypochlorous acid as the active ingredient.) http://www.hsp-usa.com/faq/The active ingredient of (Hsp2O)®solution is hypochlorous acid, a well known and well noted biocidal agent, which is produced by the human body's natural immune system to fight infection. It is also known as "Super-oxidized Water" or "Electrolyzed Water". It is non-toxic to humans, animals, and the environment. Isn't it about time you stopped your fear tactics? ---------- BTW, I generally mix between 6 and 8 drops of a 28% solution of sodium chlorite in water, with the same number of drops of a 50% solution of citric acid in water. This combination chemically produces tiny molecules of chlorine dioxide gas within the resulting solution. The reaction seems to be complete within 3 minutes if I stir the solution. This I add to a cup of water, stir momentarily, and drink immediately. Without going into detail, I have noticed relief from some negative health symptoms since I started drinking this solution. As I said, I have been doing this for about two years. Lately I have reduced the times I take it from once daily, to about 3 or 4 times weekly. I notice a recurrence of symptoms if I do not take the solution at least weekly.  |
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Hey, thanks, Foxpup. I just looked at some of your posts in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78139.msg869369, and the responses,etc. It seems that you are either a highly misinformed simpleton regarding chlorine dioxide, or you are a shrewd disseminator of disinformation, probably working for Big Pharma. |
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Voluntary.
That's what the United States is... voluntary. Just look at the income tax. It's voluntary. Just because you don't know how to volunteer out. |
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Did you notice the way that you showed us that there is warning? You did it in the same way that the medical and the FDA does. You attempted to focus our attention on the warning, without showing us the benefits, thereby attempting to hide the benefits of hypochlorous acid from us, just like the medical does.
What are you talking about? It shows the benefits quite clearly: it "chlorinates, shocks and kills algae" and is "good for all pool surfaces". Not so good for making drinks. Table salt chlorinates, as well, after a fashion. When you say "it," what are you talking about. Hypochlorous acid is a natural substance found in the body. After it does its work - killing pathogens - it turns into table salt. Calcium hypochlorite is a substance that turns into hypochlorous acid when added to water. Both the medical and health nuts are trying to enhance the body by adding substances to it that enhance its ability to live. It doesn't make sense to say: 1. Hypochlorous acid is one of the body's greatest pathogen fighters. 2. Don't enhance the body's pathogen fighting ability by adding a little more hypochlorus acid to the body, because hypochlorous acid is poison. There is even at least one company that is trying to incorporate it into their products as medicine, even though hypochlorous acid and its properties have been known about for more than 100 years.
Miracle Mineral Solution? That's the same company that was forced to stop selling their original formula because it seriously injured literally every person who tried it, several of whom died, which I warned about in another thread. It's not entirely clear to me why the people involved aren't in jail. I wasn't speaking of the Miracle Mineral Solution company. However, that's the point. If it ever were proven that the Miracle Mineral Solution people caused death to anyone, they WOULD be in prison. Here you are, spreading slander, hearsay, and disinformation. Looking at your site that you listed above, we see that the substance listed was sodium chlorite, not calcium hypochlorite or hypochlorous acid. Sounds like you are somewhat mistaken, or else you are disseminating disinformation intentionally. BTW, I have been ingesting chlorine dioxide on a regular basis for at least two years, now. It seems to have enhanced my health. The medical seems to be ignoring this substance, hypochlorous acid.
They most certainly are not ignoring it. It is a widely used industrial chemical and accidental exposure is not uncommon. Your local poison control centre can tell you all about it. Thank you for giving me the incentive to point you and the rest of the forum folks towards Googling "hypochlorous acid and the immune system" again. After all, if you are simply not too lazy to type out whatever the thing is that you are talking about when you use the word "it," then you are intentionally attempting to confuse the issue. Sounds like you are getting into trolling a bit. And with your amount of "Legendary" activity on the forum, sounds like you were sent here simply to disrupt information flow, a long time ago. I would rather have clear, honest information.
Here's some clear, honest information: IF YOU DRINK POISON, YOU WILL GET SICK AND PROBABLY DIE. Anyone who ignores this advice deserves a Darwin Award. image This is true... that if you drink poison you will get sick. The medical and the FDA know this, and yet most if not all of the medicine they prescribe is poison. In fact, the only medicine that may not be poison is the occasional placebo. |
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Canada is a common law country. If he did harm to other people or damage to their property, he should make it right. To protect himself, he should do a little letter-writing campaign to the ladies in such a way that he asks them for evidence of the harm or damage. The campaign should include requests for payment for damages to him. He needs evidence and a witness. If he can settle by mail, great. If he can't, he should take it to Queens Bench in the courts (Queens Bench in Canada is a specific part of the courts for common law). It's all about harm or damages. Whichever did the harm or damages to the other should pay for the damage. The legal code of Canada should not enter in, and through Queens Bench it won't. |
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defiantly.
