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I'm done. You erased a legitimate answer in your other thread about "darkcoin / scam" and it's obvious you seek not the truth. Rather you want to portray a single-sided version of dirt aimed at x11, darkcoin etc. So be it - do what you have to.
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Let's get back to the x11 merits above all other algos.........as yet nothing still.
Really if you don't have any benefits to list at all there is no point saying anything is there?
When I wrote an entire list, you skipped it, went to end and said "what? better than quark? Ohhh nooooo" and that was the end of it. So, I'll just post a link this time: http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/X11He doesn't want to be bothered with facts, they derail his agenda thread. Obvious troll is obvious... |
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Let's get back to the x11 merits above all other algos.........as yet nothing still.
Really if you don't have any benefits to list at all there is no point saying anything is there?
When I wrote an entire list, you skipped it, went to end and said "what? better than quark? Ohhh nooooo" and that was the end of it. So, I'll just post a link this time: http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/X11 |
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Quoting stuff to reply to your BS accusations = harassing. Lol?
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rather than being a snotty little cunt ... Dude, please spare us of this kind of language. Make your points without resorting to it. That's all he can do. He has no point as anyone can download an x11 cpu miner and confirm on their own that it uses 100% cpu with the proper -t setting (threads)... eg -t 8 for 8 threads, -t 2 for 2. But even if, hypothetically, it took 50% cpu, one would simply load two instances and be at 100%. |
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Why not DGW or Digishield? Too new... KGW fully tested.
...fully tested and confirmed that it suffers from time-warp exploitation that requires fixing. Exchanges are even removing KGW coins. |
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Actually I have a "better miner" but only a couple percent more and as far as my own card (series 58xx) is concerned. Thing is, I don't know if its better for everyone. I gave replication instructions earlier, don't know if anyone tried it though: on sph-sgminer, /kernel/darkcoin.cl, between line 263 and 264 you add #pragma unroll 1 => for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
H[u] ^= xH[u];
#pragma unroll 1
for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 8; u ++)
hash.h8[u] = DEC64E(H[u + 8]);
...you then recompile the program, del all .bin files and rerun the program. Report the hashrate and your card. You can also try this a bit higher (between line 243 and 244) where it says: for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
g[u] = m[u] ^ H[u];
and do it like this: #pragma unroll 1
for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
g[u] = m[u] ^ H[u];
...but try them one by one, not together and see what happens. Always recompile the app + del the .bins.This is actually "de-optimizing" as unrolled loops are usually faster, but it just so happens to run faster for me, for whatever reason. #pragma unroll 1 declares no loop unrolling (theoretically slower, faster in practice). I'm curious on what it does for others. BUMP: Has anyone tried the above tweak in a series 7xxx / r9 card to check how much faster or slower it might go? |
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I have v0.9.1.0-g47802b4-beta / linux x64... Initially it opened 3 connections and was stuck. As soon as it loaded the fourth connection, fifth connection etc, it rolled into updating the latest blocks. It took ~2 mins.
For win wallets, check a page or two back, there was an update.
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The thing is that there is no alternative to the US dollar so the situation will remain until there is. Think about it, gold is not practical and there is not enough of it.
The money in circulation (coins/paper) for usd+eur are in the 2.5trn usd range. If you go the M3 route, it's somewhere near 25 trillion usd. Above ground gold at 180ktons and a price of 40mn per ton is like 7.2trn usd in worth. With a revaluation of gold at 10x (as demand will skyrocket for monetizing it) we are talking about 72 trn usd for above ground quantities, half of which is investment grade gold (bars, bullion coins etc). So there's plenty of gold. And there's also plenty of silver and platinum that can also be monetized - as has been done historically. |
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Historically, nations enjoying the status of issuing the world's reserve currency became great and wealthy empires - however this luxury never lasts forever and all of these empires imploded more or less after losing this status.
Historically, gold was the world's reserve currency. Gold coins from the "top" nations were more widely circulated and accepted because of their reputation, but other than that, it was worth precisely the same as any other gold coin of the same weight and composition. For example in the 19th century, whether one was trading in gold sovereigns (uk), gold francs (france), gold rubles (russia) or gold dollars (usa), it was all the same. No country in particular enjoyed any advantage due to minting a globally recognized coin. The ratio between these coins was pretty much fixed due to the content/composition they had. If a country wanted to devalue they had to lower the metal content or weight of their national coin. The monopoly-type-money scam and the huge benefit of its issuer in global affairs is a rather new phenomenon. |
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Wait, so you can making money from hosting a node? Can anyone do this? Sorta sounds like POS on steroids if you ask me  The concept is this: Master nodes, are in effect the decentralized "laundry" nodes where the mixing takes place. It has been suggested that the cost to run one should be high enough that large entities that want to map the network do not saturate it, so a requirement of ~1000 DRK will probably be programmed as a requirement to run a node. Now, as a form of incentive for running the node (and compensation for having associated costs + potential risk to one's 1k DRK) it has also been suggested that aside from transaction fees these nodes could be getting like 10% of the mining output per block, given to the last node which processed a DarkSend. This would allow honest people to run nodes due to the incentive, instead of allowing the network to be saturated by controlled nodes from an entity hell bent on mapping the entire network. The DarkSends will probably be processed by multiple nodes, so even if one is controlled by an entity wanting to monitor transactions and the next node is not controlled = the monitoring breaks. Now in terms of economy: If, say, 3m coins are produced a year, 300k will go to DarkSend Nodes. If there are 300 nodes with 1k invested, it could make these 300k => 600k within a year, with no mining, but simply contributing a node. It's an interesting new way to make money by having the incentive to provide a mixing service while also gaining "interest" for investors/bagholders etc. This could be large in the future. It's actually proof of work (work=mixing) but also requires a stake to participate. |
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Next lets acknowledge the fact that it came out in January 2014 right ?
