Whether it's been planned out or developed over time, the guy isn't going anywhere just because his 11-day old copper account just got red-tagged and flagged.  Keep a look-out for another newbie making some legit deals with established members to farm some trust, and odds are you'll have your next Telegram scammer.

The only thing I can find that's legit about Investbox, is that it's legitimately a scam!  The wording of the little literature they provide about the service is a contradiction in itself.  "InvestBoxes can change status from Active to «No coins», but you can close your investment any time, it’s 100% safe."  WTF?  If the "status" can go to "No coins" it isn't 100% safe.  It isn't even 1% safe.

Then there's the issue of that pesky thing called math.  There is no way they can sustainably pay the kinds of returns they advertise.  Even if you take the lowest percentage investment; from 0.01 to 10 bitcoin at 0.1% daily, you'd be making 43% a year.  If you were to take their highest paying straight percentage "investment;" 1 billion X10 tokens (which Yobit claims to be worth 220BTC) at 12%, after one year you would have 181 quintillion bitcoin.  Seem hard to believe?  That's because it's impossible.

Below is a list of the "investments" they offer which have "action," and their percentages.  

||.Coin	|| Percent ↑	|| Period	|| MinInvest	|| MaxInvest	|| Action	||
||.LIKE	|| 2*(1+Yo/20)%	|| Daily	|| 9000	|| 9000000	|| LIKE/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIKE	|| 2*(1+Yo/20)%	|| Daily	|| 9000	|| 9000000	|| BTC: 10 ds + 0 LIKE sells	||
||.X10	|| 0.12	|| Daily	|| 10000	|| 1000000000	|| 10 Yo Tokens	||
||.LIZA	|| 0.1	|| Daily	|| 2	|| 10000000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIZA	|| 0.1	|| Daily	|| 2	|| 10000000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.SKYMAX	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 50000	|| 50000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.SKYMAX	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 50000	|| 50000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.LAMBO	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 230	|| no	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LAMBO	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 230	|| no	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.TRIX	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 2000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.LIMBO	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 270	|| no	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIMBO	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 270	|| no	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.AIR	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.AIR	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR: 10 ds + 0 air sells	||
||.PONY	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 10000	|| 20000000	|| 2 Yo Tokens	||
||.SEX	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 4000	|| SEX/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.SEX	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 4000	|| BTC: 20 ds + 0 sex sells	||
||.LIZUN	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 800000	|| 10000000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIZUN	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 800000	|| 10000000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.AIR	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.AIR	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR: 10 ds + 0 air sells	||
||.NAX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1000	|| 20000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.PANDA	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 700	|| 14000000	|| 0.1 Yo Tokens	||
||.BTC	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 0.01	|| 1	|| 25 Yo Tokens + 200? Frog	||
||.BTC	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 0.01	|| 1	|| + 60? Panda + 400 Sex + no sells on Yo pairs	||
||.YOBIX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 5000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.YOBIX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 5000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.YO	|| 0.002	|| Daily	|| 0.5	|| 1500	|| YO/BTC: 20 buy trades	||
||.BTC	|| 0.001	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 10	|| BTC: 10 ds + 100 000 Frog + 30k Panda + 200 Sex	||

The last post in the locked thread points to a new thread which shows up on the first page the altcoins board.  It must have received a super-troll-bump.

Or a super-shill-bump? 

Congratulations again, and thanks for the report.  It sounds like the Sportbet.io crew was really accommodating, and made it fun.  It's great that a LFC fan won the contest, and got to witness history in this manner.  A big shout-out to Sportsbet for taking care of our little community.



Dibs on the living room couch.  

It's not practical for the forum administrators and moderators to pursue scams.  There are too many gray areas, evidence is often difficult to verify, and the process is time-consuming.  There's also the fear that staff might suffer a conflict of interest if they are expected to moderate scams.  The best solution is the leave it to the community.

This is argument is purely academic, and may even be off-topic some.  It does pertain to the subject of trolling, and banning, and "banning for trolling," so I'll risk continuing with it.