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Can anyone attempt a translatation of BADecker's insane gibberish to English for me? Thanks in advance.
Why, thank you, Baliathon. One of the nicest things you have said about me, yet.  |
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Ah....
Oh yes...
The Master Race....
Allow me to clear up any confusion you may have. Adolf Hitler: Violent capitalist fascist World Citizen Beliathon: Reasonable anti-capitalist social-anarchist I am the future. Authoritarianism is the past. Yours in compassion and solidarity, World Citizen Beliathon Thanks for the clarifiction. However I have noticed that many anti-captialists, many social-anarchists are autocratic and dictatorial in shoving their policies on others. Such is the opposite of freedom to choose, which is at the core of capitalism and at the heart of fascism. Looks to me like this consists of denying the authoritarianism of the past, while enabling that of the future, ever more controlling and restricting. So I take back what I said... Ah....
Oh yes...
The Master Race....Is it reasonable to correct the assertion to something like... Ah...
Oh yes...
The New Improved Master Race....Lazy. That's what they are: lazy; lazy and dull. If they weren't so lazy, they would get off their duffs and become capitalists, too. |
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-tyranny-of-defense-inc/308342/"The Tyranny of Defense Inc. In 1961, Dwight Eisenhower famously identified the military-industrial complex, warning that the growing fusion between corporations and the armed forces posed a threat to democracy. Judged 50 years later, Ike’s frightening prophecy actually understates the scope of our modern system—and the dangers of the perpetual march to war it has put us on" All this talk is irrelevant until somebody tells us what to do about it. Mompiche in Ecuador is a nice place. |
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What way would be the best to take it though.  I don't know. However, one of the top sites that comes up when you Google "hypochlorous acid and the immune system" is http://miraclemineral.co.nz/index.cfm?fact=mms2. The page is entitled Miracle Mineral Solution 2. It's pretty interesting reading, in layman's language. Is what they say accurate? I don't know, but here's a little: MMS2, is a capsule-based product. It contains Calcium Hypochlorite or Ca(ClO)2.
When it comes into contact with water, it immediately becomes hypochlorous acid. It seems that they are suggesting that you could put some calcium hypochlorite into a capsule and down it along with a lot of water. The calcium hypochlorite + water becomes hypochlorous acid in your stomach. I, personally, wouldn't suggest doing this without a lot of study. But I have found other sites that suggest that it works okay. Do your own research before you partake. |
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I would like the exact same kind that the United States is, except... The one thing that would make the United States right would have been government required training for all school children and others, that showed how people can use the courts, and articles 6, 7, and 9, in the Bill of Rights, to individually put government and corporations down any time and in any way that they want. They could do it if they only knew to remain in the common law of the people rather than the administrative side of government. Perhaps in times past, to grow the American government, it was good to avoid using the common law to some extent. But things have changed. There are too many people using the government for selfish things, or for expanding their own agendas that do not benefit the people. It is time for people to understand the original common law again, and use it. And, people are. We are relearning the methods to put government down legally and lawfully if we want. |
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In the States, it's call the income tax. |
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I think you should suck down a gallon of the stuff and post back with results - that's how science works
I actually want to see this happen. This might take some years. If you are a woman, we could get married so that you could watch it happen.  |
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well i don't want to take it rectally! no wonder no one is talking about it
But you would when you found out it was going to cure your colon cancer without so much as an operation. |
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There is nothing wrong with this idea, if it is done over the correct length of time. Probably in the time that it has taken for you to learn to use the Internet and type, your body has produced inside of you way more than a gallon of hypochlorous acid to fight pathogens naturally. Some people could use a little boost to their systems to kill off diseases that are incapacitating them when their immune systems are weak. Medical drugs often do damage to the body more than they fight a disease. Nutritional remedies often do not work. Why not enhance the immune system with the thing that it uses naturally? It seems that the medical wants us to ignore or not find out about the natural immune system fighter that is used already by everybody... hypochlorous acid. The medical drugs performance based on the body of patients itself, which not all people could be health when they use same medical drugs. But yeah, sometimes we need to be careful with what chemicals they are using in their business, like in swimming pool or restaurant. If we were careful sometimes, we would be eliminating around 99% of the medical drugs, and virtually all chemotherapy. Since we are not doing this, why not use something cheap, that the every body proves works, like hypochlorous acid? |
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This does not mean that the body can absorb acid orally, then package it into ammo magazine for your soldier cells to pew with.
