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3721  Other / Politics & Society / Re: U.S. kills 50 prisoners of ISIS in air strike on: January 23, 2015, 05:12:51 PM
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Dozens of Syrian civilians died last month after being jailed by ISIS for violating Sharia Law. But it wasn’t Islamic extremists who ended their lives—it was the United States.

An airstrike carried out Dec. 28 on an ISIS headquarters in the northern Syrian town of Al Bab may have killed more than 50 civilians, according to McClatchy. Reports gathered from eyewitness and a Syrian opposition human rights group revealed a death toll ranging between 55 and 61 civilian prisoners inside the building that was demolished by American missiles. Between 13 and 25 ISIS guards also died in the attack. If those numbers are accurate, it would represent the worst case of civilian deaths caused by the U.S. bombing of Syria.

One source told McClatchy that 35 prisoners were imprisoned for minor infractions of Islamic Law, “such as smoking, wearing jeans or appearing too late for the afternoon prayer,” Roy Gutman and Mousab Alhamadee reported.

The U.S. military did not confirm the airstrike until last weekend. An early Pentagon statement said there had been no evidence of civilian casualties but a later email from the Defense Department acknowledged there had been reports of some deaths.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/us-bombing-in-syria-kills-dozens-imprisoned-by-isis-for-violating-sharia-law-150114?news=855368

... and Pentagon logic will probably dictate that each of those deaths be counted as militant deaths by virtue of being in a place the US was trying to bomb and being killed by the bomb. That's how they count militant deaths in Afghanistan and Pakistan too. If we killed you, you were a militant.
3722  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's funny to see these thugs in Ferguson bitching about how they have nothing on: January 23, 2015, 05:06:47 PM
George Soros funds Ferguson protests, hopes to spur civil action


Liberal billionaire gave at least $33 million in one year to groups that emboldened activists


Only $33 million? Must not be that important.

What do I know. I am not a rich socialist. Bitcoin is all I want to believe in.

If you know all the names of the dead in #ferguson and ny. If you know the names of the cops involved. If you know people who got stuck in traffic for being whites with an outstanding amount of privilege they stole from every non whites. If you see a few seconds of #blacklivesmatter anywhere in your day to day life, 24/7.

Then $33M was a pretty ROI, won't you say?  Smiley


Assuming a movement can't happen because of some rich benefactor's involvement is simplistic. Your own source cites the fact that the money chased the movement, not the other way around as you're presenting it.
3723  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are the US and Russia about to become great allies? on: January 23, 2015, 05:04:27 PM
Sorry, I missed a bit. Cheesy

Shame on me, it was Catherine the Great of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire–United_States_relations#Russian_involvement_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

By the way, it's interesting that she's a distant relative of current UK's PM.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/david-cameron-catherine-great-painting-2939251



I think you will find much of Europe's royal families are related somewhere along the line. Many of them intentionally would only marry other royals, and this was even used as a diplomatic tool, linking two kingdoms/countries by family as a means to preserve peace among their peoples.
3724  Other / Politics & Society / Re: British PM Suggests Banning Encrypted Communication Mediums on: January 23, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
encryption is the only protection for privacy left.
It is the only mathematically secure way to guarantee your privacy. However governments should respect your privacy even when encryption is not used

The government thinks you should respect their authority and stop making unreasonable demands about being a private citizen.    Wink
3725  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again on: January 23, 2015, 04:49:35 PM
Why don't they cut the oil production, like they did in some war against Israel?

Even weaker industries do it when prices are falling at Bitcoin rates

My understanding now is that they are competing with so many other producers, they don't want to give up market share. They produce just about as cheap as oil can be produced due to beneficial location of their oil fields and easy, low cost extraction, so they can weather low prices for quite awhile while the higher cost producers cannot. It sounds like they've done the calculations and have concluded that losing market share would be more expensive to them in the long run.
3726  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pope on Charlie Hebdo: There are limits to free expression on: January 23, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
There are consequences to free expression, not limits...

If by consequences you mean violence, there is no justification for it. There is never justification to initiate violence.