While true, the first amendment (and similar speech protections) apply only to the governmental authority, that doesn't mean others can't adopt a comparable approach.  If you mean this XKCD, then yes, I've seen it and I must admit I have issues with it.  The premise of the comic seems to argue that your protection to speech is only applicable to the government.  Well, what is a government?  Is it not a collection of individuals chosen to serve the common interests?  Frequently the common interest isn't commonly known or accepted.  Sometimes the minority voice is the only one speaking reason, which is why our laws protect that minority voice.  However, our laws only have the authority to protect the minority voice from the legal ramifications, not from the general public's reactions.

My main issues with that comic are cataloged in the forth pane.  The first thing written in that pane is factually wrong.  Yelling at someone can be deemed as a violation of their rights.  There are legal precedents that define it as "provocation."  Boycotts, censorship, and banishment aren't a violation of anyone's rights, but is it right?  Look at it from the perspective of someone with an unpopular opinion.  The majority starts calling for your ban, calling for a boycott of your products, forcing your publishers into cancelling your TV shows, radio shows, or podcost, and even threaten to boycott your sponsors.  Just because they don't like what you have to say.  Even if what you have to say is beneficial to the majority, or in their best interest, they don't like it and make a huge fuss to prevent you from speaking them again.

The reason I find such reactions destructive is because popular opinion has a way of becoming legislation.  It's a slippery slope.  People who react so vehemently to words with which they disagree are far more dangerous than any words ever spoken.

So lets take the discussion back to this forum; here we have a community that's common tie is financial freedom.  If you care about financial freedom you probably care about free speech, smaller governments, self reliance, and independence.  Maybe.  We have this opportunity to create a virtual civilization here on the internet where we get to put our principals to the test.  Exercise our convictions.  Can they pass the test?  As irritating and frustrating dissenting points of view can be, can we force ourselves to tolerate them for the overall benefit of liberty?

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You won't catch me defending the methods, or what he has to say.  But I can't in good conscience, justify banning him for being an irritant and yes, a troll.  Speaking of CH, has anyone else noticed how quite it's been the last few days?

@LonelyBitcoiner,
Good catch.  I was contacted by another new member yesterday who was being targeted by the same Telegram user.  
The scammer was claiming to be me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209170.msg53412496#msg53412496
Here's another attempt from a month ago, probably the same person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203819.msg53157095#msg53157095

My guess is it'll be closer than that.  Minnesota is on fire, they've been good heading into the stretch, so I see why the odds makers are calling it that way.  Both teams have been looking good the last couple of weeks.  But, Greenbay has more to gain by wining than Minnesota does.  The Vikings are locked into the sixth seed even if they lose both of their next two games.  The best they can do is take the fifth seed if they win tomorrow night.  If the Packers win tomorrow night, and beat the Lyons next week they get the second seed, or possibly the first seed if Seattle helps them by beating the 9ers.  Either way, the Pack has more to play for, and I think they'll rise to the challenge.  I'll go on the record and say I think Greenbay will win.

Yet another nail-biter from the Niners yesterday.  I was worried for a while, but I'm glad they were able to sneak in the win.  I'm starting to worry about my Niners, neither the offense of the defense looked particularly sharp yesterday.

The Cards are giving the Seagulls a run for their money, today.  An Arizona win isn't helpful to the 49ers, though.  They would still need to beat Seattle next week to win the first seed.

Good luck with your bets, gentlemen.  Be smart and careful.  Remember; 'Tiz the season for upsets, and spoilers. 

I'm afraid it is a strategy.  The trolling coupled with deflection could convince a naive individual that the rest of us are really the trolls.



Naivete and the lack of experience doesn't automatically mean someone is dumb.  It wasn't that long ago that I would have refereed to myself as naive and inexperienced, and I'd like to think of myself as "not dumb."



I agree with Nutildah that the Bitcoin SV account is probably controlled by the same person as Korner, but I'm not sure I would ban the account based on the evidence presented here.  I would would want something more concrete.



