perhaps it is as DDOS from a three letter company? (Kidding)

Uh, I wonder if that is the reason why they are increasing their Batch order size. Perhaps they will be aiming for 90nm next?

Someone on BFL forums said that if they switch to 90nm they would halve their power use. Is that true?

There are MiniRig customers already asking big questions about the power outlet and overclocking issue. The PSU is only half the problem.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/875-1-2w-per-gh-not-good-mini-rigs-2.html#post12370

BitCoin Magazine article on the FIRST ASIC hashing device. (by Avalon)

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/working-avalon-asic-confirmed/


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/837-sunday-27-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-9.html

Well that just means Gen 2 is going to be a helluva lot more expensive, doesn't it?

What happens if the dillute the cost of each GH/s so rapidly that Gen 2 has to be uber powered in order for them to sell it as an upgrade (even with a trade in).

It is complicated game of fumbling with numbers. I would hate to be Josh's calculator right now.

They already had their units upgraded by 50%. Though they (BFL) ate through thermal headroom and power capacity built into the MiniRig to do that.

Now a few BFL MiniRig customers are asking about how they are going to power this rig from a standard wall outlet. So far silence on the subject last I checked.

If BFL raises the GH/s of one Single. Guess what?


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The problem is of course that BFL bought those pretty expensive EVGA power supplies. Really expensive units and hardly with any discounts according to Josh from BFL.

Now what? Where do they get the extra power from? A second Power Supply? How?

What kind of wall outlet will the customer of the MiniRig need if they jump each board from 60Gh/s to 90Gh/s?

Upgrades like that aren't free you know!

There are a boatload of issues to be considered very carefully. Or people will start demanding partial refunds...if not full refunds (I doubt the latter though).

If BFL customers consider that Avalon is upgradable (to what extent remains a question), then they may take a second look.

Assuming all modules in an Avalon case are exactly identical to each other. Then I can start mining at 65Gh/s~70Gh/s.

When the upgrades are released by Avalon, I'll have an upgrade path. With BFL none, except buying a very expensive second unit by comparison.

I can put in an order for (possibly) $350 and upgrade my units up to 90Gh/s. Do you think BFL will ramp up their small box/clamshell configuration to run up to 90Gh/s?

I don't think they will.

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Here is the kicker though. Some Avalon users will not upgrade their internals. So as Avalon slowly moves from 110nm to 90nm or however low they need to in the future. The power draw will decrease and the GH/s per chip increases.

Assuming they have 25 chips in one unit. A small additional capacity change multiplied by (let say) 25 will result in a huge increase in speed and higher efficiency per box.

I can then sell off my old Rev1 modules to other miner who want to upgrade their 65~70Gh/s stock unit up to 90Gh/s.

I only need to pay the difference in price between the used modules and the newer Rev2 modules. Depending on the market price that could be, perhaps, 150$ extra out of my pocket for each Rev2 module.

If the current (REV 1) modules are 22Gh/s each, and the second gen (REV 2) modules jump to 30Gh/s or more. Can you guess how much I saved vs buying another BFL unit priced at $1299?

Lets say 30 x 4 = 120Gh/s for an upgrade path.
Lets say I had to pay a difference of $150 for each additional module.
So that is about $600 total to double the GH/s capacity.

What will BFL do? Slash prices?

Ouch, their first run customers would be screaming at the top of their lungs if they did that.

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The silence "sounds" to me like BFL is in the backroom talking about the "issue" before them.

Expect promises to come quickly, and actual changes very slowly.

Heh.

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They have 8 chps and they can only overclock them so much before they seriously cut into the thermal headroom for normal operations. Lets see how big a jump they go to after 60Gh/s.

With more money and time, Avalons upgrade-able units will eventually drop in power use I'd bet.

What you should worry about is having to pay a whole $1300 + Shipping for an entirely different unit from BFL to keep up. Either way, competition is good.

They have several it seems.

So far it seems Jeff has identified at least one.

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The site error is probably them updating the site for the second batch pre-orders.

Hopefully when people bum rush the site it won't go down again.

Wasn't it scheduled for 9am?

With anywhere from 58 petawatts to 180 petawatts of sunshine, I'd say it is a sunny day everyday, for the next 5 billion years.

Then a red giant will turn earth crispy.

I'll buy and sell grocery from my local foodstore for your BTC. (10 to 20% markup though).

Have you seen any overclocking ability in the software?

Would be neat if the modules are upgrade-able. Therefore allowing us to sell used modules to each other.

Now that is something you couldn't do with a BFL Single.

Lets hope in the future they have 33Gh/s modules or 50GH/s. Lets hope that develops.

Are sceptics (Septic tanks?) the same as Skeptics?

I hoped you would have realized I was being facetious.

Second level of verification seems to be put into play:

Lowers the Alert level to Defcon 4.

Hopefully Jeff has a meter like a Kill-A-Watt.

We can only hope, next they will say that they only shipped out one unit.

<Sigh>

Someone ought to sticky this thread.

I tried the tracking number on the front but it doesn't work.

That forwarder (or DHL) is doing a real bad job entering tracking into their system.