False on many different levels. Unless your definition of violence requires "malicious intent", then it's true. However, I'm interpreting the context of violence in your post as meaning physical force. Never say never...

1. A threat is one form of expression which justifies the initiation of violence, when the issuer of that threat has the ability, means, and opportunity to carry out that threat in the moment it's issued. The recipient of that threat doesn't have any duty or obligation to wait for the threat to materialize before eliminating that threat by force.
2. Mental abuse has been shown to cause irreparable psychological damage, therefore when a person is being mentally abused, they have the right to initiate violence whenever violence is the most reasonable way to stop that damaging form of abuse; unlike a physical assault, they most likely have the opportunity to retreat, but if retreat is not possible, violence is justified to stop any form of damaging abuse.

Consequences do not mean violence in my post however, consequences represent any form of reaction. When people use expression without consideration of the likely reaction, they open themselves up to retaliation and sometimes get more than they expected. Without consideration, expression can be a dangerous personal liability.

Threats are a violation of someone's rights, so it wouldn't be applicable to my scenario where violence is initiated in response to expression, as freedom of expression does not include a threat. As for mental abuse, if someone is mentally abusing you, they are most likely physically abusing you as well, otherwise you would be free to remove yourself from the situation. If you're not free to leave of your own volition, I can see where the initiation of force in your own defense is warranted. If you are free to leave and do not, that does not make it OK to initiate violence, because you have chosen not to take the least destructive path. I cannot think of a situation where the initiation of physical violence is an appropriate response to someone who is being only mentally abused. (Maybe you have a scenario in mind that might change my mind?) Also, what constitutes mental abuse is in the mind of the sufferer. If you called me an idiot on this board for my views, I could be sensitive enough that it would cause me legitimate mental distress. That's hardly any fault of your own, but the fact that the threshold can vary so greatly person-to-person does not place liability on someone who expresses an opinion, even if it's offensive. But we're also not talking about these situations. (I take your point thought about never saying never. I was imprecise.)

The crux of this issue is how people are likely to react to someone else's expression, and really, that is irrelevant to me. If we know jihadi's kill people cuz they're mad at the depiction of their prophet, that never makes it OK when they kill people. The killers are wrong, every time, no matter how likely it is that they react in an unacceptable manner to someone else's expression. Expression can be a liability in a semantic sense only, not a legitimate sense that makes victim-blaming OK. Well, he shouldn't have said that because it was likely to provoke a reaction sounds an awful lot like well, she shouldn't have worn that because it was likely to provoke someone to rape her. No. The person committing the crime is wrong every time.

For the designation of abuse, it requires a recurrence of assaults. Insulting a person doesn't make for an abuse, it's merely an assault. However, repetitively assaulting a person constitutes abuse. Mental distress is not the damage caused by abuse, the damage caused by mental abuse is depression, retardation of social skills, anxiety, depreciation of self-worth, and many more. People can get over mental distress by shifting their concentration, the damage caused by abuse can be permanent...

It may be irrelevant to you, but it's not irrelevant. jihadists kill because they're engaged in a religious war. It's not OK for them to kill because of a picture of their prophet, but it's foolish to ignore the risks associated with painting a target on yourself when dealing with extremists. I'm not blaming the victim, nor have I said they are ever to blame.

People need to accept the reality that risk isn't black and white. "well, she shouldn't have worn that because it was likely to provoke someone to rape her." By choosing to deviate from the standard of society (standing out of the group of normality) she has absolutely increased her risk of being raped, even though that rape is not her fault, she was spotted by a predatory creature. It can be observed all around us in nature, predators will act predatory. My point isn't to place blame it's to assess the risks associated with our actions and see that certain actions increase the risk of adverse reaction.
 
If I choose to walk in a pit of snakes, I should accept the risk that I might be bitten by a snake. It's not my right not to be bitten, and the world doesn't owe it to me that I won't be. Refusing to acknowledge the risks of my actions will increase the probability that I won't experience my desired outcome.

I'm not saying not to express yourself for fear of retaliation either. I'm actually saying the contrary, protecting yourself is fundamental in nature. Even though we may live in civilization, human nature is inescapable, and is equally primal compared with animal nature... Don't walk through a snake pit with nothing but shorts and sandals...

