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3661  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Casimero Bantamweight Unification Fight on: September 03, 2021, 10:52:38 AM
Schedules posted are not final so expect that there would might be some changes.

Indeed, most probably the article is based only on the statement of Casimero, Inoue has to also make some statement regarding the fight, if he says about the same date and venue, the most likely the information is very reliable. I don't want to get hype in this fight if there's no official statement yet from people who would promote this fight.
Changes might really happen and if Casimero did say the exact date, we can be dependent on it but at the same time to wait for the announcement of both parties.
Everyone is already hyped when someone has given the date and it's the fighter himself, Casimero. But we've forgotten and didn't chill for a moment to realize that there must be the final and official statement from their promoters and as well as for both of the boxers.

Promoters have their final say on this matter as they negotiate their terms here.
The boxers are just following their promoters go signal.
But if there is some unofficial statement from both fighters, it means, the likelihood of happening it for real is high.
This will be an interesting one as Casimero is getting the interest from boxing fans, because of his naughty antics.

Until we don't see any contract sealed then provably we cannot see this fight happen so I think this one needs more hype as the promoter really want to earn money since this is business, but I'm kinda sure about that this fight will take place next year as Casimero is successfully hit the nerves of Inoue and he's only waiting for his promoters decision about this fight. Let see how the drama rolls since this could be a great event to watch if Inoue vs Casimero will happen.

Casimero's statement should be reliable, and he stated a date that's why it's already in the news now.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22650419/john-riel-casimero-return-december-11-wants-inoue-donaire-boxing-news-2021
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John Riel Casimero to return December 11th, wants Inoue or Donaire

However, it seems like the article is saying that it could be Donaire or Inoue, which I don't think he is in the position to choose.
If there's a one who will choose, it should be the most popular fighter and that is Inoue.

That's why the information still unverified and its easy to say that their fight will be held at that schedule while the real thing there is only the promoter knows on when the event will happen and also there's no contract yet regarding to this fight. Hopefully we can see them sealed this so that we can assume that this fight between Inoue will happen on December.

I'm really excited to watch this fight and currently watching the past fights of both Casimero and Inoue so that I will have an Idea on who among them is worthy to place my bet.
3662  Economy / Speculation / Re: will bitcoin ever go down like 2018-2020 on: September 02, 2021, 11:36:19 PM
Really too far off to consider basing on the price that we had currently now.It might dumped but not really on the level on where we would really be heading back down.
Possibilities is there because this market is unpredictable but basing on the current trend and adoption rate then its really hard to consider that we would be going
down to those prices on where we had before into those times where we are just starting. Thing here as an investor is that you do know on when to consider on taking
step when you do see some chances.
Prices that time to now is way still far, many investors invested in 2020 during the pandemic and they new how volatile the market is yet many are entering crypto and buying bitcoin. There many institutions now who get involved in crupto andw. I doubt the price will go down or up. It will just be a matter of time where .adoption will happen and almost all big companies will join or accept it. It doesn't matter how mich the price can be, bit it will not be too low from 2018 dump.

Basically for now its hard for bitcoin to go down as the hype is now starting to build up since bitcoin already reached $50k and many people are now buying more to ride up since many speculates the target to reach at $60,000 - $10,00k again but we cannot deny the fact that price might still go down since price is so volatile and as I said earlier any big fuds could affect the price especially government forcing to shutdown its usage and other legal actions towards it. That's why we need more good news so that we cannot see this happen and we can enjoy the current market flow happening.
3663  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Casimero Bantamweight Unification Fight on: September 02, 2021, 11:13:31 PM
Schedules posted are not final so expect that there would might be some changes.

Indeed, most probably the article is based only on the statement of Casimero, Inoue has to also make some statement regarding the fight, if he says about the same date and venue, the most likely the information is very reliable. I don't want to get hype in this fight if there's no official statement yet from people who would promote this fight.
Changes might really happen and if Casimero did say the exact date, we can be dependent on it but at the same time to wait for the announcement of both parties.
Everyone is already hyped when someone has given the date and it's the fighter himself, Casimero. But we've forgotten and didn't chill for a moment to realize that there must be the final and official statement from their promoters and as well as for both of the boxers.

