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3741  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 24, 2017, 03:52:21 PM

In certain third world nations, some of the radical religious groups (such as the Jehova's Witnesses and the Wahabbis) urge their followers to shun vaccinations and modern medicine. Actually, I don't really care if their children get crippled. But here, they are also putting the other children to risk as well.

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"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

  -- Hermann Göring

Classic trick for moving the herd in whatever direction is desired.  Once one knows the trick one notices it being used in some variation all over the place.  Usually by slimeballs or their useful idiot minions.

3742  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 24, 2017, 05:51:00 AM
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I wouldn't compare mandatory vaccination to being forced to let go of my body and upload my mind into a droid. The droid example sounded more like a punishment. I may be overthinking stuff but I believe the reason for forced vaccination is not to protect the individual but the group as a whole. Why would I want possible vectors walking around when they can be immunized to prevent them infecting the weaker members who can't get a vaccination (for example the really young and old).
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People doing bad things is probably a bigger threat to members of society than naturally occurring pathogens.

If everyone were fitted with a neural lace for monitoring, crime in it's various forms could be reduced to near zero.  Anyone who was about to commit a crime, or even get themselves into trouble by doing something dangerous, could be stopped from harming others or saved from themselves.

Such a thing would have other benefits as well.  Instant and intimate feelversations with anyone else in the hive, regardless of geo-location, would be trivial (and the amount you pay the corporation would probably be less than an SMS of a few years ago.)  Also, no need to try to remember a bunch of passwords.

A neural lace would probably be much less invasive to the human body than manipulation of our immune systems which are highly complex.  If corporations performed the safety studies (with science!) and government entities signed off on the studies, would you be comfortable having one grown within your brain and initiated?  Would you be comfortable forcing others who have some 'crazy paranoia' thing going and don't trust the powers that be to avoid mis-using the framework to undergo the procedure?

3743  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The level of unpopularity Trump grows. on: March 22, 2017, 11:40:50 PM

Data brought to you by the same people who gave Hillary a 98% chance of winning the 2016 election.

3744  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you think about the housing price in China? on: March 22, 2017, 11:38:48 PM

I see China as the prototype for how the rest of the world is to work under global corporate government.  The CCP is endowed with the type of political control which makes such 'research and development' efficient.

While not especially easy to own a home, it is still possible for some in the major urban areas of China it seems.  When I was in Beijing it was the case that parents did everything in their power to get their male child a home so that he could attract a wife.  Resentment and demoralization among those who found it impossible was palpable.  The end-goal of TPTB here is back to having no ownership like back in the communist days, but this time corporations own everything and the peeps rent everything from said.  Currently we are in a phase where things go so bad that the people beg for a savior (which will, magically, just happen to come in just the form desired by corp/gov.)  Here in the U.S. the soft-points are in income and health-care though housing is also becoming increasingly impossible for most to achieve as well.

If I were an independent minded Chinese I would look to Africa for a wife, some property, and more than anything a way to get out from under the thumb of the CPP (and their sponsors) never to return.  No matter how things turn out it's probably a better play than sticking around in China (for the type of person I mention...most are probably better off with whatever their leadership arranges for them.  Probably 'bullet stopper' in a lot of cases.)

3745  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 22, 2017, 10:15:47 PM
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If anything we need MORE disease to limit population growth.  Further, the right kinds of disease or impairment can produce significant advantages from a political and economic perspective, and designing other social control infrastructure around it can multiply the effect by orders of magnitude.  Looking at things through this lens makes a lot of observations fall neatly into place.
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By the way, you saying we need more diseases to limit population is just cruel. What would you suggest next, a maximum age limit for existence?

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel , Obamacare contributor and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm, beat me to it.

I sort of respect the guy for stating his beliefs and making his argument, and I'm not at all surprised to see him be censored by people who very likely have a similar belief.  The main difference would be that those who censored the guy mostly believe that your life should not extend past a particular age but not necessarily their own.

I don't think I would enjoin in a suicide pact with a guy like Emanuel, and if I did, I'd be like 'trust but verify'.

I am predicting that by the time I'm scheduled for the mortal coil I'll be offered 'immortality' (upload into the borg) if I choose to go easily, or to struggle against the very same useful idiot a-holes who are currently calling for forced injection at gunpoint ('For the greater good' of course.)  I also predict that the AI immortality will be a total sham.

