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3721  Economy / Speculation / Charts: How an ETF Approval Could Impact Bitcoin's Price on: February 11, 2017, 12:47:47 AM
http://www.coindesk.com/charts-etf-approval-impact-bitcoins-price/



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This infographic of bitcoin's price is something I've been pondering today.

It tells bitcoin's often dramatic price story in fundamental trend lines that abstract away some serious doses of speculative activity.


There's a lot in this chart, so lets break it down:

    In late 2015 through to May 2016, we saw a three cats and a moon consolidation pattern play out over six months after a multi-level marketing (MMM) pyramid scheme took bitcoin price action through some exciting times.
    By early June 2016, we saw a speculative bubble (marked in green above) as the market sought to price in the upcoming block reward halving event. This was to be the second halving event, slashing payout and therefore the supply of new bitcoins from 25 BTC every 10 minutes to… well, exactly half to 12.5 BTC.
    Leading up to this, many people were afraid miners would exit (taking their protective hashing power with them), and that the block processing would slow and the price could crash. This did not happen. What happened was simply that the markets saw less sell-side pressure from miners who had fewer newly minted coins to sell. (The blue trend shows the steeper rate of price appreciation this had on the markets.)
    Finally, what we may be seeing from Q4 2016 to present is the market undergoing a much larger and longer speculative phase for the upcoming bitcoin ETF decision. If approved, hundreds of millions at a minimum are expected to be poured into bitcoin. Understandably, the blue-shaded area in our infographic would then be drawn out.


There is a lot more in this article - I highly recommend people click and read it.
3722  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Good coins on Bittrex that aren't on Poloniex? on: February 10, 2017, 11:54:39 PM
Golos, which is a Russian clone of Steem, is on Bittrex but not on Poloniex. If they build up a following and the trading volume increases, there is a possibility they might end up on Poloniex as well.
3723  Economy / Speculation / Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FUD on: February 10, 2017, 11:51:49 PM
Each time there is a FUD around here and generally whenever it is time for dips it is the best opportunity that anyone can hope for.
you are either a long term hodler who can buy in these dips and enjoy the continuous upward movement (the green arrow) or you can be a short term trader who sells on top and buys back in the dips with even more money at hand having accumulated more bitcoin in the end.



Well it never hurts to take profits when btc pops, and yes, you can always buy back, and pocket the difference.

I think BTC will trade in a range for a while.
3724  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Crashes as Chinese Exchanges OkCoin & Huobi Pause Withdrawal on: February 10, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
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China won't confiscate btc from exchanges, it is a robbery, and exchanges have own cold and hot wallets, how they can confiscate the bitcoin funds? Impossible, if that will be real, PBOC is criming, government should fire the head of PBOC.

PBOC is the government (or more precisely both are just subsidiary of the party). But yeah - they will not confiscate - they'll just allow moving the funds only between government approved wallets, this is the only way to stop BTC leaving the country and this is their goal announced already a few months ago. Next step will be controlling the Chinese miners.

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I would have thought that the people using bitcoin to evade Chinese capital controls were small fry. Most of the serious money uses property purchases abroad (they buy using a mortgage, and then take money slowly out of China to pay the mortgage, year on year).

Unless of course it is the miners who are getting their coins out of the country. They DO have a lot of money to take out that way. If they are shut down for capital flight, we have got trouble.

Chinese citizens can only move $50K yearly abroad - I don't think that there is an exception to paying mortgages - it would take 10 years to move half a million.

I guess some would move it slowly - but for most it would be more urgent now.

Remember that property values in the west are going up. So if you buy a huge house and take out a 25 year mortgage, using your $50,000 allowance to pay the mortgage is easy. If the property price goes up, then you can sell it, and you have a capital gain as well, and it will be outside China in dollars or pounds or Australian dollars. Ditto if you rent the property out, you get rental income, and again it will be outside China. Buying property is a very good way to accumulate money outside China.
3725  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Crashes as Chinese Exchanges OkCoin & Huobi Pause Withdrawal on: February 10, 2017, 05:35:04 PM
Rumors are that China is in the Midst of a Great Depression that will Rival the 1929 US version.

China is doing everything they can to prop up their Yuan, including blocking all outflows of capital from China.

So even when the Chinese exchanges do start allowing BTC & LTC to be withdrawn , expect their to be serious restrictions on those amounts.
(If they don't immediately reinstate a longer block not long after allowing them.)

China may start confiscating BTC from the exchanges and sell them to prop up the Yuan.
If they do , then we have to call BTC ,  BNTC instead.

BNTC = Better NOT Trust China

 Cool

FYI:
On a trading note , A month is a long time, BTC value could easily drop in half before the blocks are lifted.

China won't confiscate btc from exchanges, it is a robbery, and exchanges have own cold and hot wallets, how they can confiscate the bitcoin funds? Impossible, if that will be real, PBOC is criming, government should fire the head of PBOC.

