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361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
Added you to the list and some others.

The list is growing. Please let me know so I can add your name to the list. I lost tons of money in AC and would like this to be fixed. The list so far:

AsiaCoin holders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)
Alpinist (200K AC)
Gambiman
Deathtoallptots (130K AC)
goldmann
bitsta (Lost 25 BTC)
ra1nb0wdash (Lost 3 BTC)
ApoloTwo (lost 10BTC or 20 BTC on it ( i am not sure). )





362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
The list is growing. Please let me know so I can add your name to the list. I lost tons of money in AC and would like this to be fixed. The list so far:

AsiaCoin holders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)
Alpinist (200K AC)
Gambiman
Deathtoallptots (130K AC)
363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 11:15:40 PM
More names added to the list.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)
Alpinist (200K AC)
Gambiman
Deathtoallptots (130K AC)


There are ways to fix this as suggested by TokyoGhetto and micryon.
364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 11:14:59 PM

there is a theoretical way to fix it.

but not practical. forget it.

Have some faith. There are tons of BTC lost in this endeavor. The community must come together and make this possible.
365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
More names added to the list.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)
Alpinist (200K AC)
Gambiman


There are ways to fix this as suggested by TokyoGhetto and micryon.
366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:55:46 PM
I would do the MintPal freeze as they are the first to do it before Cryptsy.
367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with

version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that

want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)
Alpinist (200K AC)
X-Laboratories


Quote from: tokyoghetto link=topic=566870.msg6530933#msg6530933

date=1399153777
You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin

can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden

premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It

happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

Quote from: tokyoghetto link=topic=566870.msg6531107#msg6531107

date=1399154678
by looking at the blockchain and the movement of the hidden premine you

can determine where the coins went and how many.




with the amount of people involved...it will be worth it. Rising like a phoenix from the ashes will actually generate more interest in the coin, people will be amazed at how communities can rally together in the face of adversity.

The exchanges will not ignore us, the amount of trading volume this coin brings is INSANE. We need to restore confidence. We will adapt and overcome.

Quote from: micryon link=topic=566870.msg6531436#msg6531436

Copying the blockchain would still require surgical removal of the premine transactions all the way through the blockchain.  So you have to do that work anyways.  At which point, there's no point in a new coin, unless it's just for a "rebrand".

Anyways I see 2 methods of fixing it:

  1) Allows use existing wallet.dat and db:
    - a) Pick a current block N, freeze things at that block (meaning any transactions after that is technically invalid)
    - b) Walk through blockchain from the beginning and trace the premine transactions all the way to current block N.
    - c) Find all addresses that have coins that originated from original premine transaction.
    - d) Hard code in the wallet file transaction accept code to BLOCK those addresses from allowing to send those transactions, greater than the amount of the bad "premine".
    - e) Compile, Release new wallet.

    - PRO: you don't have to delete your wallet.dat or db
    - CON: going to be some huge IF statements in the code somewhere..

  2) Allows use of existing wallet.dat (but throw away old db):
    - d) Do the same as above, except deviate from step d)
    - e) Derive a new list of addresses and their "real" coin amounts at block N
    - f) Code in the genesis block of a new chain, a distribution of those coins from this list.
    - g) Compile, Release new wallet.

    - PRO: more streamlined blockchain/db
    - CON: you need to force all users to delete their DB but NOT their wallet.dat (may be some confusion here).


368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:45:26 PM
Well, not entirely if they copy the blockchain.

Copying the blockchain would still require surgical removal of the premine transactions all the way through the blockchain.  So you have to do that work anyways.  At which point, there's no point in a new coin, unless it's just for a "rebrand".

Anyways I see 2 methods of fixing it:

  1) Allows use existing wallet.dat and db:
    - a) Pick a current block N, freeze things at that block (meaning any transactions after that is technically invalid)
    - b) Walk through blockchain from the beginning and trace the premine transactions all the way to current block N.
    - c) Find all addresses that have coins that originated from original premine transaction.
    - d) Hard code in the wallet file transaction accept code to BLOCK those addresses from allowing to send those transactions, greater than the amount of the bad "premine".
    - e) Compile, Release new wallet.

    - PRO: you don't have to delete your wallet.dat or db
    - CON: going to be some huge IF statements in the code somewhere..

  2) Allows use of existing wallet.dat (but throw away old db):
    - d) Do the same as above, except deviate from step d)
    - e) Derive a new list of addresses and their "real" coin amounts at block N
    - f) Code in the genesis block of a new chain, a distribution of those coins from this list.
    - g) Compile, Release new wallet.