And when it was released it did not have a GPU miner.. at least not one the public could use (fishy Quark gpu miner bullshit reeks on that)
So when it was released it was being paraded around as an EFFICIENT cpu only coin.. far more than other algos
No it wasn't. That's out of your head. CPU use and consumption is 100%. No "efficiency" in CPUs. What "parading" are you talking about? Can you find a single link that the coin promoted x11 as a cpu-energy efficient coin? You can't because no such thing exists. WHEN it did not even use the max CPU usage on many miners.. So the comparison on that is simply ridiculous to say the least.
Many miners = just you who don't know how to -t number of threads. Later GPU's were added to mien X11 as the dev ASKED FOR ! and then it was still listed on pages such as the CPU-ONLY coin listing topic etc
The title was changed after the GPU client was developed with the money from the bounty (>3000 DRK that phm got to develop darkcoin sgminer, now known in its second incarnation as sph-sgminer) all the while still paraded around as a cpu ONLY coin and getting new users because of it AND the gpu miner was only added to the ANN page
because i harassed the hell out of them on their ANN topic about it which the dev ignored even though i know he seen me pointing it out
and only added it after this topic here has been on page 1 for days.. he had to add it now he was trapped in scammy bs !
=> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.2020& https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.2040See up to some point the answers are for: February 15, 2014, 03:29:17 AM Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (pre-alpha) | CPU only | KGW | Mandatory Update! and then within the next page or so it changes to: Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW and Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant All time stamped. And i have shown how pretty much every point / claim the Dark coin "team" is crap.. on their topic a while back before this one was made.
I was bullied and ignored and attacked with rabid fanboyism.
You are using idiotic points as "arguments". Like the 60% cpu use in cpu miner in x11. You are self-admiring your hacking knowledge and coding etc etc and you don't even know how to mine. |
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nice advertisement but you repeated the same old bs we have already heard..
i call bullshit on you because i went and downloaded you miner and tried with a pool and i got between 60 and 83% cpu usage on my haswell i7 4770k cpu.
You are the only one who've ever reported non-100% cpu use with x11 cpu miners. And instead of listening to my comment that you are bullshitting, you are making a fool of yourself. Try -t (number of threads) to fill the cpu with job in its threads. that proved your full of shit.
you can NOT compare your shitty cpu miner hashing mess running at 60% cpu usage with a scrypt miner running at 100% cpu usage.
sorry that is concrete irrefutable crystal clear proof your flat out plain and simple WRONG !
Everyone who has ever mined X11 with cpu, knows you are lying when you say that it doesn't use 100% cpu. claim no.1 busted.
and then we can dig into the rest of it lol
when one algo is maxing out my cpu and one is not that is a notable point.
further more you are comparing X11 shit to what ? scrypt ?
so what will happen if i make a coin based on the MD5 hashing algo ? ..using 12% cpu usage ? LOL
Continuing the idiocy. I bet i know more about this stuff than you do so called dev..
Yes, so much that you don't even know how to set threads in your mining client. |
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thats the whole point of this thread... majority of ppl are not computer programmers and can't prove it... we are asking for professionals to speak up and debunk the speculation with facts or prove the speculation with facts. we cant prove it... can YOU prove otherwise? probably not
not looking for answers like 'it runs cooler so it uses less electricity'
It is an interesting characteristic of the cryptocommunity that while most of us are at least power-users with PCs (otherwise even the concept of mining would seem "hard"), few of us are programmers and a very tiny percentage of us are programmers + cryptography experts so that we can understand what is going on in the mechanics of the whole system. The lack of programming talent is serious around this place. I mean even most coin "devs" can't code. |
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Actually I have a "better miner" but only a couple percent more and as far as my own card (series 58xx) is concerned. Thing is, I don't know if its better for everyone. I gave replication instructions earlier, don't know if anyone tried it though: on sph-sgminer, /kernel/darkcoin.cl, between line 263 and 264 you add #pragma unroll 1 => for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
H[u] ^= xH[u];
#pragma unroll 1
for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 8; u ++)
hash.h8[u] = DEC64E(H[u + 8]);
...you then recompile the program, del all .bin files and rerun the program. Report the hashrate and your card. You can also try this a bit higher (between line 243 and 244) where it says: for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
g[u] = m[u] ^ H[u];
and do it like this: #pragma unroll 1
for (unsigned int u = 0; u < 16; u ++)
g[u] = m[u] ^ H[u];
...but try them one by one, not together and see what happens. Always recompile the app + del the .bins.This is actually "de-optimizing" as unrolled loops are usually faster, but it just so happens to run faster for me, for whatever reason. #pragma unroll 1 declares no loop unrolling (theoretically slower, faster in practice). I'm curious on what it does for others. |
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You can calculate your daily profit at the private calculator: https://cointweak.com/calculator/coin/drkCoin Difficulty Coin reward/day Exchange rate BTC Exchange rate USD Revenue/day Days to create 1 BTC
Darkcoin 476.7400 2.28491832 Cryptsy ฿0.00141435 0.633470267806 ฿52.12462 $1.45 309.44 Is it possible to track the avg diff of the last 24hr + the avg block reward and then autopropose these two values? Because with dynamic diff + block rewards, calculations can be way off with a static value. |
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please stop preaching the security of a chained algo. chained algos are only as strong as their weakest link so if one of the algost piled on top of eachother in x11 breaks the whole chain breaks.
