Anyone can self-mod a thread in there and the argument is people should be responsible for their own trades, not staff, but I definitely think we could make some sort of changes or restrictions because things are being massively abused by scammers. Many scammers are just coming back alt after alt on new accounts, self-modding threads and trying to scam with cheap autobuy links. Most people aren't stupid enough to send these people their money but many also are especially other newbies or people coming to this site from google or whatever. I don't think removing the ability to self-mod in there would be a bad thing, or especially for lower ranked members as it's mostly just abused by scammers straight outta the gate. I think maybe not allowing external links for newbies should also be considered or perhaps implementing a redirect notice for when users click a link urging them to double check the url and warning them of the dangers of buying things from autobuy sites and that they should likely consider using a trusted escrow if they're not already etc.

I'm not all over the place but you're right you don't know how to respond but that's not my issue. My arguments are quite simple and are ones that are brought up time and time again when people want to ban things just because people might do some harm with it. Remember, every tool is a weapon if you hold it right (so ban tools, right?). Your arguments seemed to be it's against the law so it's wrong and that makes you a criminal and being a criminal is wrong. I'm saying just because something is against the law doesn't mean it's wrong. Taking drugs does not hurt anyone else, therefore it's not a crime. If an adult wants to take drugs then that is their choice. Simple as that. There shouldn't be any argument here if you valued other people's liberty.


No. Your argument was it's against the law and people die because of drugs. So? People die from Burgers. Ban burgers because people die from them? Are we going to get the parents of morbidly obese kids crying in court trying to sue McDonalds on the basis that McDonalds are driven by greed in making burgers easily available to vulnerable people? Don't be silly. People are responsible for their own actions.


I'm not sure what this has to do with not wanting the government locking people up for non-crimes. Theft is depriving someone of something. Somebody taking drugs doesn't hurt anyone else but possibly themself (and again, that's their choice).


Ron Paul seems to stand for liberty and people making their own choices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Eca-INIOw

He just said pretty much everything I've been saying. I'm starting to like this guy more and more. This really isn't about breaking any laws you want; it's about unjust laws that hurt nobody else. Can you tell me why you or anyone else should have a say in what drugs I may or may not want to take? This isn't an argument about wanting to rape or murder. I just don't want people to be punished for something that isn't a crime.


I'm not saying chuck out the whole system and only extreme anarchists believe that but the system is flawed and corrupt so the chances of getting anything done is slim. Why do we still lock people up for petty drug possession? America is a Corporatocracy so unless you have the money to do so you're not going to get anything done. If an industry does or doesn't want a law to pass then they just lobby the government with their millions and they get their way so they can profit from it.


Are you a socialist? You can still have all those things without any government intervention though.


No, don't be silly. What does this have to do with anything? Is that what justice would be to you? Would you be beating people up and smashing their property up for merely stealing your parking space if this was permitted? My entire argument is something isn't crime if it doesn't hurt or endanger anyone else. Beating someone up or trashing their property hurts them.


Laws should exist to stop others from hurting you or depriving you of something ie theft. Taking drugs doesn't fall under that. People should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies just as long as it's not hurting anyone else. That is my argument. Yours is don't let people do what they want with their own bodies. Gov does not have a right to tell me otherwise. Do you believe in freedom or a nanny state where the gov needs to tell you what is right and wrong and police every aspect of your lives?


How so? Are weak people not preyed upon in society now?



Drugs being illegal isn't going to stop this from happening. I'm sure you probably don't want your daughter drinking or smoking either. Are you proposing that the gov should ban cigarettes and alcohol? I mean, your daughter could get drunk and have sex or be raped. Regardless, if she wants to take drugs then that's her choice but she should be your responsibility until she's an adult, not the governments. You can't babysit her forever either as much as you probably want to.


Just because you're the majority doesn't mean you're right.



I'm not sure why anyone would want to belong to that group.


Fair enough. It's kind of ironic though  .


You're starting to sound quite disturbed. Is this the sort of thing you would be doing if drugs weren't illegal or you could get away with it?