Promoters have their final say on this matter as they negotiate their terms here.
The boxers are just following their promoters go signal.
But if there is some unofficial statement from both fighters, it means, the likelihood of happening it for real is high.
This will be an interesting one as Casimero is getting the interest from boxing fans, because of his naughty antics.

Until we don't see any contract sealed then provably we cannot see this fight happen so I think this one needs more hype as the promoter really want to earn money since this is business, but I'm kinda sure about that this fight will take place next year as Casimero is successfully hit the nerves of Inoue and he's only waiting for his promoters decision about this fight. Let see how the drama rolls since this could be a great event to watch if Inoue vs Casimero will happen.
3664  Economy / Gambling / Re: [CLOSED] ★BetBTC★ Sportsbook | Bitcoin Sports Betting | Since 2014 on: September 02, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
So I guess all the withdrawal request has been processed already?

Hopefully, there's no problem that will come up so they can exit with a good reputation, and you guys who have played with the site can post your best wishes and good luck to the next journey of BETBTC as this thread will surely be lock soon.

As the owner posted here he stated that he already paid out all the backlogs happened recently so maybe this could be their total shutdown as they don't have anything to work with. Maybe for now its good to lock this thread so that there's no question regarding on what happen and other things un related to the discussion and to avoid un necessary spam which is not totally contributes to the discussion.

Anyways good luck Betbtc devs and hope to see this platform open in future if they decide to open back again their business.
3665  Economy / Speculation / Re: will bitcoin ever go down like 2018-2020 on: September 02, 2021, 10:43:39 AM
$3K/BTC is nearly impossible now when Saylor is just buying up Millions every time there is a dip. Investors all over the world now are eyeing for BTC to go down too. Obviously, BTC is now mainstream that it might be hard to see drop $20k again. It would take a lot of fud to probably drop that low because when people heard of Amazon and Walmart is about to dip their fingers to crypto, they are also buying.
With so many institutions investing long term in Bitcoin, especially since Bitcoin reached a price above $60k the popularity and demand
for Bitcoin has increased dramatically. This makes it difficult for Bitcoin to even drop below $20k, so like you said it's almost impossible to
see Bitcoin go down to $3000 again. I estimate very many rich people who collect Bitcoin, by buying Bitcoin regularly every Bitcoin has
a correction. So it is very unlikely that Bitcoin will go down like in 2018-2020.
It's unlike but it's possible due to market manipulation, the future is uncertain, though these people are buying or accumulating bitcoin, one big news that could potentially shake the market would also make them panic and sell their holdings. I'm just talking about the worst-case scenario here, at least we can see what could possibly happen in the future.

What you say makes sense, in my estimation it is impossible for the price of Bitcoin to fall to $3000. But it doesn't guarantee 100% that it won't
happen, there is a worst-case scenario that might happen, considering that the market is very easy to manipulate. If that is the case, we must
prepare a plan to anticipate the worst case scenario. My advice may be to use the stop-loss feature to anticipate if the Bitcoin price falls drastically.

We cannot call it impossible since at year 2017 we didn't think the same as many people hodl for thinking that they will see more price pump but suddenly all hopes has been shutdown due to heavy bear season occur on year 2018 and so on. So even though its impossible to happen but we cannot disclose the possibilities since anything will happen in instance especially if we see a strong fuds push the market to drop badly.
3666  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: September 01, 2021, 11:54:36 PM
I agree, Bob and Top Rank will decide if they wanted to have Inoue fight Casimero or not. So everything is not final yet even though Bob issued a verbal statement.
There's a news that it's likely that Inoue vs Casimero will happen by the end of this year. We don't know if that news is final and I agree, until there's an official statement then we have a guarantee that the other match will come instead of fighting against Donaire.
We've got some hope that the other match is likely to happen rather than this match.

I want to see Casimero fighting Inoue this year because of their current feud on social media and their market has insanely increased as well because of that. They both agree to fight as soon as possible but as we can see, money always matters because Inoue's promoter has the last call on this no matter how they want it to happen. I think they don't need to delay this fight anymore since the Japanese have taken lots of trash talks from the Pilipino. This shouldn't be like the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight where they delayed it for years.
Yes, that feud has made a lot of noise and our thoughts about them having a fight this year is already going to happen with those news that came recently.
It won't be delayed anymore and with the news that has been posted above then that makes sense that we just have to wait until the end of the year to see them fight.
There are still no official statement or announcement in regard in this one and everything still in rumors for it to happen but at least we do see the interest on both camps for the said fight
which is a solid indication that it is likely to happen there are even given venues about this fight and hope that there would be no delays or postponement for this just like
on what happened earlier erring with this two great boxers. We do love to see on how this fight will end up.

