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3681  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's funny to see these thugs in Ferguson bitching about how they have nothing on: January 30, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
You've still yet to provide any credible evidence that Sanger intended to start abortion houses to target blacks, as per your original statements. If this were true, I suspect PP's focus would have been on abortions first under Sanger's direction, and not contraception, as was actually the case.

Btw:

In the 1920s various theories of eugenics were popular among intellectuals in the United States. For example, 75% of colleges offered courses on eugenics. Sanger, in her campaign to promote birth control, teamed with eugenics organizations such as the American Eugenics Society, although she argued against many of their positions. Scholars describe Sanger as believing that birth control, sterilization and abortion should be voluntary and not based on race. She advocated for "voluntary motherhood"—the right to choose when to be pregnant—for all women, as an important element of women's rights. Opponents of Planned Parenthood often refer to Sanger's connection with supporters of eugenics to discredit the organization by associating it, and birth control, with the more negative modern view of eugenics. Planned Parenthood has responded to this effort directly in a leaflet acknowledging that Sanger agreed with some of her contemporaries who advocated the voluntary hospitalization or sterilization of people with untreatable, disabling, hereditary conditions, and limits on the immigration of the diseased. The leaflet also states that Planned Parenthood "finds these views objectionable and outmoded" but says that it was compelled to discuss the topic because "anti-family planning activists continue to attack Sanger . . . because she is an easier target" than Planned Parenthood.

I guess the fact that this answers your bogus criticisms so perfectly is evidence of you taking your talking points directly from the bible thumpers who are trying so hard to distort history. You haven't said anything novel, just repeated the same trash that's been discredited so frequently, it has an entry on Wikipedia about it.
3682  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Death Penalty for Drug Smuggler on: January 30, 2015, 06:18:35 PM
My own view is it's wrong for governments to kill people, always and without exception.

If you don't mind my question ... why is that , it's not like goverments are the good people .
and what do you expect from goverments to do for Pedophiles who rape kids , for a serial killer ... we shouldn't kill those too ?

~ Madness.

Simplest answer: Because your right to life is absolute. No person or group of persons has the right to take it from you.

Says who mate ? A serial killer don't give a shit about other peoples life , so why would people give a shit about his life ? If he don't care about people rights then simply people don't care about his right .
What if someone killed your father,mother , brother whatever ... you won't seek for revenge or at least make sure he die with death penalty ?
~ Madness.

Killing doesn't undo anything that's been done, so there's no reason for it. Because all people are born equal, no person can ever assume the right to take life over another person.
3683  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Death Penalty for Drug Smuggler on: January 30, 2015, 05:46:31 PM
My own view is it's wrong for governments to kill people, always and without exception.

If you don't mind my question ... why is that , it's not like goverments are the good people .
and what do you expect from goverments to do for Pedophiles who rape kids , for a serial killer ... we shouldn't kill those too ?

~ Madness.

Simplest answer: Because your right to life is absolute. No person or group of persons has the right to take it from you.
3684  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cops Going After Kids Shoveling Snow – They Want Their Cut on: January 30, 2015, 05:43:33 PM
I heard recently that in some cities in the US it is illegal to feed the homeless. This planet is fucked up.

It's true. The premise is that feeding the homeless enables people to remain homeless, as if that was really the case.

https://news.vice.com/article/more-us-cities-are-cracking-down-on-feeding-the-homeless

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuly-yanklowitz/forbidden-to-feed-the-hom_b_6146840.html

Can you just imagine what it must be like in prison

"Better stay away from that guy, he feeds the homeless and doesn't give a fuck, he's so hardcore and dangerous, he'll fuck you up"

I love this quote:
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"One of the police officers came over and said 'Drop that plate right now,' as if I was carrying a weapon."