3746  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 22, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
I know of a situation in Africa in which after the children were vaccinated against polio, the vaccine which was supposed to cure polio ended making the children that were vaccinated being crippled rather.
I am not sure how to respond to this ,may be they have provided fake vaccines or low quality medicine,if it is properly managed and developed under strict government regulation vaccines are used to cure rather than crippling and i have not heard about it in my county,may be because they are superior when it comes to medicine.

It's hardly uncommon to tailor vaccines to a country based on the particular 'needs' of the country in question

https://www.pop.org/content/bad-blood-philippines

From: http://www.zebrafactcheck.com/did-kissinger-call-depopulation-a-priority/
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We did not find an attribution for the whole quotation. But when we broke the quotation into pieces we found a big hunk in NSSM 200, also known as “Implications of Worldwide Population Growth For U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (THE KISSINGER REPORT).” NSSM stands for “National Security Study Memorandum.” The government document was published in 1974 and made public in 1980.
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Whatever may be done to guard against interruptions of supply and to develop domestic alternatives, the U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. That fact gives the U.S. enhanced interest in the political, economic, and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population pressures through reduced birth rates can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resource supplies and to the economic interests  of the United States.

I'm all for good-faith efforts to help others with their problems, but when the driving force is to help one's crony friends and sponsors make more money it is totally reasonable to expect the programs and implementation to be unethical.

To this day all U.S. presidents regularly make the pilgrimage to kiss Henry Kissinger's ring.  Including Trump so it seems, though it would be awfully interesting to be a fly on the wall.

People who will risk their kid's well-being on the assumption that they are 'western' and thus immune from the machinations of the likes of Kissinger, Gates, and Merck probably deserve what they get.  From my perspective, the problem with these people is that they are likely to be holding the guns which force others into taking the same crap-shoot with their own kids.

3747  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 22, 2017, 06:43:25 PM

No more effective means than vaccination at this time did not come up. I am sure that vaccination is needed. Before something to cancel you need to come up with an alternative.

What about an immune system?  It got us this far.  The relatively recent invention of drinking clean water and washing the shit off one's hands occasionally turned our native immune systems from being a satisfactory solution to one which serves with remarkable effectiveness.  Looking at the infection rate profiles of a lot of the 'vaccine preventable diseases' seem to indicate that vaccination may have had no effect whatsoever and lifestyle changes did it all.

If anything we need MORE disease to limit population growth.  Further, the right kinds of disease or impairment can produce significant advantages from a political and economic perspective, and designing other social control infrastructure around it can multiply the effect by orders of magnitude.  Looking at things through this lens makes a lot of observations fall neatly into place.

BTW, David Rockefeller, who's dynasty got it's start selling snake oil medical cures, died a few days ago.  Some posit that we will shift to a new dynasty with Bill Gates at it's head.  For my part I'll be watching with interest.

3748  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck your vaccines on: March 22, 2017, 04:54:41 PM

  "Only the small secrets need to be protected.
   The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity.
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        --- Marshall McLuhan


My two special friends that can see through all the world wide conspiracies of the modern dark age.
Connecting all that secret links of the big puzzle into one wonderful conspiracy which everyone can understand.
How can humanity just not realise that we have another einstein and hawking here?!

Lol

 Cheesy

Careful about santa on christmas - i read that he is actually a secret moon nazi. Grin

s/moon /Ashken/ perhaps?

Spurred in part by the pedogate stuff which likely involves a fair number of our politicians, I got to trying to sort out the various esoterica that a lot of peeps seem to be impacted by.  Talmudic law, Kabbalah, Thelema, Freemasonry, Catholicism, etc.

  Santa Klaus --> Satan Claws

I mean you have some creepy old weirdo who lives past the edge of nowhere doing God knows what with a bunch of stunted freaks.  He spends most of the year spying on kids and logging their activities (like the NSA) and on a specially prescribed day he sneaks out and breaks into their houses.  If offerings are left he might leave without doing any terrible harm.

The old creep spends a lot of time trying to get kids to sit on his lap.  He wears a red outfit which may have significance to those who like smear kids blood on themselves as the kid bleeds out.

