For non-Christians, replace "Lord", "Jesus" or "only King" with the "Laws of nature". So you don't think I am getting irrational here.

Because they didn't follow the 10 Commandments. One of which is have no other King or idol.

Read 1 Samuel 8 to know what the Lord thought of government.

We get a government because we can't follow the 10 Commandments. Thus we need to build our collective hell.

Congratulations to you sir (or friend). I pray you and your love ones are enjoying the gifts God has bestowed upon you.

You worked hard for many years to reach the success you attained.

Quote me a scripture. I posit your theological interpretation is incorrect. But let me reserve my conclusion until after I read what you've got in mind.


Mark 12:17
King James Bible
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.


Bottom-up is submitting to the only King. I am nearly certain you are conflating.

Life rewards those who don't waste time on revenge. Forgiveness is more efficient. We should always be creating and productive, not tearing others down, not even those who tore us down.


Luke 6:29-30 (ESV)
To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.

 Matthew 18:15-17 ESV

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Matthew 5:38-39 ESV

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I know. Thus, my theory is the NWO will protect them and bring them into the abyss "One for all, and all for one".

And thus we work on opt-out technology, e.g. anonymity since cash is going away.

This what top-down organization forces, a guaranteed collective hell. I will prefer bottom-up freedom.

Electronic stuff is just a game. You can still eat even you lose all your electronic digits. jesus said...

Matthew 6:25-34 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Put God’s Kingdom First

25 “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it. 26 Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are? 27 You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves. 29 But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers. 30 If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!

31 “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things. 33 What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need. 34 So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries.

Irrelevant since the FBI could still get involved any way, and even that is irrelevant if the intent of Polo attack was to acquire reputation insurance so he can rescind his attack.

Thank you James.

I have clarified that I am not saying that. And jl777 clarified that I clarified that.

I hope you don't get angry at me, because I know he threatened that which you are invested.

But I don't want to be a crime. I think we ought to leave everything as fair play that doesn't involve physical violence or physical force. I think electronic theft should not be a crime. I rather put the onus on each person to protect their assets.

I love freedom too much. Personal responsibility is the only way to have freedom.

Physical violence is different, because we don't want to live physically in a fortress.

Rpietila calculates that if crypto-currency can be used by even a small segment of the world's population, then the market cap has to rise to those lofty levels.

He genuinely believes that. It is not some ploy.

My disagreement with him is that there are other powerful interests trying to be the one to spread electronic money globally, e.g. Apple Pay, Paypal, and now even IBM is going to fork Ethereum.

Something amazing is going to happen, it just isn't clear yet whether we small investors can be part of it or not.

We developers need to do everything within our abilities to make it so.

So rpietila may or may not choose the correct horse and racetrack. But he will not be wrong about electronic currency taking over globally.

Edit: why do I defend rpietila? Because I dealt with him on silver trades in 2008/9, and I observed his ethics. He bent over backwards to make sure I was not harmed in deals, even those where his counter party screwed him over.

The best investments are the ones nobody tells you about.

So remember if ever you invest in something based on a sales pitch, always average in over a long period of time. Never rush.

If you have independently discovered an investment, that is often indicative that you are knowledgeable enough to decide whether to rush.

XMR and BBR are less than $3 million market caps. Bitcoin reached as high as $10 billion, and that wasn't any where near the potential of electronic money.

Which ever coin can get us to that potential, jump on board and ride. No need to bicker.

Let's keep working to help each other to figure out which technology and coin will do it. Marrying our investments, anointing, cheerleading, and turf battles won't make it so.

Time is scarce so those with programming skills, we will have to refrain from always talking.

P.S. CN devs and investors are understandably excited about the technology and the potential. We need to see how this all plays out. Nobody has a crystal ball on picking the winning details of crypto-currency. It is complex.

I hope we can create an anonymous world where they are not provable crimes.

Humans are always competing in any way they can. This is nature. Nature is not a crime. It just is.

No one forced you to invest. It is your job to discern fact from hype. Collective markets drive all this trolling because we think our gains are determined by cheerleading. I think most gains are determined by fundamentals. As Benjamen Graham said, " in the short term, the stock market behaves like a voting machine, but in the long term it acts like a weighing machine".