    - PRO: more streamlined blockchain/db
    - CON: you need to force all users to delete their DB but NOT their wallet.dat (may be some confusion here).


+1. Are you a coder? If so, it would be awesome if you can help fix this. There is a huge community here bagholding.
369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with

version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that

want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672
syrota
AC2 (1.35 million AsiaCoin)


And see what TokyoGhetto said:

Quote from: tokyoghetto link=topic=566870.msg6530933#msg6530933

date=1399153777
You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin

can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden

premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It

happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

Quote from: tokyoghetto link=topic=566870.msg6531107#msg6531107

date=1399154678
by looking at the blockchain and the movement of the hidden premine you

can determine where the coins went and how many.




with the amount of people involved...it will be worth it. Rising like a phoenix from the ashes will actually generate more interest in the coin, people will be amazed at how communities can rally together in the face of adversity.

The exchanges will not ignore us, the amount of trading volume this coin brings is INSANE. We need to restore confidence. We will adapt and overcome.

370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:21:58 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina
jarserk
dirtypolecat
masterboy
nin7672


And see what TokyoGhetto said:

You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

by looking at the blockchain and the movement of the hidden premine you can determine where the coins went and how many.



See what micryon said:


There's a couple of ways to fix this to eliminate the premine, but it would be quite a bit of effort.  At minimum it would require some kind of transaction/block crawler script that would trace the premine and eliminate it from either a brand new blockchain (that is all valid minus the premine transactions), or through some huge If-statement baked into the new wallet code that blocks those "bad" coins.  Basically the equivalent of carefully orchestrated database rebuild...  So it's possible since the old code was archived, and we have the blockchain..

But then after that would require someone to rally all exchanges/multi pools.. create a new website, etc..

It will surely take some time.. and I'm not sure that it would all be worth it at this point due to the reputation damage to the coin.  
371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Does anyone find it extreamly lame that so many devs are out here to scam. I mean ya its such good money im sure most people would do it for a quick buck if they had the skills to develop cryptocurrency.

anyhow I think that even if ac2 comes out, the name ac would of have lost so much creditability that no one would buy into it again. does anyone agree with me? or do u still think coins like these will still have a good future ahead of them. I just feel like this is a repeat of wc. the value droped by half over night. in this case the ac value went from 1400 to zero.

does anyone agree?

It all depends. Hopefully the dev comes back with a fix, but if that doesn't happen then us bagholders will have to come up with a new solution to fix this.


Cryptosteam do not understand who has bough AC all afternoon :  it has been invested tons of BTC. Where are todays investors? Todays buyers just just weak hands or guys with some knowledge? this is important question at this point.

Yep. Tons of people bought it. At this point, we wait and see. In the meanwhile, I will keep adding people to the list.
372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:09:44 PM
If anyone wants to post here, please keep in mind that It's a AC forum  -Post only about Asiacoin. No advertisement of other coins and FUD

+1
373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:05:44 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian
bittcoinn
voisina


And see what TokyoGhetto said:

You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

by looking at the blockchain and the movement of the hidden premine you can determine where the coins went and how many.


374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 10:02:38 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden
probrian


And see what TokyoGhetto said:

You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

There are ways to fix this. Be patient and add your name to the list. We will form a new community.
375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:54:05 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
Wolden


And see what TokyoGhetto said:

You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.
376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
You guys don't need the dev to come back. Let him rot in hell. Asiacoin can still be saved. Create a new blockchain that destroys the hidden premine and have people exchange their coins to the new blockchain. It happened with ADT and with Federation Credits.

Get a bounty together and contact the developers.

Thank you TokyoGhetto.
377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
Maestro1
Xuorc
probrian
artem6662
Shkembe
378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:43:26 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
noobthegreat
EEKman (Lost 3K USD. I feel you. I lost tons myself)
379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
it's dead just let it go

go find something wrong with Cinnicoin so we can kill that next


You need to leave this thread. We all lost money and there is no need to keep kicking us down.
380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AC]AsiaCoin - Relaunch on: May 03, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
I'm one of the AsiaCoin bagholders. If the dev does not come back with version #2, then we will have to come up with solutions to fix this.

I'm going to start adding names to this list who are bagholders that want this fixed. I'll start with my name.

AsiaCoin Bagholders who wants to see a fix:

CryptoSteam
Nicolaas.R
silencesilence
bluebit25
WildChaser777
istop08
GröBkAz
Maxikosw (Maxikose on freenode irc)
hrt
cjp007
kache
minuchi.str
amit2007gunjan
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