Although there is no official news about this but since Inoue and Casimero is ready to fight then there's a huhe chance that this fight will happen and also Casimero already stated that their fight wull happen on december so provably thay can seal deal and make the fight happen. This is been hype for the past couple of daysnso for sure many will be more interested to watch the fight of Casimero and Inoue rather than Inoue vs Donaire.
3667  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Pay with Bitcoin on: September 01, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
They could give their employees choices, they could either be paid in crypto or fiat. Having its own bitcoin payment system is a great stepping stone for the business, since they are accepting bitcoin, employees should be knowledgeable on how to operate it. This could lead them to be interested in it as well. It would be easier for them, for sure.
It is good for companies to give their employees a choice, depending on whether the employees want to get paid in crypto or fiat.
This is also what many people who are familiar with crypto want, but it all depends on the rules of the government of each country.
because today there are still many countries that have not accepted crypto as a means of payment, and that is the biggest obstacle.
So the crypto adoption process does not go fast as long as the government is not open-minded and accepts cryptocurrencies as a whole.
Its really good to have choice like this but the question is does they can able to take up the high fees by using bitcoin? sometimes that one is need to be consider as companies are losing money for paying such huge fees if the network is congested, Also stuck transaction due to low set fees is a concern to so maybe this bitcoin option to pay to your employees will get a problem knowing we can get stuck for many days for it and its stressful for the employee to encounter this issues.

Regarding the high costs of using Bitcoin for payroll, maybe the fee is passed on to employees who choose Bitcoin for their salary payments.
Because it is impossible for the company to bear such large costs, therefore if employees want to receive salaries in Bitcoin must be willing
to be deducted by transaction fees. If they are not willing to choose fiat for salary payments, the company concludes that they give
employees a choice. Because from the start the company did not force employees to receive salaries in Bitcoin.

Well that's a huge lose for employee's imagine they will shoulder the high transaction fees if this really meant to happen. Instead of they can use the amount to buy goods but they used it for fees for this incident for sure many employees would not like to receive bitcoin that's why this things need to consider first that's why I can say that this bitcoin plan payment is kinda not happening for now as there are many flaws regarding to this plans.
3668  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Has crypto cloud mining got market? on: September 01, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
Not worth it whatsoever.

Just look at the sheer amount of scam accusation threads that have been put out when it comes to cloud mining on this forum. I haven't had a single person say to me that they've profited long term with cloud mining.

Those numbers of scam accusation created here will tell that cloudmining platforms is not really a good option to choose and I'm surprise that even by now there are people ask about how good it is or if there are people will try to invest on this kind of scams. So its better to move on to this kind of investment scheme since we cannot get anything good at it.

Also maybe we can say before that there are people who earns at cloudmining schemes since there are long time running which gives people a profit but now this are not existing anymore since scams are now running or using this to fool people.
3669  Economy / Economics / Re: What could make a hacker return stolen $600m crypto on: September 01, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
A hacker return stolen crypto

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But was the thief a good samaritan who stole the money to expose a dangerous security flaw

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"I am not very interested in money!” the hacker wrote, adding it was “always the plan” to return the funds.

How can that happen that a hacker does that I return the stolen crypto and say he is not interested in money. This is funny K can say that. What do you think about this story.

Curious to know about why they do that since they already got that huge amount from their action did but seems the hackers is not on bad side so maybe they want to warn all the platform the possible damage they possibly got for not securing their platforms. For sure many are now putting some extra efforts to make their site more secure and thanks for that hackers since this could save us for upcoming attacks since for sure the exchange are now prepared for any possible attempts.
3670  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: September 01, 2021, 10:35:39 AM
That was actually state-of-the-art not too long ago. You only had to upload the documents and the KYC-approved status was given.