However, there is science behind some of the sites that come up when you Google "hypochlorous acid and the immune system". Nobody is taking hypochlorous acid orally. You need to read. |
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From https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/180209-2015-07-21-satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-22nd-year-without-global.htm. ----------Quote Here is the summary: After September of this year, the Earth will be entering its 22nd year without a statistically significant warming trend, according to satellite-derived temperature data. Since September 1994, University of Alabama in Huntsville's satellite temperature data has shown no statistically significant global warming trend. For over 20 years there's been no warming trend apparent in the satellite records and will soon be entering into year 22 with no warming trend apparent in satellite data — which examines the lowest few miles of the Earth's atmosphere. Satellite data from the Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) group also shows a prolonged "hiatus" in global warming. ----------End Quote |
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I will admit, I think compassion, patience, and understanding is always the noblest course of action on both sides. It's easy to become jaded and frustrated at each other, but Carl Sagan said it best: On the other hand, when I'm under attack by theists for valiantly attempting to liberate their minds from the shackles of superstition, I often find myself feeling this: Intelligent design does not require emotion or benevolence (...) I'm sorry, are you disputing the God claims of the Holy Bible? Because the Bible claims that God loves everyone deeply, and wants to save our immortal souls. That's basic shit. But what scientific evidence suggests does not say anything about God one way or the other. A fair statement would be: There is equal evidence to support the existence of the God of the Holy Bible, as there is to support the existence of Allah, Yahweh, Zues, Gaia, Thor, Obi-Wan Kenobi's blue ghost, Jenova, Jibbers Crabst, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Given that knowledge, I suppose my question for Christians becomes: Why did you choose Christianity over all the other (more interesting) options out there? For me, nothing beats the evidence supporting Norse Mythology.  I'm thinking you're just trolling now. Would you please read what you're reaponding to? Thanks. 1) I had already disproved your false analogies in previous posts. A Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other thing whose topological constraints constitute any portion of their identity, is a false analogy to an intelligent designer (i.e. if a Creator creates topological constraints but exists prior to them, it follows its identity is not constituted by topological constraints). All entities whose identities consist of topological constraints could be empirically verified or falsified should they exist; an intelligent designer cannot be empirically verified or falsified should it exist. But it is not exempt from logical verification or falsification, which is precisely why it's an appropriate topic for rational discourse. 2) I'm not a Christian, nor do I follow any religion. I challenge you to write a response to me that does not contain a strawman. I can't remember any. For someone who prides himself on reason and intellectual capacity, you disappoint at both. 3) You still fail to demonstrate even a basic understanding of empirical exploration. A fair (and true) statement is that the evidence does not suggest anything about a god or no god, in the same way the evidence does not suggest anything about mathematics or no mathematics. 4) Please think for yourself. Your botched understanding of what top scientists actually say (e.g. Hawking, deGrasse Tyson, etc.) makes your posts look silly. When you parrot things willy-nilly, it shows. The thing that we all ignore about Beliathon is that he absolutely DOES use science. There is a branch of science where anything and everything goes. This includes the tearing down of any form of the scientific method if necessary, to prove a point. That science branch is Political Science. Most of us use at least a little of it now and again. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103707.msg11935521#msg11935521 to see what I mean about Beliathon. |
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I think you should suck down a gallon of the stuff and post back with results - that's how science works
There is nothing wrong with this idea, if it is done over the correct length of time. Probably in the time that it has taken for you to learn to use the Internet and type, your body has produced inside of you way more than a gallon of hypochlorous acid to fight pathogens naturally. Some people could use a little boost to their systems to kill off diseases that are incapacitating them when their immune systems are weak. Medical drugs often do damage to the body more than they fight a disease. Nutritional remedies often do not work. Why not enhance the immune system with the thing that it uses naturally? It seems that the medical wants us to ignore or not find out about the natural immune system fighter that is used already by everybody... hypochlorous acid. |
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1. Internet is not a very relevant source of information. 2. The chemical you mentioned seems harmful to the body. (You still use dangerous chemicals, consume worse in the food, water, but still one shouldn't if the world was perfect. It is no proper justification) 3. If indeed it is not harmful to the body, and has no side-effects (which simply is very unlikely), it can destroy the immune system of a person making him dependent on the chemical for life. 4. Medical industry is a competitive industry. If it indeed is capable of curing something, it will be sold. Even if it has a dangerous non-obvious side-effect, that is.  P.S. I like to debate. Important points: Hypochlorous acid can be made for pennies, is available all over the place, is a natural pathogen destroyer in the body, and has been virtually ignored by the medical system. Why? Especially, why is it that the warnings advertising seems to be designed to make people fear it rather than to seek to enhance their own immune systems through supplementation? EDIT: I don't like to debate, even though it seems that I do enough of it. I would rather have clear, honest information. |
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