Cant you setup an investment club then pool your money in hardware ?
As long as you appoint officers and hold meetings etc I dont see an issue.
I once was on a investment club board, and under US security law there can only be 100 partners of the investment club. Also, there cannot be any 'public' requests for investments. I also like the idea of just renting mining power. People rent server space all the time for a fee and make money off their websites. I don't see why people can't rent something that mines bitcoins. |
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Signed a binding agreement with them for a specific price after doing a full survey of everything. After the truck was fully loaded, they added another grand to the total and said they would SELL MY FURNITURE if I didn't pay.
Sry I know this doesn't belong here but I just had to vent somewhere. Everything's a scam
BA out
Did they pack up your guns too? |
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I have about 25 to 30 BTC there in bonds..... I wont give out my private info (i think he already has my name from the email adress i used to sign up)
Whats next ? How do i get the BTC back?
I have no clue how many bonds of each "company" i own...
Is everyone in the habit of not keeping records of their sales and purchases? How do you know if you make a profit? |
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I just had a call with James, and he has said that there should be a way to claim what yours on GLBSE within a day, and everything in terms of shareholder info and people getting their btc back should be resolved this week.
He definitely could have closed the exchange a bit more gracefully, but according to him, he doesn't want to hold the high amount of liability he has attained any longer.
So let's stop the fud for a bit, and see how this week goes.
Best of luck to everyone involved,
Garrett
Notice he said when you can make a claim, but nothing about when things would be returned. Take the estimate and multiply by 2-5. This is more realistic as most people usually overestimate their ability or quickness. |
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login has been disabled again. it now says Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes. It probably got ddos'd with ass pics. I really hope so, this really makes me smile. |
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Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions.
From what theymos has posted, BG has fuck all funds which are not user/asset issuer funds. If the shareholders (who are really just partners) were willing to front the cost of legal action themselves, they could pursue legal recourse, but there's no guarantee they'd recover their out-lay or that any action would be rapid. This is the kind of situation where it's great if you have a lawyer on stand-by ready to file an emergency motion the moment the shareholders' meeting ends but no-one had that foresight. The only income Nefario had was getting paid from GLBSE. It would be pretty pointless. You seem to still trust what Nefario says. The funny part is bitcoinglobal paid for the lawyer he went to see so in effect it paid for its own destruction.
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Now what?Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes. surprise, surprise.  |
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Maged,
I believe if I don't get claim codes (or whatever they are) for the assets I hold, then shareholders of BitcoinGlobal should all get scammer tags. What do you think?
I disagree. However, I would agree that the ones that are preventing BitcoinGlobal from relieving Nefario of the database would deserve the tag, assuming they have accounts here. Of course, that would be after giving Nefario a reasonable amount of time to send claim codes, himself. Nefario is requesting personal information from former GLBSE users to close their accounts and get any bitcoins/assets back. Are you suggesting I send personal information to someone listed as a scammer by bitcointalk moderators? Theymos stated that the bylaws of BitcoinGlobal are enforceable on bitcointalk forums, but they can't be enforced unless the shareholders of BitcoinGlobal are released. Also, the shareholders will not oust Nefario from CEO of BitcoinGlobal unless they are pressured to do so with the threat of ostracization from the bitcoin community. If the BitcoinGlobal shareholders deserve a scammer tag for not voting to get him to give up the database, by extension Theymos deserves a scammer tag for not releasing the shareholders names as he is aiding their scamming. We tried voting him out as ceo but some people refused to vote. First, the minutes have not been release backing up this fact. Two, the few lines to back it up have been recorded as "shareholder 1"/ "shareholder2". People need to be properly identified if you are going to make this assertion. There is really no evidence proving who voted for what. So in all actuallity it could be all the shareholders that want to keep nefario as CEO. Also, if people are not present for the vote, their vote does is counted. Motions do not pass with 51 or 67% of all shareholders, it only passes with 51 or 67% of shareholders present at the meeting. If you tell me nefario wrote the bylaws for BitcoinGlobal I would not be surprised. It is like a constitution from a university club. |
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1) He wasn't clear that he was selling shares for other people as well.
Maged, I do think that the knowledge that more than one shareholder was trying to sell their stake in GLBSE would likely have affected people's confidence in the exchange. When people thought that theymos was the only one selling his stake and that he was doing so for ideological reasons, it was reasonable to assume that there was a unity of purpose among the remaining shareholders. People may well have made different decisions about doing business with GBLSE if that theymos was not the only shareholder looking to bail out. While I know that the "private company" line has been trotted out, more information about the shareholders would have been publicly available if GBLSE was in fact a private company. People could have pulled the Company House documents and confirmed for themselves who the office-holders are, who the office-holders are, the paid up capital, etc - people have done exactly that in respect of Intersango (an actual privately owned company) in the past. I do think that not informing people that other share-holders were looking to divest their equity in GLBSE may have led to users retaining a level of confidence in GLBSE which was unwarranted and that the loss of confidence which would likely have followed disclosure of full truth would have been reflected in prices of not just GLBSE's stock but also the stock of its asset-issuers. The information that BitcoinGlobal is not even a legal company and shareholders do not have no authority is very damning. |
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Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
We would, but we have no way of bypassing Nefario. I don't believe our bylaws would be legally recognized, so legal action probably wouldn't be effective. And we don't have enough operating funds to pursue legal action anyway. Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions. |
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Maged,
I believe if I don't get claim codes (or whatever they are) for the assets I hold, then shareholders of BitcoinGlobal should all get scammer tags. What do you think?
