The size of the unit itself may be the part that gets you into trouble with your own customers.
Heh.
It will hopefully be funny when the review comes out and BFLs size becomes it's biggest limitation. (assuming it doesn't also overheat in that little clam-shell of a box)
EDIT: BFL forums is down? Perhaps they ran for the hills?? Yes, because this makes sense. Do you even read what you write? We offer a box that's a bit over 92mm square and 75mm high, compared to a 4U minitower and somehow people will be pissed? Right... Yes, my good sir, exactly correct. Hahahaha now that's comedy gold - cause all you have to sell are boxes with fans As of right now, it's a hell of a lot more than Avalon has. Really? I suppose we shall soon know, right?  |
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You could certainly fit a Nexus 7 on the front. I mean, the thing is the size of a Minirig SC. Heh... a BFL single with power brick at the same GH/s is smaller than the PSU of the Avalon. Comedy gold. The size of the unit itself may be the part that gets you into trouble with your own customers. Heh. It will hopefully be funny when the review comes out and BFLs size becomes it's biggest limitation. (assuming it doesn't also overheat in that little clam-shell of a box) EDIT: BFL forums is down? Perhaps they ran for the hills?? |
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I wonder if a manual is going to come with this thing. This seems like its going to be a small pain in the butt without a usb port. Whoever buys this will have to have at least a small knowledge of networking because either
A) It will come with a static address so you can plug in directly to it and telnet/ssh in to change the it to the appropriate address so you can use it normally Hopefully it comes with a crossover cable to facilitate an easy set up. B) it will pick up a dhcp address and you will have to log into your router and figure out the address based on that. They could make the manual available online as a PDF. Then there is the issue of actually configuring it to work with software remotely . . . If you misconfigure something and block yourself from the box, how do you reset it to get back in? Good question... Hopefully they implemented a jumper or something. I have a feeling that even if you got this device tomorrow, you still won't be able to use it for a while. Maybe I'm wrong and they already have it working with a miner. While I bought into BFL I'm honestly not hating or trolling. I'd like to see this thing actually work. Perhaps this is why there isn't any video yet.
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 Anyone notice that they always take a picture of it from the rear? Why are they hiding the front for? (Hidden nexus 7?) (Kidding) Edit: You have all these exhaust fans in the back, so what does the front look like? It has to be slotted in the front right?  Um, if that is the front, then how do we control the bloody thing? Telepathy? There aren't any USB or Ethernet ports. |
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Anyone notice that they always take a picture of it from the rear? Why are they hiding the front for? (Hidden nexus 7?) (Kidding) Edit: You have all these exhaust fans in the back, so what does the front look like? It has to be slotted in the front right? |
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I should probably say Jeff's unit, I paid about ~$400 USD to "get it out of the country", so it is definitely on it's way and I'm sure it'll arrive before this week ends assuming there's no problems with US customs.
Again, only a matter of time.
Why did it cost so much? |
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I'm not imposing anything. A demonstration will come by a customer very soon, if you wish to wait until then, go ahead; but you then run into the risk of not making into batch #2, and where if I don't open orders now, I run into the issue not able to order parts before CNY, which has a pretty long lead time.