Do you think the Chinese government are even remotely worried about the rights of common people? The PBOC is busy with a power play, and

the Chinese exchanges are rolling over to stay in business. They have already made significant changes to please the government agents, and

it is still not enough. I think the PBOC is on a fishing expedition to hunt down "tax avoiders" and "money launderers" and to curb Capital flight.

I would have thought that the people using bitcoin to evade Chinese capital controls were small fry. Most of the serious money uses property purchases abroad (they buy using a mortgage, and then take money slowly out of China to pay the mortgage, year on year).

Unless of course it is the miners who are getting their coins out of the country. They DO have a lot of money to take out that way. If they are shut down for capital flight, we have got trouble.
3726  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will the price of Dogecoin be by the year 2020? on: February 10, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
Unless there is some huge development, price is going to stay sideways.
Doge is still used for some gambling and to transfer some small amount of Bitcoin quickly, but I don't really see a price increase any time soon,
unless someone with a ton of money decides to pump the price a bit.

Doge has a subreddit, so any development would be announced there first:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/

They are more likely to go for social things though, sponsorships and so on, in order to increase awareness of the coin. The development is more about keeping wallets up to date and so on.
3727  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Crashes as Chinese Exchanges OkCoin & Huobi Pause Withdrawal on: February 10, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
Rumors are that China is in the Midst of a Great Depression that will Rival the 1929 US version.

China is doing everything they can to prop up their Yuan, including blocking all outflows of capital from China.

So even when the Chinese exchanges do start allowing BTC & LTC to be withdrawn , expect their to be serious restrictions on those amounts.
(If they don't immediately reinstate a longer block not long after allowing them.)

China may start confiscating BTC from the exchanges and sell them to prop up the Yuan.
If they do , then we have to call BTC ,  BNTC instead.

BNTC = Better NOT Trust China

 Cool

FYI:
On a trading note , A month is a long time, BTC value could easily drop in half before the blocks are lifted.

Well their foreign exchange reserves are dropping. See the following:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/07/china-jan-fx-reserves-fall-more-than-expected-to-2998-trillion-near-6-year-low.html

Their reserves were $3.99 trillion in 2014, they are now $2.98 trillion.

That means they have gotten through a trillion in just two years time. If they continue like that the reserves will be completely gopne in 5 years time.
3728  Economy / Economics / Re: Japan now #1 in volume on: February 10, 2017, 03:32:17 PM
It seems that Japan is now #1 in volume. China will start having less and less relevancy as other countries catch up in the importance of bitcoin. When this happens, we will see how 3 figures a BTC was always as cheap as hell. The days of chinese government backed price manipulation are numbered. PBOC trick to short the market is increasingly less effective as price recovers quickly. Shorters beware.

That's a good thing as long as their exchanges are regulated. Don't forget MtGox was located in Japan, and they dropped the ball in monitoring it.
3729  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Follow Cryptsy investigations at /r/cryptsyinsolvency on: February 10, 2017, 02:45:29 PM
The most recent report hilarious.

1. Vernon and his ex-wife bought a house for $1,374,000 with user funds (paid cash).

2. Then he bought here a $104k diamond ring (user funds).

3. He bought a Infiniti QX60 that was liquidated for $26,000.

4. He had over $3MM in a personal Coinbase account that he liquidated into his personal bank accounts.

The best part is Vernon is still selling user accounts onto the black market.

So funny. He literally had a license to print money. He could have probably covered all hacking losses on profits alone (assuming there was ever a hack in the first place), but he had already sucked the exchange dry.

Honestly I don't feel bad for the victims here. Everyone knew what happened to Mt. Gox. If you kept funds in an exchange you were taking the known risk.



Oh wow. Make sure your other passwords are completely different from your cryptsy password.
3730  Economy / Speculation / Re: What are the odds of Winklesoss ETF passing? [POLL] on: February 10, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
That one Winklevoss lawyer that worked on getting it approved cited the number one reason why it wouldn't get approved was due to 95% of the trading volume taking place in China.  

However, thanks to China curbing margin trading, worldwide volume has now evened out nicely around the world.

Here is the article from the Winky lawyer.

http://www.coindesk.com/ex-gemini-lawyer-sec-unlikely-to-approve-winklevoss-bitcoin-etf/

I think the SEC won't want to miss out the next big thing.  Plus Trump has surrounded himself with some Bitcoin friendly people who have for sure brought it up to him at least (Peter Thiel, Mick Mulvaney, and even sat down with 21,inc CEO Balaji Svinivasan)



Nevermind what I said.  With what China has done with the exchanges this morning, the ETF is screwed!  Price is too easily manipulated by communist China.

Or maybe them enforcing KYC requirements will reassure the SEC. One exchange BTCC seems to be fine, the other two should start allowing withdrawals BEFORE the SEC decision.

