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361  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: May 07, 2022, 05:27:31 PM
I've been GPU mining since early 2013 on and off, starting with a single Radeon HD 7850 video card, then multiple R9 270's during the Dogecoin boom, then with 200 GPUs (RX 570's and GTX 1060's) during the 2017-2018 ETH gold rush with help from outside investors. My business went bankrupt in late 2018 because a big investor pulled out after ETH started falling, we only got 200 cards instead of 1000+ so we defaulted on the lease, and I scaled back down to a single rig in 2019-2021.

But now, with my regular job (software development) allowing me to work fully remote, I'm really interested in moving to somewhere with cheap-ish power and opening a small warehouse again. Since I'm currently in NJ, I thought about upstate NY first, but I don't like the BitLicense crap and state income tax, plus it's the middle of nowhere. I also considered NH/MT because they have no sales tax, but I'm interested in having a real life outside mining. OR/WA have cheap power but are too far away timezone-wise, as my job is located in EST.

My primary destination would be the Dallas TX area, unless one of you can recommend a better state. It seems to be an up-and-coming destination for mining farms and Bitcoin people (should be easier to find investors), plus the regulators are nice. The heat could be a problem, but at least the climate is dry. The best power cost I can get on ONCOR seems to be 7.0¢ in total (5.2¢ energy, 1.8¢ demand). I'm hoping to get day-ahead pricing and lower the cost to 6.0-6.5¢ by shutting down during price spikes.

My initial budget is $60k: $50k for the equipment and $10k for the lease deposit/construction costs. I want to add $6k of equipment per month, for a total of $100k invested by EOY. Warehouse rent will cost $1400-$2000/month and I think I can get a 3PH 600A 240v supply for 200 kW of capacity (600 x 240 x 1.73 x 80%). I have the financial stuff, like how to avoid income tax & sales tax, under control thanks to my accountant.

However, with the uncertainty about ETH PoS, I don't want to buy GPU rigs again. I'm thinking of starting out with ASICs. I did some research and I think I can start out with 100 Antminer S9's for $380 each. With custom firmware, I could run them at 13.5 Th @ 1100w. Mining calculators are telling me each one could make $1.40/day of profit, which is a ~270 day payback period. Of course, BTC difficulty will keep growing and that margin will be squeezed and that doesn't account for other costs.

But I'm new to ASIC mining, so I'm worried about the following stuff:

  • 1: What would the failure rate be on these old S9's? I heard that ASICs die quicker than GPUs.
  • 2: Is 7¢ too high of a rate to get into ASIC mining, especially with Antminer S9s? If BTC price falls below $30k, the profit margin looks like it will be so low it will be unviable for me.
  • 3: How can I get insurance for this business that has the highest chance of paying out if there's a fire?
  • 4: Can I get away with installing 240v 6-20R outlets then plugging the PSUs directly into them to avoid the cost of PDUs? I used to have 30A L6-30R outlets.
  • 5: Is it worth mining with ASICBoost? Why isn't everybody doing it?
  • 6: Should I go with the Antminer L3 series instead? It seems they're selling for 1-year low prices and less of the revenue is spent on power.

Once ETH goes PoS, and I locked in a cheap power rate due to demonstrating that 100 kW of demand to the suppliers thanks to the Antminers, I would stop investing in new ASICs and start buying up cheap GPUs. I think that could be a great time to get into large scale GPU mining with older cards like the GTX 1000's / RX 500's, which should crash the most in price after the n00b GPU miners panic. At 6-7¢/kWh, it's probably a better long-term choice than ASIC mining.

Any recommendations from the seasoned ASIC operators? Should I just wait for PoS and stick to GPU mining because it's what I know best?

I'm a few hours north of Dallas in Oklahoma. My rate here is 4.3c per Kwh. Power is sourced hydro and wind so it's ESG friendly.  I'm literally looking over the damn/lake from my living room as I type this. I have about .5 Mw of capacity and can add more. I was going to do it and asics almost tripled in price and was no longer interested. I want to start a hotel of miners, I can go hands on if needed. lmk
362  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The risk of NOT actually owning your mining hardware. on: May 03, 2022, 04:44:44 PM
We have the solar angle here in NJ which makes it decent.

We may build in nearby PA in carbondale as we can get 1 megawatt at 4 cents, but it is coal based power.
IDK how you can get 4¢ in PA unless you have a special deal with a power plant. The best-case scenario in the PECO service area with PJM index pricing, primary service and curtailment seems to be 6¢. Most places are 7-8.5¢. I spent days researching this. The other utilities (WestPenn/PPL/PenElec) charge more than PECO.