However, due to the relative ease of forgery of identities, the regulations for the Exchanges are becoming tougher and tougher.
Bitpanda - the Austrian exchange - uses live verification, for example, where you actually have your status checked with someone via video conference.
I have seen what you just described a long time ago but that video conference can still be faked in a way, some scammers aren't even scared using that even though their face is already there but in this case it's pretty easy to fake in my opinion, a fake beard and some make up could sometimes do the trick. KYC is useless if the con man is crafty.
But at least it's stricter KYC with video conferencing than just uploading documents, but this is only used in super tight exchanges I do this often and only trusted IMO.
But in the casino I didn't find anything like that but only documents were given and then waited for approval and it was easier, but whatever way the scammers sure could do it would still be much safer than any other way.
So still the casino will not provide video conferencing during KYC.
So far i didnt able to see some casinos implementing out video conferencing during KYC for now but i wont be surprised if we would really be heading there but for now
lets just deal on whats the current system or requirements that they are asking on which i dont really see for someone to be bothered that much because basic
information isnt something that you should be worried  but you could always have the choice.

This is to much I know some platform like coins.ph almost implementing this kind of procedure but I don't really think that its acceptable on casinos since this is totally more risky since its more useful for frauds to have that private information to us and I will not play if some casino trusted or not require that kind of verification since I think I cannot sleep tight thinking about the possible risk I might encounter in future.
3671  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Pay with Bitcoin on: August 31, 2021, 11:58:45 PM
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What i can suggest you maybe really focus on money management. Because as company there are employees which must get paid too and with bitcoin volatily, company that accept bitcoin as payment should know when to maybe sell the coins so they are not lose in money but will be different if all people in  company agree to decide when want to sell their coins by themself.
They could give their employees choices, they could either be paid in crypto or fiat. Having its own bitcoin payment system is a great stepping stone for the business, since they are accepting bitcoin, employees should be knowledgeable on how to operate it. This could lead them to be interested in it as well. It would be easier for them, for sure.

It is good for companies to give their employees a choice, depending on whether the employees want to get paid in crypto or fiat.
This is also what many people who are familiar with crypto want, but it all depends on the rules of the government of each country.
because today there are still many countries that have not accepted crypto as a means of payment, and that is the biggest obstacle.
So the crypto adoption process does not go fast as long as the government is not open-minded and accepts cryptocurrencies as a whole.

Its really good to have choice like this but the question is does they can able to take up the high fees by using bitcoin? sometimes that one is need to be consider as companies are losing money for paying such huge fees if the network is congested, Also stuck transaction due to low set fees is a concern to so maybe this bitcoin option to pay to your employees will get a problem knowing we can get stuck for many days for it and its stressful for the employee to encounter this issues.
3672  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The life span of bitcoin is till infinity on: August 31, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
I'm not very sure about the lasting until infinity part. However, Bitcoin is going on a very decent track now. Even many old people are getting to know Bitcoin as time goes on. We can see people from every age being a Bitcoin trader or a user in the future. And the number of people who are into Bitcoin is increasing at a fast pace every day as you can see. This will be one of the biggest factors which will prevent Bitcoin from going down to zero.


If ever someone is thinking that Bitcoin might get replaced in the future I don't think if that's going to happen because as far as I know the government seems to be focusing too much on centralization and that would leave Bitcoin to continue to operate if no one could see a decentralized asset that the government would stop holding/owning.

Bitcoin will be the first thing came to our minds once we talk about crypto so thinking about some coins will replace it is kinda impossible for now since they really need to have more volume to defeat the marketcap before they can surpass it, but since bitcoin is established coin and the most preferred due to many adoption happened for sure other who plan to replaced it will just fail.

Although many people says that bitcoin will go to zero,it will die or anything bla,bla for sure it will not happen bitcoin is now somehow have part on economy and this will never get fade so for sure it will stay since more people will use it in future.
3673  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: August 31, 2021, 01:05:47 PM
Btw, not all users are forced to pass KYC, you can still use VPN and fill fake data in case of using Roobet service for fun with a small balance. This KYC thing protects players too and lets the Roobet team comply with the rules of regulation.
This is a very risky method. Most crypto gambling sites including Roobet don't encourage VPN usage(Some have strict rules against them) and filling in fake KYC will screw you over later on since you are basically lying to the casino.