I am suffering from some stupid decisions in life that put me in situations of higher risk and thus now am blind in one eye, have an (supposedly incurable) infection which usually results in head and throat cancer and autoimmunity (peripheral neuropathy). I have symptoms indicating this is underway. So nature has been tough of me (but I fell lucky compared to Hal Finney), but I accept nature. I prefer my freedom (to destroy myself), than a guarantee hell of collective insurance.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
    US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)

http://www.sigmasociety.com/sigma_teste/sigma_teste_eng.asp


Note I wrote my solution for question #22.

And that is another reason I didn't really want to get involved. Because I could be implicated in conspiracy theories.

The reasons I stated privately for accepting the challenge were as quoted from my PM.

We don't know until we have a simulation. It is possible we do nothing, because also for example there is the wrinkle of Sybil attack. I will not say more. Let's not give advice to a potential attacker in public messages. Let them work on it.

Only from my paranoid mind. Apologies. I've had a rough life, and have been backstabbed so many times in life...

I made the point that no matter how much computation my algorithm requires, CN coins will have to devote as much computation to it as an attacker can. Because afaics the only way to mitigate the attack, is to precompute the combinatorial intersections and disallow such combinations of inputs in rings before they can occur.

Thus I am thinking this computation will need to become part of the PoW. I am expecting CN will have all the mining clients computing the mitigation.

The caveat is that if the algorithm finds negligible senders in known realistic computational power, then my algorithm can be ignored. I doubt it.

I think you are referring to a username that ends with 88 and not me. For the record, I didn't want to get involved because I didn't like expending effort then being dependent on promises about a bounty. I try to avoid conflict by being in control of my own destiny at all times. I really, really, really hate being dependent on what other people do.

So when jl777 asked me if I could go deeper and try to find the attack, I really wanted to tell him no. Because I don't have the resources nor the desire to mount an attack to force my maximum restitution. But jl777 is such a nice guy, and he did offer 5 BTC, so I felt obligated to try. Once I had found something, I spoke with smooth, jl777, and crypto0_zoidbery (cc'd to rpietila and tacotime) about the terms of the 10 BTC bounty. We agreed that if I showed there is a vulnerability for which they don't already have a mitigation underway, then I get the bounty. Once they agreed, I proceeded.

So when rpietila and fluffypony seemed to indicate that I had found nothing, I felt they were trying to spin what I had provided to them, that is why I got pissed off. Then they explained to me that was not the case and they were awaiting further clarification on whether I had really found something or not. And that my effort is appreciated.

I had not provided to them running code for an attack. I have only provided pseudocode. And my latest insights were written in 3 paragraphs and not yet incorporated into the pseudocode. Smooth sees my algorithm can in theory find the sender of some of the rings. What is not clear is how it will perform. Will it take 1 million years to find 1 sender? I don't think so, but the math of the algorithm seems difficult to quantify. I suggested we code it and run it. I told smooth I can't do all the work, because that wasn't the terms of the 11 BTC bounty and frankly I've paid other programmers and earned myself $300 per hour. I for example paid Jeff Stock (former main programmer of Borland C), $30,000 for one week of work in 2000 on my CoolPage software. I explained to smooth that I didn't want to put a lot more work in without knowing from them what is the limit of my contribution so I can be paid, move on with my other work, and they can take it forward from there.

So now I am waiting for the feedback from smooth after he consults with everyone involved.

I would code it if I had a good understanding of the CN blockchain format. I don't. My attack is purely from a conceptual basis. So I think it is best I write the pseudocode only and they code and test it. If they feel they need to lower the bounty they pay me, then I want them to tell me now, before I do further effort on it.

Any way, what ever happens I want to move on asap. I hope we can find an outcome that delivers mutual respect, delivers value to CN, and everyone is happy.

I hope rpietila can afford 11 BTC. Actually jl777 offered 5 BTC, crypto_zoidberg 1 BTC, and rpietila et al 5 BTC.

I am not begging for money. It is a matter of principle only. If my algorithm fails testing, then I am owed nothing.

Fierce competition coming from the Chinese:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/09/absolutely-fascinating-1999-video-of.html