So Quark is 6 times more vulnerable than, say, Bitcoin? |
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[1. is it better than the QRK algo = NO you can not say that it is.
how do you answer more algos = more orphans?
DRK has like 2.5m block and QRK has, what? 30 secs? And your problem is the hash type? Seriously?  Ok thanks that settled it.
Now then yes a lot of the other things you have brought up are interesting and true even....but essentially do not answer any of the questions we really need to know.
"We"? LOL. Yes, I'm sure there's a crowd out there waiting to hear that x11 can split the Nile water in two. |
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Cryptohunter, let's cut the bullshit and please just tell us which coin you own and that you would advise others to buy so that you can enjoy your pump. The "this algo stinks", "this coin is a scam" etc are just the ritual for getting there. So let's just get to the end and bypass the ritual...
Tell us:
What coins do you own?
What do you advise others to buy (directly, not descriptively so that we can "figure it out")?
Well i own about 100 coins... so difficult for me to pump them all at once... i have mined nearly every single coin on launch and for some reason neglect to sell them. Don't try to derail this thread. It is not to focus on a single coin. You already have your mind made up and you pretend to ask in order to be informed so that you can end up repeating your own pre-formed conclusions. X11 - does it have any clear advantages over what we had before or not... so far NOT.
1) Less energy for GPU = happy miners 2) More secure as it doesn't rely on the integrity of a single hash. It does not have a single point of failure approach, so to speak. Otherwise quark itself, as you point out in your questions, is useless - we could all be happy with 1 hash. 3) Coins with >1 hashes are diversification tool against the risks that single-hash coins have. Whether 2 hashes or 10 hashes, it's open to individual preference. 4) CPU friendliness as the rate of acceleration is not tremendous compared to GPUs (so far). From what I see in the miner, it uses the standard crypto libraries which should be pretty efficient by themselves - as they also include a number of built in optimizations. 5) Cheaper ASICs than scrypt-type coins when the algo goes to ASIC stage (all gpu mineable hashes will get to this point if the coins are profitable), due to requiring less RAM. Cheaper ASICs = more decentralization possible. Now, if you are a crybaby, you can always take something and spin it any way you want. For example enhanced security could be called a problem because it creates lag. Yeah I mean that's why people don't use 1 letter passwords. Sure they could login faster if they used them, but their security would be at risk. And if Bitcoin used a lesser hashtype, it would be faster but less safe. So what? Likewise about the cpu / gpu friendliness, one can say "great this is closer to the bitcoin ideal" and another one can say "this is a botnet coin". The same is true for the GPU energy... one says "oh that's great" another one whines about the optimization level. Anyway i'm not here to discuss coin investments, i am here to examine x11. That is it.
Yes, I'm sure you are. People in here started saying all kind of crap about "hype" and stuff, when there's been so little promotion about it. It's just that miners started finding out about the reduced power consumption in a period where scrypt profitability is borderline pathetic when contrasted with elevated electricity costs. That's all. And probably because of that, it will be adopted by another 10-20-30 coins. Who cares? Is it the best hashing algorithm that man ever invented? No. Is it ASIC proof - in that ASICs will never be developed for it? No. Is it the fastest in its verification? No. Is it fully optimized? No, since its new. Will there be other coins that branch from X11 into X12 or reverse sequence of the hashes? Yes. It actually happened since day one (chaincoin taking X11 and reversing the order of two hashes). So? Will you be here examining X12, X13 and X33 also? And finally: Is it better than scrypt or sha256? It depends on how you define better and what your priorities are. There is no definite answer, since we do not live in a black and white world. And that also answers if it is better than Quark. |
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Cryptohunter, let's cut the bullshit and please just tell us which coin you own and that you would advise others to buy so that you can enjoy your pump. The "this algo stinks", "this coin is a scam" etc are just the ritual for getting there. So let's just get to the end and bypass the ritual...
Tell us:
What coins do you own?
What do you advise others to buy (directly, not descriptively so that we can "figure it out")?
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