This strategy should only be used if you are willing to take these risks. Better solution is to simply shift to a no-KYC site instead.
Yeah its one of the risk because small amounts doesnt mean or automatically means zero chance of winning high multipliers where we do see situations where it do happen and since you do make use of
some fake information then you would really be having some serious problem on here.

So it does depend on your tolerance on how much you can risk on but if you are prepared on using VPN then dont be surprised if they would locked you out once caught.
I told many times about this, never enter fake details when it comes to KYC when you have the intention of continue their services in the future, only do this when you are stuck and wanted to take the funds out and just quit the platform whatever it could be like casino, exchange, etc. If I am not wrong Roobet allows users to play in their site via VPN only for privacy purposes not to encourage any violations in their terms.

I’m sorry to say but this is the dumbest advice ever given on this forum, and if someone actually follows it then I pray for that player too. Lastly Roobet is a friendly casino do not make life difficult for the support staff by doing this, and I strongly condemn such behaviour and encourage all other player’s not to submit any fake details.

I think you misread his point since seems you miss quote or didn't understand what he say since his statement is not to put any fake details which is really advisable since once trouble occur then we will struggle to verify our claims since its hard to prove the ownership if we input a fake details unto their casino. So if anyone afraid about this KYC submission things well maybe they should pass to play to avoid any confusion or worries about their identity submitted.
3674  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: August 31, 2021, 10:20:56 AM
As reported by The Athletic, for many insiders it's no longer a question of if Simmons will be traded but rather when. According to the same source, the Sixers have their eyes on Lillard. A dream that until some time ago could be considered impossible but that could become more defined and credible in the next months. Let's keep an eye on the Philadelphia-Portland route.

It's not a secret already that we will see Ben Simmons on a different jersey next season. It's been always the rumor even before the start of the recent season. He is no longer capable of being a pure Sixers player because of various reasons.

The Sixers will do a good job if they will trade Simmons and keep Joel Embiid, their most performing player last season. Then hunt some good point guards that can replace Simmons, not by 100% but a good one to risks.

Lillard already debunked that he will be traded but if my understandings are correct, he just debunked that he will transfer to the Lakers but the signing to another team is possible.

That's a good trade for me if in case things work out between these two teams.

If Dame landed to Philly, he will be more effective playing 1-2 punch with Embiid, that power combo will surely help them up in chasing the title, while with Simmons, he can help CJ as he can work as a two-way player, a good defender and if needed he can also drive and get some good penetrations, Both teams will maximize the value of this two stars.

But the stigma of Simmons being a choker could hunt him to whatever teams he went after Sixers.

So it will follow him so for sure every team has a strategy of hack a Ben in the playoffs. I think it will be Portland's loss if they traded Dame, if I'm the President for Operations, I wouldn't push for it. So the burden is on Simmons today, he needs to improved his free throws and outside shooting to be more effective specially when playoff comes.

That will be the next trend once he will go to another team so they should address that deficiency of Simmons, He's a decent shooter way back then so maybe the only thing he needs to have is confidence so that's the best thing needed to get by Simmons so that he will not be the center of attention in crucial minutes in the game. He really needs to improve he's young and he has lot to offer.
3675  Economy / Marketplace / Re: OnlyFans-like product with payments in crypto on: August 30, 2021, 11:58:58 PM
The recent announcement from OnlyFans that it would no longer allow adult content, and then that it would continue allowing adult content after all, shows, how some businesses can be vulnerable to having credit card payments taken away.  This problem would not happen for a site that collected payments using cryptocurrency! Would you be interested paying to use an OnlyFans style product that also sold adult NFTs, and where payments were with cryptocurrency?

They need to discover first how useful the cryptocurrency is since if they learned how useful it is in their business then provably they will add this as option to their website but since cryptocurrency are not taking to much limelight maybe they will stick on the current one they have. But if they found a partner who are good at cryptocurrency maybe we can see some good changes towards this things.
3676  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲BetFury.io|🔥NEW game CRYPTOS release 🔥 |⚡️Free BTC+BNB| 📈HotBit listing on: August 30, 2021, 10:35:37 PM
I also dislike chat room, I will rather be in the telegram group but i will have to be careful about the information I consume there as most users are full with bullshit. I like the fact that Betfury has added some additional features and development on the site but am finding hard to trade my token on the in exchange platform is there any cex exchange where the betfruy native coin is listed.