Your "not victim blaming" and demanding people "take responsibility for the risks of their actions" through self-expression sound like the same thing to me. It is not reasonable to expect a higher risk of rape because of what you wear, or a higher risk of death because of what you say, because both of those consequences are irrational. If you say hi to me while walking down the street and I punch you in the face, your logic would conclude that getting punched in the face is just a risk of being friendly to someone, and that's not reasonable. If you're walking down the street and I tackle you for no reason, your logic would conclude that getting attacked is just a risk of walking down the street and minding your own business, and that's not reasonable. I refuse to accept any responsibility for someone else's irrationality, and I reject the notion that you can place someone else's irrational mindset as a liability on someone else.

You are not excused or justified and it is not understandable when you harm someone, whether it's out of the blue or in response to something they said, even if your feelings are hurt.
3727  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pope on Charlie Hebdo: There are limits to free expression on: January 16, 2015, 11:03:02 PM
There are consequences to free expression, not limits...

If by consequences you mean violence, there is no justification for it. There is never justification to initiate violence.

False on many different levels. Unless your definition of violence requires "malicious intent", then it's true. However, I'm interpreting the context of violence in your post as meaning physical force. Never say never...

1. A threat is one form of expression which justifies the initiation of violence, when the issuer of that threat has the ability, means, and opportunity to carry out that threat in the moment it's issued. The recipient of that threat doesn't have any duty or obligation to wait for the threat to materialize before eliminating that threat by force.
2. Mental abuse has been shown to cause irreparable psychological damage, therefore when a person is being mentally abused, they have the right to initiate violence whenever violence is the most reasonable way to stop that damaging form of abuse; unlike a physical assault, they most likely have the opportunity to retreat, but if retreat is not possible, violence is justified to stop any form of damaging abuse.

Consequences do not mean violence in my post however, consequences represent any form of reaction. When people use expression without consideration of the likely reaction, they open themselves up to retaliation and sometimes get more than they expected. Without consideration, expression can be a dangerous personal liability.

Threats are a violation of someone's rights, so it wouldn't be applicable to my scenario where violence is initiated in response to expression, as freedom of expression does not include a threat. As for mental abuse, if someone is mentally abusing you, they are most likely physically abusing you as well, otherwise you would be free to remove yourself from the situation. If you're not free to leave of your own volition, I can see where the initiation of force in your own defense is warranted. If you are free to leave and do not, that does not make it OK to initiate violence, because you have chosen not to take the least destructive path. I cannot think of a situation where the initiation of physical violence is an appropriate response to someone who is being only mentally abused. (Maybe you have a scenario in mind that might change my mind?) Also, what constitutes mental abuse is in the mind of the sufferer. If you called me an idiot on this board for my views, I could be sensitive enough that it would cause me legitimate mental distress. That's hardly any fault of your own, but the fact that the threshold can vary so greatly person-to-person does not place liability on someone who expresses an opinion, even if it's offensive. But we're also not talking about these situations. (I take your point thought about never saying never. I was imprecise.)

The crux of this issue is how people are likely to react to someone else's expression, and really, that is irrelevant to me. If we know jihadi's kill people cuz they're mad at the depiction of their prophet, that never makes it OK when they kill people. The killers are wrong, every time, no matter how likely it is that they react in an unacceptable manner to someone else's expression. Expression can be a liability in a semantic sense only, not a legitimate sense that makes victim-blaming OK. Well, he shouldn't have said that because it was likely to provoke a reaction sounds an awful lot like well, she shouldn't have worn that because it was likely to provoke someone to rape her. No. The person committing the crime is wrong every time.
3728  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's funny to see these thugs in Ferguson bitching about how they have nothing on: January 16, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
George Soros funds Ferguson protests, hopes to spur civil action


Liberal billionaire gave at least $33 million in one year to groups that emboldened activists


Only $33 million? Must not be that important.
3729  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Baker who refused to bake for gay wedding labeled a ‘Nazi’ by Colo. civil rights on: January 16, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
Is there a difference in your mind between a business that won't serve gays and a business that won't serve people of color, or are both refusals equivalent? (General question to anyone in this thread.)