On a more down-to-earth level, the whole Santa Klaus thing teaches a fairly important lesson to some.  Namely, 'authority figures lie like crazy.'  At least it did in my case.  I remember back to about age three, and I remember being pretty dubious about the whole thing even by that time.  I liked the candy canes though since my sweet-tooth was still active.

3749  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers on: March 22, 2017, 06:49:09 AM

Just another safe-space among many.

As an MGTOW and a social analyst, I say that you totally nailed it.

3750  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers on: March 22, 2017, 06:36:50 AM

I only got around to looking on urbandictionary the other day to find out what the term meant.  Totally fitting at this point in my life, and very possibly forever-more.  I tend to look like a bum when I go out and about in part for this reason, and discourage people who try to set me up.

I do sort of wonder if feminism was designed by the social engineers in part to deal with the overpopulation problem by making women and men even more incompatible than they are by nature.  In this case it would be a matter of putting such a big chip on women's shoulders that they are intolerable for a normal human to be around.

The converse on the male side would be (among other things) the widespread availability or pornography.  Speaking for myself, when I've been with a girlfriend for to long porn is often just as desirable as the real thing a lot of times.  When I have not, the real thing is better.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, so they say.  Anyway, since I know from experience that it is not terribly far from a wash on the sex side, and there are so many annoyances on the non-sex side, MGTOW is A-OK with me at the moment.

Anyway, score one for the eugenicist sustainability crowd.  If CIA funding for Gloria Steinem and the like have been effective at inducing us peeps to voluntarily reduce our propensity to form families and that has reduces fertility rates, I'll have to grant that it is at least more ethical than other methods.

3751  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If nuclear war broke out where's the safest place on Earth? on: March 19, 2017, 12:31:49 AM

I think that nuclear power plants poses no risk to the earth. Remember the accident at Chernobyl or recently in Fokusime? No particular problems for the world was not. Problems will be only in the event of nuclear war.

Nuclear power plants have several notable features.

 - They don't need to be loaded into an aircraft or the tip of a rocket.  In practice, this means that they can contain a much higher amount of nuclear material than a purpose built nuclear weapon.  And inevitably they do.

 - Many of the older Western designs (like the GE ones of Fukushima) are built with spent ponds on top of the building.  It takes years for the spent fuel material to cool down and it is simply more convenient to store them on the roof.  If cooling water is not available for these ponds they will catch fire and the material (usually many tons of it) will go up in smoke...and come down as fallout.  Or, if one is lucky, simply explode and contaminate the general area with shattered fuel rods which are at least easier to bulldoze into a pit.  Whether it was the fuel pools or the reactor core that scattered rods around Fukushmia Daichi is currently not been published, but it's clear that it was one of the two.

 - The GE plants and others need a continuous source of power or they will (not 'might') suffer total core meltdowns.

 - They are situated within one's own country so an 'evil-doer' does not need to go to all of the trouble of transporting them half way into space or through customs or whatever.

3752  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If nuclear war broke out where's the safest place on Earth? on: March 18, 2017, 05:23:47 AM

^^^^ There exists no evidence to prove that the people who inhabit the no-go zone around the Chernobyl reactor are unaffected by the radiation. Most of these people are elderly, and they may not seek medical treatment even if they suffer from any disease.

Of course they have been effected.  Nobody said otherwise.  They were just lucky and as of the time of the footage had not gotten terminal cancer or whatever.  It may well have been a good trade-off for them to just stay put and try to enjoy what is left of their lives come what may vs. taking the generous $15.00 or whatever the Soviet govt offered to try to make a new life somewhere else.

Another point of interest was Dr. Graves who was near Dr. Slotin when he tried 'tickling the dragon's tail' and fucked up.  The former got a big enough dose of neutron and gamma to be quite sick and have all of his hair fall out.  (The later died after 9 days.)  Graves recovered, went back to work, and eventually had a healthy child...unless his wife cheated on him I suppose.  If anyone is watching some of the old declassified nuclear test footage, he is in some of it.  He died of a heart attack at age 55.  Unclear whether the accident contributed since his father also died of the same condition.  Probably to a degree it did.

3753  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If nuclear war broke out where's the safest place on Earth? on: March 18, 2017, 12:55:23 AM

I don't think so. Not the fact that the fish will die. Look at the reaction of nature after the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power Plant. Catfish still live, animals live and reproduce, the grass and the trees have no problems.