Of course if withdrawals are still not allowed on March 11th, then I agree, the ETF might not go ahead. 
3731  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where is the Balance? on: February 10, 2017, 01:44:14 PM


You still don't get it: you're describing the status quo, not how things have changed.


Let's put it a different way: if, in 2010, a government issued a decree that all small businesses must pay a 90% revenue tax, businesses would have no choice but to comply (and almost certainly go out of business). In 2020, the same decree would not have the same effect.

So, the balance of power has changed between Bitcoin based businesses and the governments in their respective jurisdictions. Where the government previously had almost all power, Bitcoin businesses now have the power to resist draconianism, they have a bargaining chip where they previously had none.

Things haven't changed and won't change. Bitcoin isn't anonymous, it is pseudonymous. That means govts can enforce their laws if they want to.

If you don't like the laws in a given jurisdiction, you need to move. Staying put and imagining that a bit of technology will get round legal structures is wishful thinking.
3732  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: any good payment gateway to suggest? on: February 10, 2017, 01:09:21 PM
Coinbase has merchant options. See

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/en/portal/topics/607769-merchant-services/articles

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1409744-how-do-i-register-as-a-merchant-

Coinbase are American, plus they are insured, so safe.

3733  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Crashes as Chinese Exchanges OkCoin & Huobi Pause Withdrawal on: February 10, 2017, 01:05:13 PM
Without forgetting that they are going to apply fees (since they wasn't doing that before) and I personally doubt that this is a coincidence as Kraken was down as well and users experienced an 404 error page , It's probably more like a plan to drop the price.

Well it is kinda weird that this sort of news only comes out when bitcoin gets over $1050.
3734  Economy / Speculation / Re: After the usual PBOC bullshit routine. Uptrend continues. on: February 09, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
in this case the reason is pretty clear. chinese exchanges have to stop btc withdrawal until AML implementation.

https://twitter.com/cnLedger


This really got them. In just two hours they manage to bring down the price to sub 900. They dumped their coins, I buy them cheap. Lucky for us.
I just do not get it why do they have to dump their coins? Can't they just transfer it to another exchange?

I think that they cannot touch now neither BTC, nor CNY deposited in the exchanges.
And the estimated time for making the systems AML compliant is .. 1 month (!)
"Estimated 1 month but can be significantly ahead of schedule if it went well", meaning they leave enough room for speculation.

Edit: however, markets already recovered some 20$

It is a pity they didn't do this ages ago, when the price was lower and the fallout less. I feel sorry for the Chinese who have money trapped on the exchanges.
3735  Economy / Speculation / Re: What are the odds of Winklesoss ETF passing? on: February 07, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
The crackdown on fake trading in China should help. The SEC would probably have never approved anything where trading was 90% in China. Now it looks like western exchanges control 2/3rds of the trading.

However, the mining concentration in China is still a problem. There are a cartel already, which is a no-no, and if the Chinese govt wanted to get spiteful they could close it down. It would have been better if mining was distributed around the world.
3736  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the economy situation in your country that bad? on: February 06, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
Well in Brexit Britain things are going pretty well. But that is because people are feeling good that we are leaving the EU and that our govt is obediently carrying out our wishes to leave.

When voters control govts things tend to go well in general. It is when they feel their govts arn't responding to their needs that despair sets in and things go wrong.
3737  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Which is the best altcoin exchange? on: February 06, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
The best exchanges are the most liquid. So it depends on what you are trading.

For some coins Poloniex is the most liquid, for others Bittrex. Check on coinmarket cap for your coin, and then trade using the most liquid exchange for that coin.
3738  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin value is returned to 1000$ again on: February 06, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
I think speculators are hoping that the SEC approves the Winklevoss ETF. If it happens bitcoin will soar. If they decline, we might fall back to about $800.
3739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price climbing fast again on: February 05, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
The price movement now is just a self fulfiling prophecy. The people that bought earlier are buying a little more to gain more confidence in their own decisions and people that had sold earlier are just assured that it will grow by the price not falling. Thats how I see it.

There is that classical chartpattern called "bulltrap" which could be forming out just right now. I exspected that to happen some week earlier. Predictions aren't really easy to do, but if that (above) happens kust everybody will announce it's been "clear from the beginning" since it's pretty distinctive.

It might be a bulltrap. But it might just be holding inn a range till we find out in March the outcome of the Winklevoss ETF application. If it is denied the price will drop. If agreed, the price should shoot up.
3740  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: News about XRP Ripple ? on: February 03, 2017, 07:15:16 PM
One thing about coins with real-life usage like ripples is the price stability and relatively few pumps. Taking LTC and Doge for instance, their prices are so predictable... it will take a while for XRP to pump to 800+ satoshi, like once or twice a year occurrence.

But what is the real-life usage of Ripple? At least with Doge and LTC you can buy things, I don't think Ripple has an ecosystem at all.
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