Banned. Thanks.

You're mistaken about activity. If they delete their post they lose that activity so this wouldn't work. The only time you won't lose your rank is if you're a ledgendary (and possibly Hero). Farmers are probably just regurgitating things others have said before so that's why they might look similar.

True, but I don't think they should be allowed to exploit campaigns and the forum in such a way. It's not permitted to multi-post so neither should be regurgitating something you said on your several alt accounts all in a row.


Not from staff as far as I'm aware. I'll contact them about it shortly.

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I wouldn't. I wouldn't expect the state or anyone else to look after my kids or tell them what's right or wrong.


He might be a criminal in the eyes of the law but just because something is against the law doesn't necessarily make it immoral or wrong. It's against the law to be a homosexual or atheist in some countries. Taking drugs shouldn't be illegal just like cigarettes and alcohol and all the prescription drugs you can legally buy to kill yourself with aren't. Not sure why the state gets to sanction some but not others unless you believe State is God. Besides, people breaking unjust laws is how progress is made. Rosa Parks was a 'criminal' for refusing to give up her seat for a white person, but look what her actions caused: a direct change in law. Every time you take down a market like Silk Road 5 more pop up to replace it. It's a futile war they cannot win and they know that but one that continues by fear-mongering to the naive masses. Hopefully one day they will see sense but I'm not optimistic.





I don't know that much about Ron Paul but from a quick Google search it seems he kinda did say that:


https://newrepublic.com/article/94477/ron-paul-distorted-libertarian-ideology

There are dozens of schools of thought in libertarianism though, but if he was a true libertarian he should be all for individual freedoms which he at least claims to be. I kinda like his take on income tax as well (from the same article):


Whilst Ron Paul may or may not be a Libertarian, he's also a politician though and what he says and actually believes are entirely different things, but to even say something like  "drugs should be legal" would be political suicide. You can't even say "there's no God" as a politician in America because that would likely be the end of your career or certainly stop you from ever getting into the White House.


If I use drugs I'm a criminal in the eyes of the law but I'm not hurting anyone other than possibly myself but that's my choice. Ulbricht believed people should be able to buy and use drugs if they want and I agree with him in that respect. Places like Silk Road shouldn't need to exist in the first place but they do because of arcane and authoritarian laws.


And this is why democracy is a flawed system. Why should others get a say in what I can or cannot do with my own body? If I want to take drugs that's my business not yours or anyone else's and I certainly shouldn't be punished for it.


Barack Obama and George Bush are US citizens but they're not in prison for murder, corruption and war crimes. McDonald's and Coca Cola are also American companies with American CEOs but are they accessories to murder and responsible for all the people they kill? No. They don't force people to consume their products. If you want to kill yourself with a Big Mac or heroin that's your choice. The US government shouldn't have a say in that.


Your name should be ObeyAuthority. I'm surprised you buy this sort of thing because it's just a biased sob story to emotionally sway the jury. Ross didn't kill those people. Just as Smith & Wesson are not responsible for gun suicides or shootings, Ford is not responsible for people driving dangerously, and Coca Cola and McDonald's are not responsible for obese people giving themselves diabetes and heart attacks.

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Contact theymos or cyrus but don't pester them about it if you don't get a response. They're more likely to grant requests like this that are only minor changes but it's not a priority for them. I'm not sure why having your username in capitals is a big deal though. In fact, I'd say it's probably better in lowercase.

Threads are locked for all different reasons. Sometimes they've outlived their purpose or keep getting necrobumped with pointless replies, or they get taken over by sig spammers (or were just created by them in the first place to easily spam in).

Not unless theymos changes if for you, but there's no guarantee the new forum software will have a bigger character limit either.

Does Talking on Bitcointalk costs money?

No, but time = money. It will be quicker and easier for some sellers to just communicate via skype or whatnot especially if they're selling on multiple forums and sites which many will be (there's also the time/PM limitations here which are worse for new users). There's also a lot of time-wasters and sig spammers here. I've lost count of how many times I've seen people just ask questions like will you use escrow or ask pointless redundant questions even when they likely have no interest in what they're selling. At least people are less likely to waste your time or are more serious about what you're selling if they've gone to the effort of adding you on skype.