If you look at the animals living in the contaminated zone around Chernobyl, then you will notice that almost all of them have been affected by radioactive poisoning. They are alive and reproducing, but their bodies contain radioactive pollution. Even eating catfish is dangerous, as the radioactive Cesium can deposit in the body of the consumer.

From what I've been able to observe (remotely via the net) the creatures who live in the no-go zones around Chernobyl, including the humans, seem remarkably unaffected.  This is not really a surprise.  The ones which were more effected would be less likely to be observed.

The upshot here is that radiological effects tend to be statistical.  The take-away is that one should assume that they may find themselves among the living (even if the quality/duration of life is likely to have been compromised) and at least consider the possibility.  I've got Cresson Kearny's seminal book kicking around for this reason...and not just in PDF format.

I don't have a photographic memory so I reduced Kearny's work down to a basic instruction:  get 4 or more feet of dirt over the top of my head and try to keep it that way as much as possible for two or three weeks.  When I lived in an urban area I used to make a mentally note of where there were culverts under the freeway and what-not.

3754  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Doctors agree with censored study that concludes unvaccinated children ... on: March 16, 2017, 11:21:15 AM

Now there is a lot of conflicting information about the harm and benefits of vaccinations. To begin with, you need to learn the scientific information about diseases, vaccinations yourself and then already make a decision and be responsible for the lives of your children.

Not when/where vaccinations are mandatory.  It would be pointless unless one can leave the country or figure out and navigate the buy-off which will likely be available to the elite.  Most people will just take the blue pill and cuddle up against the bosom of the civil authorities.  Things culminating in a leadership driven bloodbath which often target children seem to happen regularly with human civilizations, and especially when they have no worthy adversaries to go to war with (e.g., the Aztecs).

3755  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Doctors agree with censored study that concludes unvaccinated children ... on: March 15, 2017, 04:58:15 PM

Are you telling that countries accepting vaccines from America had lost their courage to fight. Its as if the vaccines has some kind of effect on the courage of the people. Thats a weird theory but nevertheless it could be possibly true. If you think of the countries that are loyal dogs to America, those are the countries where American made vaccines were distributed.

FBIAnon says that if all of the whistleblower information was released in one batch, the rest of the world would declare war on the U.S. immediately.  Thus, making use of the info it is a tricky operation even if run by protagonists who have decency and general good-will for humankind at heart.

Of course it is possible that the FBIAnon guy is a fraud or a troll, but it's also possible that he is not.  The deep state of the U.S. has had a fairly well documented, well funded, and intense interest in any possible technological means of manipulating human populations.  Also a boost via Operation Paperclip.

3756  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin fork with or without advance notice? on: March 13, 2017, 08:52:20 PM

The other possibility is that a fork happens at some point in the past (e.g., at block-height {nnn} where current is {nnn}+n.)  This is actually probably the most likely scenario, and is the scenario we've seen in hard-forks of the past.

Keep a hold on any old depleted wallets one might have kicking around just in case.  Even without a fork it could in some cases be handy to use the message signing ability of the secret keys.

3757  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 13, 2017, 08:45:47 PM

I certainly understand your point

And I in advance agree with the examples you are likely going to bring forward proving the cases where the forbidden fruit is the sweetest. But these cases are obviously not applicable to Bitcoin. How come? Because Bitcoin has no value of its own. Right now its value comes from its use as an excellent vehicle for speculation and profiteering. But if it gets universally banned there will be no longer such use, and its utility will return to where it had been when Bitcoin was primarily used as a means of payment in the DarkWeb. How high it will cost in dollars would remain to be seen, but in any case you can safely forget about the first two digits in its price tag as of today

'currency' is magical in that it shape-shifts into anything one wishes it to be.  At least within it's sphere of operation.  This is completely irrespective of any 'value in it's own right', and indeed, most successful currencies have this 'native usefulness' attribute only to a very limited degree if at all (e.g., gold.)

Put another way, Bitcoin (or any workable 'currency') has the magical ability to turn an illegal drug into and illegal gun which is a very valuable capability indeed.

As a user who can, has, and does use Bitcoin for 'speculation and profiteering', criminalization would suck.  For someone who is already a criminal the suckage is much less.  Even between these two classes there are areas of overlap.  The set of things I am interested in include, for instance, certain kinds of equipment.  Say, an airplane.  A drug-runner has a different set of interests but an airplane is in many cases one of these.  The upshot is that there will always be this overlap between the black market and the mainstream.  Bitcoin could easily help in this such transactions due to it's historic acceptance and usability.  If not Bitcoin than something else.

