MGTOW's among bitcointalkers

[poptok1]

Wikipedia Article vaguely explaining what MGTOW is.
Was just wondering, how many (/ˈmɪɡtaʊs/) are present here.
What is the bitcointalkers consciousness of MGTOW, what do you think about all this?
If you ask me, I was migtau without even knowing about it (if its possible)
I have always knew there is something wrong with this word, like a splinter in my mind driving me mad
Kinda surprising that there is no thread dedicated to mgtow (duh, now there is) and almost no mentions across the boards.
If you want to know more about this "movement", I can suggest you sandman's channel @ youtube.
He is explaining almost all aspects in nicely prepared videos but also touches many interesting subjects, like secret societies, religion, economics. He is also in to bitcoin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVXdxaaRiAU
in the description under this introduction video, you will find 25 links.
Watching first 10 is mandatory to grasp the concept(IMO).
Quite entertaining so if you have nothing better to do...

[Myfe]

You need to revise the poll, it's not working.

I had to look up what this is. Interesting stuff, i get where people are coming from. For me it's a: No.

I mean, no relationship at all? So no sex? No fun? You can engage in enough relationship to lead to the fun you need (doesn't have to be sex I suppose), but without the commitment that leaves you feeling prey to the inequality you believe exists between the sexes.

[coolcoinz]

I've been in a relationship for too long to have anything in common with this movement, but I can understand if some guys feel more independent by choosing not to get involved in a relationship.
I know a number of broken marriages and both sides often end up broken and deeply scarred for life. They have trouble forming another relationship because they are afraid of giving too much to another person.
A true relationship is based on trust and giving it all, believing that the other person will also give it all and never stab you in the back.

[gentlemand]

I think the thing that bugs me about the MGTOW thing is how vocal and misanthropic they are. It's far classier to just make a dignified exit and shut the fuck up about it. And cut the whining about male oppression too. Women aren't having a great deal of fun either.

It's been a couple of years since I've been involved with anyone. I don't really know if I'm ever going to bother again. When I look back I don't see that I gained the slightest thing from any of it, but can very easily point to the harm.

If I was gay then it wouldn't be any different and quite possibly considerably worse.

[poptok1]

You need to revise the poll, it's not working.
I had to look up what this is. Interesting stuff, i get where people are coming from. For me it's a: No.
I mean, no relationship at all? So no sex? No fun? You can engage in enough relationship to lead to the fun you need (doesn't have to be sex I suppose), but without the commitment that leaves you feeling prey to the inequality you believe exists between the sexes.

I think it is working just fine. We have 2 votes so far.
If it interest you, give a try to does videos. It's not a revelation, the guy just verbalises things you probably already know from your own observations. For me it was actually great help in relationship department.
Like a good manual for women, without self training nonsense and mind tricks mumbo-jumbo.
No, it doesn't mean no sex, no relationships, its more about knowledge on how women operate with lies and deception from early age, how they are incapable of love or deeper thoughts.
There is that moment that I can call awakening, maybe it is a symptom of age, maybe of knowledge but it is like taking red pill, you will never see females in the same way after that.
 

[gentlemand]

No, it doesn't mean no sex, no relationships, its more about knowledge on how women operate with lies and deception from early age, how they are incapable of love or deeper thoughts.

And plenty of women feel exactly the same about men. This isn't a gender thing, it's a human thing. Many humans are incapable of love or deeper thoughts, or more likely aren't actually interested in them and are more interested in their own gratification at the expense of others.

I've been treated shittily by women, and I've been treated just as disgustingly by supposed male friends. I'm equally uninterested in new friendships as I am in relationships because I'm rather sick of everybody regardless of whether I want put my winkle up them.

[Janation]

There are lot of bitcointalkers like these. Especially the young ones, earning bitcoin is their motivation and girls are not really their thing, they are not nerds but they are weird. Friends that I know using bitcoin, have girlfriends of their own. Saying these, this type of person is more likely the true lovers when they find the right girl, and I am envious with these kind of people because they prioritize their own selves than love, it is quite the opposite to me, and I think it is taking the toll on me.

[coolcoinz]

OP, I'd like to ask how has this helped you in any way? I get that you might feel insecure and vulnerable in a relationship and want to change it, but how building a wall around yourself can help in any way?
Being in defensive from the start is not the way to start a healthy relationship.

There are lot of bitcointalkers like these. Especially the young ones, earning bitcoin is their motivation and girls are not really their thing, they are not nerds but they are weird. Friends that I know using bitcoin, have girlfriends of their own. Saying these, this type of person is more likely the true lovers when they find the right girl, and I am envious with these kind of people because they prioritize their own selves than love, it is quite the opposite to me, and I think it is taking the toll on me.

Being an egoist is really nothing to envy. If your girl's needs are more important to you, you are good the way you are, you just need her to appreciate it. Don't try to change yourself to adapt to society!