We need segregation.  Smiley

Unfortunately, I don't know if you're kidding or not, cuz some of the views you express are whacked out of this world.
3730  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are the US and Russia about to become great allies? on: January 16, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
USA exists mostly because Russian Empire recognized its independence and supplied them with weapons.

When USA declared its independence, Britain's monarchy requested Russian Empire to help them in suppression of this rebellion, offering gold in exchange for help. Alexander II rejected this proposal, and said that Britain have to deal with this problem themselves. And started supporting the US. Roll Eyes



 Huh Wasn't Alexander II born after the American Revolution had already ended?

The French were openly helping the Americans. I'm not sure the Russians declining to help the British can be cited as the reason the USA exists... In fact, I'm sure of it.
3731  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Backs Government-Run Internet on: January 16, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.





Did the GOP cave on net neutrality?


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/16/did-the-gop-cave-on-net-neutrality/


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I hope you'll give me the authorization of spamming my own thread with unrelated C3POBL1C4NS links? I take it as a yes!

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy





Permission granted.
3732  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SEVEN SHODDY EXCUSES LEFTIES USE TO JUSTIFY THE MASSACRES IN PARIS on: January 16, 2015, 05:40:21 PM


Translation of the speech bubble: It's hard to be liked by idiots.
3733  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: January 16, 2015, 03:48:37 PM
Can you add other coins, likely dogecoin or litecoin, if possible add altcoins  Cheesy

I'm just responding because I've asked the same question before and he's said he's not really interested in doing other coins, but that the source was open code, so anyone is really free to start a similar site for another coin.

That's the last I heard on it and where it currently stands, unless he changes his mind for the future.
3734  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pope on Charlie Hebdo: There are limits to free expression on: January 16, 2015, 03:45:15 PM
If, however, you are actually being (non-hypothetically) hostile to me with your post, then yes, you are actually being a jerk since the insult is uncalled for.

And that IMO is the crux of the whole issue.


I agree the initiation of insults is uncalled for, and insulting another culture is just plain mean, but the next question is always so what? If someone wants to be a jerk and insult people for no reason, you're free to do so. Violence is never an appropriate response.

Violence is never an appropriate response.
3735  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pope on Charlie Hebdo: There are limits to free expression on: January 16, 2015, 03:40:10 PM
There are consequences to free expression, not limits...

If by consequences you mean violence, there is no justification for it. There is never justification to initiate violence.
3736  Other / Politics & Society / Re: British PM Suggests Banning Encrypted Communication Mediums on: January 16, 2015, 03:36:16 PM


Secret US cybersecurity report: encryption vital to protect private data

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/15/-sp-secret-us-cybersecurity-report-encryption-protect-data-cameron-paris-attacks

<< Newly uncovered Snowden document contrasts with British PM’s vow to crack down on encrypted messaging after Paris attacks.

A secret US cybersecurity report warned that government and private computers were being left vulnerable to online attacks from Russia, China and criminal gangs because encryption technologies were not being implemented fast enough.

The advice, in a newly uncovered five-year forecast written in 2009, contrasts with the pledge made by David Cameron this week to crack down on encryption use by technology companies. >>



Well the obvious solution to this problem: Sure, encrypt your data to keep it secure from the Big Bad Russians and those Menacing Chinese, but make sure you leave the keys with Benevolent Big Brother so He can keep you safe!
3737  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN national poll: Rand Paul 13%, Bush 13%, Ryan 12%, Huckabee 10%, Christie 9% on: January 16, 2015, 03:33:19 PM
Paul Says He'd Be "Happy" to Dissolve the U.N.

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Rand Paul is not a fan of the United Nations, and on a campaign-style swing through New Hampshire on Wednesday, the likely Republican presidential hopeful said that he would support dissolving the international governing body entirely.

Speaking to a room full of gun rights advocates at the Londonderry Fish & Game Club, Paul said that while the concept of having a multinational body to "discuss diplomacy" isn't necessarily a bad one, he objects to the current structure, in which the United States has to foot "a huge chunk" of the U.N.'s bill.