In any environment the value of the currency will be largely associated with 'velocity' an 'propensity to hodl' (Satoshi having simplified the currency base part of the equation in the design phase.)  The reality of black markets is such that we are probably at a tiny fraction of where Bitcion _could_ be in fiat denominated terms.  Bitcoin is eminently 'hodleable' and the value flows within black (or simply non-mainstream) markets are huge. 

3758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 13, 2017, 06:48:25 PM
if all the governments of all the world joint hands together to banned bitcoins ,then only would bitcoin can come to an end.otherwise it is not gonna happen no where soon. because of its decentralization and no technology could beat because it is the first of its kind

That wouldn't be an end but it will certainly hit hard

The prices would likely go down dramatically if they would mean anything at all since most if not all exchanges will be closed down or denied access to (by the Greater World Firewall). Internet seems to be the weakest link where governments will likely hit first. Indeed, there is DarkWeb and things like Tor, but how many users would be using them? In other words, we would quick get back to the 10k bitcoins for a pizza times. Obviously, this is a doom and gloom scenario, and the longer Bitcoin exists the lesser are the chances for it to come true, but we still shouldn't write it off completely

That seems to be demonstrably not true in many/most instances.  Normally criminalization of a desired thing increases it's value, and the more effective the enforcement, the higher the value goes.

You may argue that BTC would no longer be 'a desired thing' if Big Brother hassled users of it.  I don't believe this is true at all, though it absolutely would change the makeup of the userbase significantly.  Mostly it would shift it to the high-end criminal enterprise space, but this class is by no means small or weak.  Such shift would be a direct consequence of government policy and no fault of Bitcoin.

I had guessed that the idiot Chuck Schumer classes would get their way and try to criminalize Bitcoin prematurely.  As it happened slightly more shrewd strategists seem to have gotten the upper hand back in the day.  Their strategy was a much better one; attack Bitcoin internally, and the most likely avenue for this would be by damaging it's fungibility.  This would entail legislative means but probably can only be done with black/white listing.  For this x-listing, Bitcoin operation needs to be centralized to a smaller number of entities who can be pressured by the realities of needing corporate providers (space, power, bandwidth, etc.)  That I see as the primary driving force behind the various efforts to bloat Bitcoin.

3759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin to Satoshi, 2010 -- "SOMEBODY will try to mess up the network (...)" on: March 11, 2017, 07:31:36 PM

Mining will always take place where the power is cheaper. Block size isn't a factor, disk space is peanuts compared to the electricity used.

If you want more mining to take place outside of China, then find a way to lower the cost of electricity outside of China.

I would generally agree, but I do suspect that in some instances government policy can have at least a temporary impact.  e.g., under more totalitarian regimes it may not be very practical to manufacture hardware unless export procedures are followed.

To your point about energy availability, I find the hypothesis that sovereign nations are being aligned globally in anticipation of a so-called 'one-world technocracy' to be credible.  One of the main tools used to engineer this leveling would be accessibility to energy.  Of course such a thing as Bitcoin would probably not be considered significantly and almost certainly not predicted.  On a macro level the policies would be a spray pattern aimed at industry and infrastructure generally.  But (if the hypothesis has a basis in reality) it absolutely factors into many corner-case things such as Bitcoin and should be considered by those who have such a corner-case interest.  For this reason it is valuable for those with a stake in Bitcoin to keep tabs on global geo-political developments.  A good real-world example here would be the Trump administration's apparent willingness to end the blockade on the use of domestic coal.

3760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin to Satoshi, 2010 -- "SOMEBODY will try to mess up the network (...)" on: March 11, 2017, 05:40:44 PM

Oh geez, sorry I should have said "you believe we're either paid shills or stupid" right?

Yes.  That's better.

That's fine.  You're entitled to your opinion.  Meanwhile the rest of us are discussing the actual issues of the debate.

Highly dubious claim.  Most of these 'actual issues' were 'discussed' years ago and very few are new or original.  Seems to me that the ones which are perceived to have some traction among the newbie class are recycled ad-nauseum even though they've been put to bed multiple times.

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