There were a couple threads on this in this forum. Really sad the attitudes expressed in there; some people going so far down Doubletalk Lane as to claim that arresting people for feeding the homeless was in defense of individual freedom.
3685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Death Penalty for Drug Smuggler on: January 30, 2015, 05:39:10 PM
My own view is it's wrong for governments to kill people, always and without exception.
3686  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: January 30, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
I've read something about an interesting research years ago. I think it was this one.

I wonder if the government is considering this a priority. After all, a collapse in workers could be a problem... but perhaps old people will go first.

Wow, that's an incredibly bleak picture, and as the study they reference was in the 1990s, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the problem is getting worse.

Life expectancy in northern China was 5.5 years shorter than in southern China in the 1990s, and a health risk disparity lingers today, a difference almost entirely due to heart and lung disease related to air pollution from the burning of coal, a new study shows.

...

Since there are 500 million residents of Northern China, that means air pollution is associated with the loss of more than 2.5 billion life years of life expectancy, the study says.

2.5 billion life years lost due to air pollution. What a colossal waste!
3687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's funny to see these thugs in Ferguson bitching about how they have nothing on: January 30, 2015, 05:25:18 PM
Gee, a bible wacko who took a bunch of quotes out of context and put them on her website to promote her radical conservative agenda. It's no wonder you love it so much! Sanger has said some reprehensible things related to race, but trying to pretend PP's intention under her direction was abortion is stretching the truth too far, and the facts don't back you up. Actually read Sanger's works, her concern above all else is access to birth control which is illegal when she gets politically involved. PP didn't get involved in abortion until after she died, and under her direction, the aim was always prophylactics and their legalization and education for the public, and especially turning social attitudes towards their acceptance, despite how hard conservatives fought on the issue (and still continue to fight on the issue). Sanger's on the record extensively as being against abortion and the taking of infant life, which is why her words in the quote in question are obviously ironic, and written for shock value, and especially to make her true intention- to make birth control available for women- more palatable by comparison. But nice try!
It is sad to see you do not believe in the words of your goddess...   Smiley Wink Smiley

So your rebuttal to being caught in your misrepresentations of PP is to post another quote that also doesn't prove your original point but only tangentially correlates?
3688  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: January 30, 2015, 05:09:37 PM
I bet the cancer rates are going to be off the charts in 20 years for residents of Beijing and other polluted cities.

True - but as they don't have state funded health care for most people the expense will be born by the people (and China has an abundance of people).


The party leadership will have no choice but to address the situation to keep them complacent, or risk mass civil unrest. The party is only interested in maintaining power, and the people will only tolerate that as long as their lives are continuously improving. These circumstances seem destined to force China to devote a lot of resources towards the problem of pollution.
3689  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: January 30, 2015, 04:58:23 PM
Fox News Poll: Voters believe Romney, Clinton remain top picks for 2016, Obama not tough enough on Iran
25-27 Jan 15
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Romney   21%
Paul         11%
Huckabee 11%
Bush        10%
Carson       9%
Walker       8%
Rubio         5%
Christie      4%
Cruz           4%

They also have numbers w/o Romney plus many other questions that were asked.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/01/29/fox-news-poll-voters-believe-romney-clinton-remain-top-picks-for-2016-believe/

Romney confirms he's out for 2016. Interesting to see what that will do to the numbers.
3690  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: January 30, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
David Letterman: Rand Paul Makes 'Pure Good Sense'; Maddow Kind of Agrees

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Late night talk show host David Letterman had nothing but positive things to say about possible 2016 presidential candidate Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

During a conversation with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Wednesday about the 2016 race, the comedian said he was impressed by the libertarian Republican, according to The Daily Caller.

"I've heard Rand Paul say things that seem just pure, hardcore, logical good sense," Letterman said on his "Late Show" on CBS.

Maddow was cautious in her agreement.

"Rand Paul sometimes makes a lot of sense," she said, but emphasized, "sometimes."