Unfortunately trolling is subjective.  At what point does a contentious debate turn into "trolling?"  

We can all agree that Bitcoin SV, cryptohunter et al, game-protect, and roach are trolls, and probably should be banned for trolling.  Almost any other forum I've frequented would have banned them for a fraction of what they've been able to get away with.  But those aren't this forum.  One of the reasons I love this forum as much as I do is because of the freedom allowed, and the tolerance of moderators.  I tend to believe theymos wants a forum with no restrictions on speech, with an emphasis on freedom.  I can get behind that.  If it means dealing with these shitbirds, that's a price worth paying in my opinion.

Beware, there's another Telegram scammer trying his luck today.  This morning I found a PM from member mile616 in my inbox asking me if my Telegram user name is @harleyinhawai.  It is not.  Someone going by that username on Telegram was pretending to be me.  These are screen shots of the conversation that mile616 was having with the impersonator:









Coincidentally, someone using the same Telegram username had contacted me to ask if I was still buying BTC.  When I asked him to send me a PM on the forum, he deleted the conversation, and blocked me.

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If your wallet only contains imported private keys, it will not have a secret seed phrase back-up, so there's none to display.   If you are using a hardware wallet Electrum will not display the seed phrase.  The other reason your seed phrase may not be displayed is if you are viewing a "Watch Only" wallet.

Apparently you PM'd Steve from sportsbet.io a link to their thread in the gambling section, but he needs to know your sportsbet.io username so he can help you.  He already replied to you in their service thread:


Sportsbit.io is a big, profitable company with a lot of users.  They are not scammers, and they aren't trying to scam you for ~$400.  Provide Steve with the information he's asking for, and give him some time to work things out.

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

Hi snarlpill,
Thanks for the easy trade.

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Hi walmart34,
Bitcoin received, and PayPal fund have been sent.  Thank you for the trade, much appreciated. 

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To those who've PM'd me and received a reply, consider my offer still open.  Please feel free to send, and I'll respond with payment as soon as I can.

Otherwise, I'm closing this thread for now.  Thanks to all for your trades.

I don't know of any bitcoin addresses that start with "V."  Is that a typo?  Do you mean the addresses start with "b?"



That's very likely the reason you aren't finding your coins.  Try this:

Restore your seed by creating a new wallet, select "Standard Wallet">"I already have a seed."

On the following page, before entering your seed click on the "Options" button, then select the "BIP39 seed" option, and click ok.



Enter your seed phrase, then click "Next."  On the following page, select the first option "legacy (p2pkh)" for addresses that start with "1," or the second option "p2sg-segwit (p2wpkh-p2sh)" for addresses that start with "3."



Then continue to follow the prompts until your wallet is created.  

They used to hold the prowbowl after the Superbowl, so this wasn't an issue.  Back then players wouldn't hold back, and some would get injured.  It always seemed like a wast of energy and talent.  It's not like any of those guys are looking to impress anyone for a high-paying contract, most already had long-term contracts.   

The prowbowl is a silly thing, the NFL just trying to squeeze all they can out of a season, and an excuse to go spend a week in Hawaii.  They realized that viewers mostly don't care, and they were getting shit ratings for viewership.  Then they got the idea to use it a gap-filler between Conference Championships and the Superbowl, which is when they decided to use alternates for the players who're going to the Superbowl.  So now you have this "ProBowl" and players from the two best teams in the league aren't represented.  I don't know many who watch it, let alone bet on it.

Hi walmart34,
If you do not have a US based PayPal address I will send the funds as G&S.  If that's acceptable to you please send the funds to the address below.  Thank you.

I'm sorry, I don't know why you are unable to open your wallet files.  Are you sure you downloaded Electrum from the official site?

https://electrum.org/#download

As for the recovery option; did you write your seed phrase in two or more columns?  You may have entered them in the wrong order.  Also, be very careful to scrutinize every word.  Some of the bip39 words tend to look alike, and you may have missed a typo with a quick glance.

AakZaki, thanks for the easy trade.

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I still have about $100 to spend.