A fall guy for who? As far as I can tell it seemed to be largely a one-man operation and he was the architect from the very start right up until he got busted (though he did cowardly try pass the blame on to others to save his own skin).


There's no doubt they made an example out of him and the time he got was ridiculous for the charges, but if the murder for hire attempts were true (which to me they look like they were), then I lost pretty much all respect for him and if he's the type of person that will carry out hits then he deserves his time regardless of the charges they actually sent him down on.


I don't know about 'humanitarian' but his original ideology was libertarian and if he'd have stuck to that then I would have had a lot of sympathy for him but the power/money probably went to his head. I don't really buy the argument that drug dealers (or Ross) help destroy lives either (though they do knowingly break laws (whether you think those laws are just or not)). Nobody forces people to take drugs nor should it be illegal to do so and if people want to take drugs then they should be allowed to (but that's a whole other argument).


You can't really compare him to drug lords like Pablo Escobar either (disregarding the murder for hire charge a second). Escobar was responsible for the murders of thousands of people and would kill innocents if he thought he could take out one enemy. Escobar did also directly sell drugs, whereas Ross just facilitated their sale by creating a website to do so (whether you think that is right or wrong is down to personal opinion/politics).

Please don't double post or bump your thread more than once every 24 hours. You can edit the op or previous post with any additional info.


I really doubt this. If they were legit you would just sell them elsewhere for the full reseller value. Even half-decent fakes you can buy on alixpress or alibaba come with boxes and a fake 'receipt' as well. If you want to prove legitimacy here then use an escrow and let some others vouch for their authenticity.

It has been brought up before as was campaigns paying some sort of bond that they only get back if they run their campaign adequately. Wouldn't be against it necessarily but might be hard to enforce or more hassle than it's worth.

I PMd theymos asking if he's thought any more about the suggestion.

Right path to what? It's hard to fully understand what you mean and this is why people who can't speak English very well are a huge problem, especially when they're getting paid to post without any quality checks because it makes them post more whilst spending less time on their posts and sometimes on multiple accounts which exacerbates the issue exponentially. I am almost certain that this bitcoin forum will outlast any other though. In fact, I'd even be willing to bet on it. The only other way I could see another forum surpassing us in size of traffic would be if we banned signature campaigns outright and they allowed them as all sig spammers would quickly jump ship and migrate over to there, but if that did happen they'd soon rue the days when people could have quality discussion without armies of people who are solely there just to earn a bit of money as quickly and lazily as they can by spamming rubbish. Again, if someone has a problem with English then post in the local boards. If you don't know much about the technology behind bitcoin then don't post in tech threads. Pretty simple really. If you don't like the way this forum is run either choose another message board or create your own to run it the way you see fit. If your forum is clearly better than this one, then indeed; survival of the fittest and your forum will become the most popular.

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Please only bump your thread once every 24 hours and remove the previous bump when you do. Thanks.

The vast majority of FortuneJack users post like that because of their campaign terms:


It's quite obvious that there's a handful of users with multiple accounts just spewing out this rubbish one after the other in those sorts of threads. I asked cyrus to look into it a while back but never got a response. I'm starting to feel like we should have never created that Gambling Discussion sub in the first place and just locked/trashed everything that wasn't directly about bitcoin gambling because all those Sports Discussion threads are there 100% because of sig spammers, especially with the campaigns that made it mandatory that x amount of posts need to be in the Gambling section.

edit: Here's one list of alleged alts all on ~FortuneJack: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1540287

Signature campaigns were not around when satoshi was here so we have no idea what he would think of them or what his wish would be so the admins/staff run the forum the way they feel best. I'm still not sure what you want though. You want people to give people who don't know much about bitcoin or can't speak English very well a break and leave them alone?


What's the consensus here exactly? Whether you are non-English or non-technical is irrelevant. Nobody should be able to get away with making very poor posts solely for payment and that's something that needs to change.