Something smells fishy. Sounds pretty logical to me. They need to pre-buy parts for batch 2. CNY is coming so they need to put the orders in before it starts. Like BFL they get bigger discounts when buying in bulk, so I don't see the fishy part. Though, I would be one of the folks who waits for the review. Of course like he said...those who wait lose the opportunity. I am pretty sure they will sell out in less than an hour like last time. |
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I was hoping for an updated defcon graphic I don't raise or lower those values easily. They need substance to be raised or lowered  . |
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1. since when are people under the impression bitsyncom = avalon-asic? they are two different sites with completely different purposes. 2. the support url is http://support.avalon-asic.com not the forum.bitsyn.com which I've retired about a month ago already... As for new information, we are still dealing with the custom issues I've previously mentioned, but Jeff should receive his units within this week, and everything will be clear then.All team member is running around deal with other issues like securing parts for next batch of orders and such, to put things in perspective we have cleaned the market of some certain parts like resistors and capacitors. We have to order directly from factories now, mountain of work to do. to keep things interesting, here's a picture. @ Bitsyncom I don't want to waste your time. I certainly do not want you to become like Inaba trolling the forums. But a few things you could answer to alleviate the silence are: !)Could you clarify what your role is with the Avalon Team? !) What is the difference between Bitsyncom and Avalon? I thought Bitsyncom was hosting the official Avalon forums? (Which no one ever used) !) What are the customs issues about? Are they severe issues? Be as specific as you can be so we have a realistic idea of what the wait time may be.!) You mentioned you are shipping but we don't know what the shipping issues are and what they may mean for arrival times. Please inform us so we don't have to keep pestering you about it.Could you give Gmaxwell (privately) a phone number you can be contacted at? I just realize we have no real way to contact you besides emails. If there is a panic, he can contact you for us. (Instead of having dozens and dozens of people all clogging your lines) We really need something that none of the ASIC companies ever seem to provide. A regular daily update that takes a few minutes to tap out each day. Just this keeps the panic at bay. I am not asking you to engage trolls if you seriously don't have the time. But...At least type a line or two each day to give us an idea as to how the situation is evolving. |
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1. since when are people under the impression bitsyncom = avalon-asic? they are two different sites with completely different purposes. 2. the support url is http://support.avalon-asic.com not the forum.bitsyn.com which I've retired about a month ago already... As for new information, we are still dealing with the custom issues I've previously mentioned, but Jeff should receive his units within this week, and everything will be clear then.All team member is running around deal with other issues like securing parts for next batch of orders and such, to put things in perspective we have cleaned the market of some certain parts like resistors and capacitors. We have to order directly from factories now, mountain of work to do. to keep things interesting, here's a picture. I wish that picture had something else next to it so I could get an idea as to how big it actually is. . . and how about some videos? ATX power supplies are of a known and standard size: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer)#AppearanceYou can determine the size of the box from that. |
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Is it just me or did that webpage just change to something even more insulting?
It sure did. Someone sure is trying to hide their tracks. What did it change to? It's down for me. here you go. http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://8.bitsyn.comi dunno how archive.org works.. but i see the crazy page with this. ngzhang logged in for about a minute about 20 minutes ago. It coincided with the site now becoming inaccessible. So they are reading us for certain. Why they are ignoring us is a good question. I am going to take a wild guess and say Ngzhang is in the USA but Bitsyncom (Yifu) is probably in China. It is rather idiotic to me that we should even have to bother with these kinds of worries. |
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I wonder how many btc does one real phone number area code 347 NYC worth in this thread
3 BTC for one year. |
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 Alright, their sites have seemingly been wiped of any personal data, is that what I can infer? I have raised the alert level to Defcon 2.  P.S. It looks like it is a case of a naked template. Not of someone wiping their site intentionally. |
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SHA-256 is used to encrypt data
How does that work? Show me how to decrypt a SHA256 hash back to its original contents. Step 1, generate random contents Step 2, hash it Step 3, compare to a known hash. If matches and random contents makes sense you done, if does not match loop to step 1. I am going to say that you have made the most elegant comeback I have ever read in a long while. You are a rising star in my book! Last I checked, hashing and encryption are two different things. They only barely resemble one another on a superficial level. |
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I think it is not guaranteed that a mini-rig is always more efficient than a Single SC
I would actually guess that the Minirig will be slightly less efficient than the Single, depending on the power supply used. The Supernova in the MR is Gold rated, if you use something similar the single might come in lower as I'm going to guess that the power density of the MR is going to mean more power will be required to cool it that the equivalent number of SCs would use. Per the picture linked below, the only PSU that is 1500w and has a handle on it like that is this -> http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=120-PG-1500-XRhttps://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachments/announcements/395d1358119509-bfl-asic-status-2013-01-11_032.jpgThe PSU can even do 1650w at 208v and is rated for 90% efficiency. Running on higher voltages should make the PSU even more efficient. As for cooling, my mini rigs have 9 fans on each wall in push pull configuration. If there are 24 PCBs per mini rig this would mean that there would be less fans than running 24 singles. Are they Deltas? If so then I think each one can take anywhere from 12watts up to 30watts for the high end (very high volume) Deltas. The ones in Avalons look like (speculation of course) the cheap-o transparent types. I have no clue if they DC or AC. |
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@ Team Avalon
Why hasn't there been any news update?