At least that's better than Joisey, where the lowest possible price (with PSE&G) is 7¢ while most small warehouses are 8-9¢. It might even be a cent higher this year with all the crappy ESG riders that were added to the tariff. I had to pay a ridiculous 11¢ in 2018 with JCP&L but thank god that was for GPU mining; I decided to pay the higher rate because that warehouse already had 1200A of power installed instead of 400A. Screw FirstEnergy. Of course, I called the utilities to verify these numbers.

Delaware is as bad as NJ, but at least there is no sales tax on power or equipment.

In northern Texas for ONCOR you can subtract 2¢ from the PA numbers. With ERCOT index energy, curtailment (96% uptime) and 500+ kW of primary service, the rate for the last 12 months was 5.1-5.5¢. I coded up a script to pull historical ERCOT prices and consulted with an energy broker to verify these numbers. Ultimately it was a no-go decision for other reasons, but TX seems to be the best place to start a farm for me.

4.3 cents here in Oklahoma primarily wind and hydro. That why google is here and Northern Data is in the process of 250Mw facility.
363  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Setting up ASIC mining in India cutting 90% of the electricity cost on: March 17, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
Not wanting to negative to your idea but at this scale it isn't going to work financially, ever. No need to run the numbers as the recoup on that kind of investment would never happen in any meaningful way.

But take that cash investment and look at a hosted miner company that is located near cheap green power and get started now.

Bill
364  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Frequent Power Outage and Low voltage on: March 17, 2022, 03:35:00 AM
Hello,

I'm running a small ASIC operation where I live, and unfortunately we have consistent power outage daily that last for a few hours. And sometimes the voltage drop to 180V for a part of the day instead of the standard 220V.

My question is, will this affect the ASICs long term? I have had them running for a month now, and nothing major happened, except couple of fans failure (which I believe because of their quality).

Where do you live? They can fix that if they want to.  Getting them hosted could a viable option. Dunno what your situation it
365  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Looking for data center operators on: March 17, 2022, 03:21:48 AM
Hi,

we plan to start mining on our own. In the beginning we start with some dozens of the latest Antminers (not S19, currently) and plan to increase the number of units up to 500 within the next 3-6 month and some thousands within the next 12-24 month.
I need some help (i.e. with network hardware) to build a reliable infrastructure for such many units. Is anyone here, who can help with building a (private) mining data center?

Best

BTW: I do not want to talk about reliability.


I can do this. I've been datacenter engineer for 20 years almost. Power here in Oklahoma is cheap at 4.3 cents a Kwh and I know how to get cheaper 480 drops from the power company.  The is nestled basically between (miles) of 2 120Mw hydro's and purhase power agreement (PPA) with wind. I was going to do it myself but everything tripled over night and I got cold feet. But I still think it would be fun to head something like this up. The new hydro cooled bitmains with 3 phase power supplies looks like the way to go.

Billy
366  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: hire a engineer to build me cooling system like a fridge/freezer on: December 30, 2021, 07:49:53 PM
5500 watts equals approx 18.767 BTU's. Typical 24,000 BTU window unit would work or mini split system ideally. But the cost of the split system is conserable


367  Economy / Services / Container Hosting, Mid America, 4.3Kwh Hydro on: October 27, 2021, 04:45:55 PM
Location near Pryor Oklahoma home of the mega giant Google datacenter.

I was going to mine but ASIC prices are out of my comfort level.

I can host (containers) and land 300kw to your container via 480 3phase available immediately, more power easily available. Fiber available.

Additionally I can source containers and help you build it out (especially electrical) and some local support.

You are welcomed to come visit after a phone call.

I you need a larger facility I certainly could build it and run it but that's entirely different scope.

Thanks-you,

Billy


 

368  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: S19 Power Requirements on: October 27, 2021, 03:31:02 PM
So I'm planning for a small farm setup to accommodate 25 S19J Pro 100T in the beginning with room to expand up to 50 units in the near future
As per Bitmain, each unit draws about 3000w at 200~240v and the power supply has two inputs.
A 20amp circuit at 240v can handle up to 3,840w at 80% load
A 30amp circuit at 240v can handle up to 5,760w at 80% load
Considering this, is it safe to use 20 amp circuits for each antminer instead of going for 30 amp ? Thanks all

Cool cool, with that much power I can somewhat assume this will be a three phase power coming in. Three phase generally comes in at 208 pole to pole and 120 pole to neutral (WYE). If you bring in 480v you can get a 230 volt transformer but will loose the 120v capability (DELTA).  Personally I would run the delta config tapped a little over 240 volts. 

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