You can just ignore the chat room if you don't like that option since sometimes its fun to watch peoples activity there although sometimes it full of spams and other things there.

By the way you can check this to see on where you can trade your BFG tokens https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/betfury/markets/ I don't like hotbit but so far that exchange got more volume so if you want to trade then put extra precautionary measures.
3677  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Crypto becoming less and less anonymous on: August 30, 2021, 09:57:14 PM
I hate the fact that cryptocurrencys have turned into something that needs verification to sell, when its supposed to be anonymous. There is almost no anonymity with selling crypto to large exchanges, its unfortunate. What are your thoughts?

Over the years some platforms need to require their users a KYC integration due to regulation happened every year since government already notice that crypto is becoming a good source of income and want to tax people from using it and for being anonymous well I think I'm ok with that since I don't nothing to hide and we should threat that as part of acceptance of bitcoin. Although many people still don't like to do KYC due to security matters well the only thing we need to do for that is to choose the best platform we go for better security.
3678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dream Bitcoin 100k on: August 28, 2021, 02:59:01 PM
When Bitcoin goes down from 80 to 29, it goes up and down there for a while. But now it is going up and down again. But 50k the moment it is fluctuating again. I have learned from some news outlets that many people have exchanged views that Bitcoin will cross 100k by the end of this year. I would like to know the opinion of the members of the forum.

Although $100k is possible but we cannot really expect that this epic events will happen at the end of the year since first we need to consider how the market goes at that time if there will be more adoption which can create demands or if there are fuds that can cause trouble to the weak hands which can affect the market. But we need to prepare whatever market condition goes if we want to earn and ride with that price mark reach up.
3679  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: August 28, 2021, 12:52:05 PM
Been reading the rumors about Kevin Love. But some analysts just created the speculation of him possibly going to the Lakers. There are no official statements nor hints, rumors, speculations coming from the Lakers themselves or a credible source on that possibility.

If that will become true, there is no other team where Kevin Love fits but only the Los Angeles Lakers. He is even more valuable and productive to me compare to Carmelo Anthony or to any veterans on the Lakers.

If the Lakers can keep Melo, he would be a big help to the team. Imagine, the Lakers have the talented big men that have won a championship in their career. They will have Gasol, Davis, Dwight Howard,  and now Kevin Love. 

Maybe someone has to go, and if this rumor will happen, then we might not see Gasol in Lakers uniform.

This Lakers-Pelicans Trade Is Centered Around Marc Gasol

Gasol is not the same as before so provably if the team decide to take out one player on their rooster and also he's not producing stable good numbers so maybe its time for him to rest and enjoy his life on his retirement. He don't need to prove anything as he is proven an elite player so for sure he can leave a good legacy to NBA and his career will be remember but if that trade rumors will become real for sure he will became a bench warmer since they already have jaxson hayes which is young and also Jonas which we can say still doing a decent plays.
3680  Economy / Economics / Re: The reason to hodl bitcoin on: August 28, 2021, 11:26:56 AM
They might have bitcoins at his moment if there belief shifts that bitcoin is good for hodling or in terms of investment but I still believe many doubt up till now knowing bitcoin drop hard last month and that incident can strengthen the beliefs of bitcoin doubters and haters that its not good to have bitcoin since the risk is so high. That's why this asset is not for all since only few of us can handle the volatility and we are lucky that we hold it and have patience for any possibilities that will happen on it since we can see the result that we really earn even if the volatility is so high.
Trust in bitcoin has now expanded since the increase this year, even I saw a drastic increase in them investing in bitcoin even though they already knew about the risks that would be faced, namely a severe decline and an unexpected increase in a significant time.
About the doubters and haters of bitcoin, there must be even those who really don't believe it, we shouldn't look there because our views will always be different, therefore we will know better how to grow volatility better, so there are so many reasons why you should hold bitcoin.

Trust will always there from the old bitcoin investors and hodlers but for new guys hanging around which they are just riding with hypes also with FOMO's for sure they will not trust the movements especially when bitcoin dumps hard. I don't believe that haters will always be haters since maybe that temporary emotion occur to them its because they didn't expect that they will lose all there money for a single mistake they made but once they know about and see bitcoin price surge for sure they will be back trying their luck to earn again.
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