We clearly see you logging in repeatedly.
Why not update us if there are any issues or problems that have cropped up?
It is getting comical. While there's no reason (yet) to think this is a scam or that they're run into significant issues or delays, they couldn't be handling this worse baring getting all drunk up and making bets. What is it about the ASIC business that makes formerly open and approachable people become completely anti-social? Worse yet, their company forum is also down. http://forum.bitsyn.com/viewforum.phpIf there is a big issue they should at least tell us it is so. There is never any point in keeping it a secret. Worse yet, why bother logging in frequently and then ignore customer concerns? Does that make sense? I understand they are hands off in terms of customer service, but at least saying something is better than just letting it be. |
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@ Team Avalon
Why hasn't there been any news update?
We clearly see you logging in repeatedly.
Why not update us if there are any issues or problems that have cropped up?
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This.
In part, I partially understand some secrecy...they're building devices for a niche market, and would preferably like to create a monopoly. If, for example, BFL went about parading their chip specs, processes, and every other little detail, companies like Avalon could come along, scoop up that info, piece it together and create a slightly better product.
I'm not saying I agree with all the secrecy behind this project, but I am saying that I can understand some of it.
I am sure that Avalon team is so damn stupid and their only and last hope is to "steal" BFL super secret technology  Which absolutely means that they will ship after BFL unless BFL get bankrupt in a first place Just for the reference all post is a joke - irony No Drama here. What we Avalon customers need is a little more patience. I think Avalon is making BFL lose money every time they have to compete. When BFL ships and the Avalons device is revealed, they (BFL) will likely have to waste even more money trying to change their features and designs. Right now all BFL has is overclocking ability. That's about it. It is also unknown what kind of overclocking ability or support they (BFL) will give out to miners of their hardware. It is an interesting situation. You could allow Single SC to overclock up to 80GH/s. But that would dilute the purchase of Mini-rigs owners who plunked 30k on the table if a 1.2k purchase comes out to 1/10th or 1/15th of the speed of a Mini-rig. Keep in mind the power supply in a Mini-rig is already defined. So there isn't much hope in seriously overclocking a Mini-Rig. As 24 boards would quickly consume the extra headroom built into the power supply. |
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I can't help but notice a distinct lack of Inaba vs PuertoLibre bickering in this thread. Something should be done.
I never agreed to it. I also don't like beating red headed step children who throw tantrums. Inaba is a foregone conclusion in the loathed among loathed. He turned his reputation inside and out [all on his own]. Why enrage him any further? Let the man have his peace of mind. |
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What’s beyond me is some folks on BFL forum. They seem to be online 24 hours a day. All their messages are in favor of BFL. 100 percent. They behave almost like a help desk or a sales rep. Some messages are elaborate and thoughtful (although most are simply junk). Which made me think: How come? Don’t they have family? Friends? A job? I just chocked on my coffee as you got mysteriously close to something you should not think about. Shhhh! Shhhhh! Why do they do it? I mean even playing World of Warcraft or Second Life 24 hours a day is more exciting.
Do these people get money from BFL? (serious question!)
Do not pay attention to that! Avert your eyes! Do these people get money from BFL? (serious question!)
What if they are BFL? Incognito --->  <--- BFL? Surely that is crazy talk! |
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