I disagree. However, I would agree that the ones that are preventing BitcoinGlobal from relieving Nefario of the database would deserve the tag, assuming they have accounts here. Of course, that would be after giving Nefario a reasonable amount of time to send claim codes, himself. Nefario is requesting personal information from former GLBSE users to close their accounts and get any bitcoins/assets back. Are you suggesting I send personal information to someone listed as a scammer by bitcointalk moderators? Theymos stated that the bylaws of BitcoinGlobal are enforceable on bitcointalk forums, but they can't be enforced unless the shareholders of BitcoinGlobal are released. Also, the shareholders will not oust Nefario from CEO of BitcoinGlobal unless they are pressured to do so with the threat of ostracization from the bitcoin community. If the BitcoinGlobal shareholders deserve a scammer tag for not voting to get him to give up the database, by extension Theymos deserves a scammer tag for not releasing the shareholders names as he is aiding their scamming. |
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GLBSE was a product created by BitcoinGlobal. BitcoinGlobal is an "Internet corporation" not registered anywhere. I believe that from the standpoint of the law, Nefario is sole proprietor of GLBSE and BitcoinGlobal doesn't exist. But BitcoinGlobal's bylaws can be enforced by this community. CEO: Nefario Secretary: ColdHardMetal Accountant: ColdHardMetal Treasurer: Me Nefario's supporters are decent enough people. I don't want to open them up to harassment by releasing their names. You can't enforce BitcoinGlobal's bylaws unless you release the other shareholders names. If you are unwilling to do that then the only confirmed shareholders of BitcoinGlobal is: Nefario, ColdHardMetal, you, and bitcoin.me |
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Garr, GLBSE is now requiring information from users to close their accounts and receive bitcoins/assets. Are you willing to enter that information? It requests email address, bitcoin address, and an agreement to share this contact information with asset issuers. The next page requests: Verify account
To comply with money laundering regulations we must ask you to submit documents for proof of your address and identity.
Picture of your ID
Please provide a clear picture of your photo ID. For France, Germany, Spain, and English speaking countries ID cards, Passports and drivers licences are accepted, for everywhere else only passports are accepted.
User picture
Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.
Proof of address
Please provide a clear(unaltered) picture of proof of address. Tax statements or utility bills are accepted. This must clearly show your name (same as that on your ID) and address, it must also be dated within the last 3 months.
Not accepted are bank statements or bills issued electronically Here is the forum discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117539.0I am also requesting the release of all shareholder names of BitcoinGlobal, the parent company of GLBSE, but theymos is not willing to do that. Since they cannot keep control of their AWOL CEO, Nefario, I believe all shareholders of BitcoinGlobal should receive scammer tags until some settlement or all coins/assets are returned. |
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Maged,
I believe if I don't get claim codes (or whatever they are) for the assets I hold, then shareholders of BitcoinGlobal should all get scammer tags. What do you think?
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Theymos,
I think you need to start charging more for the bitcointalk advertisements. With Nefario gone AWOL and you the acting BitcoinGlobal treasurer unwilling to release any other shareholder information, you will be held responsible.
Its not right to release them unless they come forward themselves. The BitcoinGlobal shareholders can't keep their CEO from stealing the GLBSE database so why not release their names? |
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Before anyone gives up personal information to a stranger and registered scammer, they should ask what legal authority BitcoinGlobal has in requesting this information: Haven't seen that request, but if they're requesting personal information there's a few points they need to clear up first:
1. If the information is for AML purposes then which AML supervisor are they registered with? In the uK there's about 8 different supervisors, depending on the nature of your business (IF your business is one subject to the AML legislation). The obvious one for them would be the FSA (which covers financial service providers) but there ARE others (e.g. casinos have the gambling/gaming commission). If they're requesting information for AML purposes then they need to be registered with one of the designated supervisory bodies.
2. If it's for AML purposes then a link please to their AML compliance policy.
3. If not for AML purposes then what is this information going to be used for? And how long will it be retained for? This is information they're obligated to provide under the Data Protection Act.
4. Irrespective of the answers above, link please to their DPA compliance policy/statement?
5. Can GLBSE please confirm that they have professional indemnity insurance covering them against loss or misuse of clients' data.
6. What is their intention in respect of anyone who refuses to provide the documents but requests their funds returned? Will they just keep the money? Report them as a suspected money launderer? Turn their BTC over to the police?
As soon as I receive the request referred to in OP I'll be emailing requesting the above information (can't check my email right now - assume that's where it is). If they refuse to answer the questions but persist in requesting the information then I will next send a formal request for my funds (providing my name/address but not giving any documents which would allow identity theft).
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I dont have an ID nor a utility bill and I get my mail at a PO box.
I dunno whats going to happen to the bitcoins that are left over.
I thought you were one of the shareholders of BitcoinGlobal? |
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I think an incompetent lawyer scared Nefario into this. Anyhow, I will provide my information once GLBSE provides privacy policy outlinining how they collect, use, and safeguard such information. Other than that, I have no problem with AML.
This is what James McCarthy will do. He will give all the identification information to his lawyer so when the FSA comes knocking he can claim these are the people responsible not you. How do you know he is not going to link your personal information to any issuers that were selling pirate accounts? How do you know he is even going to give you any of your bitcoins or claim codes to you after you send in your personal information. Is sending the information even through encryption because I see https on their site, but there is no 3rd party confirming the SSL certificate. Instead you should hold the other shareholders liable for what you want. Nefario is one guy part of the BitcoinGlobal organizaiton that theymos is claiming went AWOL. Theymos and the rest of the mystery shareholders can refund the bitcoins or claim codes to us. |
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Theymos,
I think you need to start charging more for the bitcointalk advertisements. With Nefario gone AWOL and you the acting BitcoinGlobal treasurer unwilling to release any other shareholder information, you will be held responsible.
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When did GLBSE become reddit with this hold a picture of a sheet of paper, so dumb.
Maybe nefario found his lawyer on reddit. I wouldn't be surprised with this group. |
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