“I dislike paying for something that two-bit Third World countries with no freedom attack us and complain about the United States,” Paul said. “There’s a lot of reasons why I don’t like the U.N., and I think I’d be happy to dissolve it.”

The Kentucky senator’s swing through the first-in-the-nation primary state came a day after The Washington Post reported that Paul has hired a campaign manager for his now all-but certain White House run.

Paul was in his element among the libertarian-leaning crowd here, as he took a range of questions on gun policy and noted that he began his successful 2010 Senate bid at a machine gun festival in Kentucky.

“From a freedom perspective, I’m against limiting magazines,” Paul said in response to one question about ammunition. “From a practical point of view, I’m not that great a shot, so I need a few more chances.”

The remark drew laughter from the standing-room crowd that had gathered near the club’s gun range.

Though Paul’s 2016 candidacy is not yet official, the freshman senator mostly dispensed with any attempt to play it coy as he asked for the club members’ support.

“I don’t think you’ll probably find anybody in our primary who’s going to come up here and say they don’t support the 2nd Amendment and they’re not for gun rights,” he said. “So really the job of voters sometimes is sifting through who they think can best advocate for the position, who has advocated for the position, and how do we do it best. I think there’s a lot of overlap between all of the people you’ll see and hear from. But I think one thing that may be unique about my message is that I try to intertwine and make it not just about guns and not just the 2nd Amendment. I tend to make it more about freedom.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/01/14/rand_paul_says_hed_be_happy_to_dissolve_the_un_125260-comments.html

Maybe "dissolve the UN" is a poor choice of words in favor of "withdraw." It's quite arrogant to take the position that we are done being part of the world diplomatic body, so we're gonna shut it down, despite the fact that there are 190-ish (?) other countries with membership there.

I'm taking my ball and going home, and also forbidding the rest of you to play with a different ball!
3738  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SEVEN SHODDY EXCUSES LEFTIES USE TO JUSTIFY THE MASSACRES IN PARIS on: January 16, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
I am as biased as you are. I always will be. You always will be (although, I don't pay attention to names on any forum, so I don't know what you stand for on anything exactly.)

There always will be something new to discuss, yes.

Unless changing my wordings, no need to say you are sorry. Too many pictures in this case.

Although, thanks to my deeply held belief in my supreme faith of my bias, those images were ULTRA relevant to all. I understand you do not agree. If you are my polar opposite in Bizarro World, then it was imperative you'd found these images irrelevant to your own bias...

If you believe what the author of the article said is wrong, then provide the links and prove the author wrong. To me the article was clear, concise and fabulous.

One could almost read it as effortlessly as playing Chopin on a Bösendorfer.........

 Smiley
Man, let's not run in circles.
You're supposed to provide me with the links supporting the article.
The article contained nothing to support its rhetoric. I've also demonstrated two lies by the author.

For the record though, I am biased in favor of the truth, and I hate political labels.
So please don't worry about my stance. I am an equal opportunity dick to the right, left and center.

He's already stated he's not interested in proving the author right. The author's rhetoric fit his worldview, so there was no need to question the authenticity of the claims made. Lack of critical thinking is why the left-right paradigm is dooming the country. It's also why Wilikon posts conservative blog spam instead of actual news sources. He's not interested in the news event unless it's presented with an anti-Obama or anti-liberal opinion piece packaged around it.

I've pointed out an obvious counter-point to the author as well, and it was completely ignored.

I like your stance of being biased in favor of truth and disregarding political labels. I self-identify as libertarian, but I hold traditional liberal and conservative values based on what idea is the best for the situation. It's not always the idea that would be identified with pure libertarianism.
3739  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Backs Government-Run Internet on: January 16, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.
3740  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Baker who refused to bake for gay wedding labeled a ‘Nazi’ by Colo. civil rights on: January 15, 2015, 10:02:12 PM
Is there a difference in your mind between a business that won't serve gays and a business that won't serve people of color, or are both refusals equivalent? (General question to anyone in this thread.)
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