More...http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/David-Letterman-rand-paul-2016-election/2015/01/29/id/621432/#ixzz3Q8U3NCnz

I like the "Maddow Kind of Agrees."  Haha.
3691  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: January 30, 2015, 04:43:05 PM
I have to believe the pollution is a major obstacle for the economy. In some regards, it's hard to envision China overtaking the the United States as the preeminent economic power when they have such major air quality problems. A great deal of resources will be spent dealing with that problem, and all the related health problems that will come with it. I bet the cancer rates are going to be off the charts in 20 years for residents of Beijing and other polluted cities.
3692  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: January 29, 2015, 09:03:09 PM
Libertarians jeopardize crony corporatism. It's obvious he would come in last, and will not have the votes counted in his favor.

Rand may sometimes pay lip service to libertarianism, but he's on the record as flat out saying he isn't a libertarian. I don't know enough about the Koch brothers, but I'd highly doubt they are libertarian either.
3693  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The NSA is reportedly able to access offline computers thanks to radio wave tech on: January 29, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
Pelosi is the face of evil.
3694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who is killing the great bankers of Europe? on: January 29, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
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Who is killing the great bankers of Europe?
By Rick Moran

This is either the most interesting case of coincidental deaths or one of the most evil plots in modern history.

Western bankers are dropping dead all over the place - most of them youngish and in good health. There appear to be an unusual number of suicides and "unexplained" deaths.

Last year, 36 bankers died. There have been 3 already this year, including the latest - a Dutch financier who worked for Amro bank.

Zero Hedge blog has been following this story.

Following the deaths of 36 bankers last year, 2015 has got off to an inauspicious start with the reported suicide of Chris Van Eeghen - the 4th ABN Amro banker suicide in the last few years. As Quotenet reports, the death of Van Eghen - the head of ABN's corporate finance and capital markets -"startled" friends and colleagues as the 42-year-old "had a great reputation" at work, came from an "illustrious family," and enjoyed national fame briefly as the boyfriend of a famous actress/model. As one colleague noted, "he was always cheerful, good mood, and apparently he had everything your heart desired. He never sat in the pit, never was down, so I was extremely surprised. I can not understand."

As Niburu details, friends and colleagues were startled by the news that Chris van Eeghen had committed suicide.

He worked in Amsterdam for ABN / AMRO in the position of "head of syndicate and corporate finance markets."

Again, there is again a familiar pattern, namely that there is no indication that Van Eeghen had plans to take his life.

Ostensibly a successful banker, coming from what was described as an illustrious family. Chris was also a familiar sight in Amsterdam's nightlife scene and enjoyed national fame as possible new boyfriend of Tatjana Simic (a famous Croatian-Dutch model, singer, actress).

Most believe that the suicide is not related to his work at the bank,
but a former colleague had noticed that on his Facebook recently changed
its job title to "former."

Chris leaves behind a son - who had recently been cleared of cancer.

This is the 4th ABN Amro suicide in recent years...

So what's going on? Almost certainly, it isn't a plot. Banking - especially at the level that most of these bankers had reached - is a stressful occupation with more than the average number of suicides. It's also logical that such stress could lead to an early death due to heart attack or stroke. (Researchers now believe that some cancers are related to stress.)

If you were to take employees from a similarly stressful industry and compare suicide and early death rates, you would probably make similar correlations appear.


So far, no evidence of foul play has emerged in any of these deaths. So either the plotters are spectacularly competent in fooling authorities, or there is nothing fishy at all about these deaths.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html

Nothing to see here. Female doctors also have remarkably higher suicide rate than the average population. Who's killing the female doctors? Themselves.
3695  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Four and Counting: States Consider Bills to Turn off Resources to the NSA on: January 29, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
I would think any state law that makes it illegal to provide assistance to a federal agency would immediately be overturned. I'm in favor of stopping the NSA, but I also recognize that federal law trumps state, and all the federal officials who matter continue to justify the NSA programs as legal, even if a large portion of the population disagrees. I don't see how initiatives like this can possibly succeed.
3696  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: January 29, 2015, 05:01:29 PM
I think there's more than enough pictures available to support the mayor's premise:

Google Image Search Beijing Pollution

That stuff looks pretty nasty.
3697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "People of color", actually aren't. on: January 29, 2015, 04:09:09 PM
I don't think the controversy is about the semantics of color ('white' people literally being white vs. shades of whatever, or 'black' people literally being black) but about the culture of differences and the inherent privilege or hurdles that go with the perception of what color you are. That is, it doesn't matter that "people of color actually aren't" but it matters how they're perceived to be different from the class that has historically enjoyed the privileges of being militarily superior. (Europe colonized Africa, not the other way around, through military dominance.)
3698  Other / Politics & Society / Woman Jailed for Firing Warning Shot Released on: January 29, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
It's important to note she was not released due to common sense finally settling in, but due to a plea deal she struck to avoid a trial and the prospect of a longer prison sentence. The justice system wins again!

(Reuters) - A Florida woman who says she fired a warning shot at her abusive husband was released from a Jacksonville jail on Tuesday under a plea deal that capped her sentence to the three years she had already served.

Marissa Alexander, 34, was initially sentenced to 20 years in prison in 2012 but her conviction was later overturned. She faced another trial on charges that could have put her behind bars for 60 years before she agreed to a plea deal in November.

Her case helped to inspire a new state law permitting warning shots in some circumstances.

Leaving the courthouse, Alexander cried as she thanked her supporters, sharing plans to continue her education in order to work as a paralegal.

"My hope is for the people who were involved in this case to be able to move on with their lives," she said, reading from a prepared statement.

She declined to answer further questions.

At her sentencing hearing, Alexander's attorney noted that she had agreed to the deal to avoid putting all involved, including her three children, through a high-profile trial.

Alexander pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated assault for firing a shot in the direction of her husband, Rico Gray, during a 2010 argument while two of his children were also in the house.

She also agreed to serve two years of house arrest, wearing an ankle monitor. She will be allowed to work, attend classes and take her children to school and medical appointments.

Circuit Court Judge James Daniel denied a request by prosecutors to add two years of probation to her sentence at the conclusion of the house arrest.

Prosecutors called as a witness 15-year-old Pernell Gray, who said his life changed the day his stepmother fired the gun in his presence.

"I was not hurt physically, but I was hurt emotionally and mentally," he said.

Outside the Duval County courthouse, Alexander's supporters from around the nation unfurled pieces of a red quilt memorializing victims of rape and abuse.

"Self-defense is not a crime. Marissa should not be doing time," a group of about 50 people holding hands chanted upon her release, calling for her to be pardoned.

Ash-Lee Woodard Henderson, a civil rights organizer, had come from Chattanooga, Tennessee to support Alexander.

"Marissa's story resonates with people because it was a victimless crime," she said. "There is no justice in it."
3699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alabama Chief Justice of SupCt Doesn't Understand Supremacy Clause on: January 29, 2015, 03:56:04 PM
If religious groups want to be intolerant jackasses by denying marriages to same-sex couples, I believe they have the freedom to do that. The government does not have a justification to do that, and basing your reasoning on the bible, like Alabama's finest homophobes are doing, is without merit and wholly irrelevant to the issue of equal treatment under the law.
3700  Other / Politics & Society / Alabama Chief Justice of SupCt Doesn't Understand Supremacy Clause on: January 28, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Vows to defy federal court ruling striking down Alabama same-sex marriage ban and continue denying same-sex marriage licenses.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/alabama_chief_justice_roy_moor_1.html

Southern Poverty Law Center files ethics complaint in response, seeking to remove him from office for judicial misconduct (again):  http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/southern_poverty_law_center.html

It's Wallace standing in the door of the schoolhouse all over again, demanding the federal government leave segregation intact. How proud Alabama citizens must be!
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