[poptok1]

I've been treated shittily by women, and I've been treated just as disgustingly by supposed male friends. I'm equally uninterested in new friendships

Sorry to hear that m8.
So you are Man going his own way after all. This is exactly it. Luck of interest in people. There are many levels of MGTOW, many colour of pills. However in my opinion, it is a gender thing. Think about reasons of your mistreating by males and females. Most of man that hurt you, probably have had a women behind them, they where operating under some form of indirect(?) influence.
It is all very hard to me to put in correct English, as behavioural evolution, political ideology are full of hard concepts. This is why Im linking to those youtube vids.

OP, I'd like to ask how has this helped you in any way? I get that you might feel insecure and vulnerable in a relationship and want to change it, but how building a wall around yourself can help in any way?
Being in defensive from the start is not the way to start a healthy relationship.

There are lot of bitcointalkers like these. Especially the young ones, earning bitcoin is their motivation and girls are not really their thing, they are not nerds but they are weird. Friends that I know using bitcoin, have girlfriends of their own. Saying these, this type of person is more likely the true lovers when they find the right girl, and I am envious with these kind of people because they prioritize their own selves than love, it is quite the opposite to me, and I think it is taking the toll on me.

Being an egoist is really nothing to envy. If your girl's needs are more important to you, you are good the way you are, you just need her to appreciate it. Don't try to change yourself to adapt to society!

This is a very good question coolcoinz.
Just like I said, it was an awakening, I took the pill and all of a sudden I have started to see all the codes. (obvious matrix parabola is obvious) Let's say it made me in to a "badboy". I'm almost immune to females charms, therefore I dont loose cold blood, seeing through woman's deception makes me less of their slave and more desirable as a lover (sex with no strings attached, friends with benefits and so on) Its all very personal, that's how it works for me.

[gentlemand]

Most of man that hurt you, probably have had a women behind them, they where operating under some form of indirect(?) influence.

Absolutely not. They themselves were the arseholes. If they did couple up while I knew them, they were still arseholes before, I just didn't want to admit it to myself. Their womanfriends were always considerably more together who wised up before I did.

[qwik2learn]

I am a man who is helping men with this valuable link about seduction:
http://compellingpower.com/ultimateseduction/faq/

This group is short on theory and long on playing with what works.
We will not spoon-feed or handhold anyone because that's impossible to do without standing next to you. So, you must be willing to look at someone face-to-face and EXPRESS EMOTION and GET RAPPORT with others. You must be willing to GROW!
Life is not about "finding yourself". Life is about "inventing yourself". Remember that.

Use your personal power with responsibility.

[criptix]

I've been treated shittily by women, and I've been treated just as disgustingly by supposed male friends. I'm equally uninterested in new friendships

Sorry to hear that m8.
So you are Man going his own way after all. This is exactly it. Luck of interest in people. There are many levels of MGTOW, many colour of pills. However in my opinion, it is a gender thing. Think about reasons of your mistreating by males and females. Most of man that hurt you, probably have had a women behind them, they where operating under some form of indirect(?) influence.
It is all very hard to me to put in correct English, as behavioural evolution, political ideology are full of hard concepts. This is why Im linking to those youtube vids.

OP, I'd like to ask how has this helped you in any way? I get that you might feel insecure and vulnerable in a relationship and want to change it, but how building a wall around yourself can help in any way?
Being in defensive from the start is not the way to start a healthy relationship.

There are lot of bitcointalkers like these. Especially the young ones, earning bitcoin is their motivation and girls are not really their thing, they are not nerds but they are weird. Friends that I know using bitcoin, have girlfriends of their own. Saying these, this type of person is more likely the true lovers when they find the right girl, and I am envious with these kind of people because they prioritize their own selves than love, it is quite the opposite to me, and I think it is taking the toll on me.

Being an egoist is really nothing to envy. If your girl's needs are more important to you, you are good the way you are, you just need her to appreciate it. Don't try to change yourself to adapt to society!

This is a very good question coolcoinz.
Just like I said, it was an awakening, I took the pill and all of a sudden I have started to see all the codes. (obvious matrix parabola is obvious) Let's say it made me in to a "badboy". I'm almost immune to females charms, therefore I dont loose cold blood, seeing through woman's deception makes me less of their slave and more desirable as a lover (sex with no strings attached, friends with benefits and so on) Its all very personal, that's how it works for me.

you might want to sell your TV and stop watching hollywood movies 

@topic

gentlemand said everything which is important:

This isn't a gender thing, it's a human thing. Many humans are incapable of love or deeper thoughts, or more likely aren't actually interested in them and are more interested in their own gratification at the expense of others.

[tvbcof]

I only got around to looking on urbandictionary the other day to find out what the term meant.  Totally fitting at this point in my life, and very possibly forever-more.  I tend to look like a bum when I go out and about in part for this reason, and discourage people who try to set me up.

I do sort of wonder if feminism was designed by the social engineers in part to deal with the overpopulation problem by making women and men even more incompatible than they are by nature.  In this case it would be a matter of putting such a big chip on women's shoulders that they are intolerable for a normal human to be around.

The converse on the male side would be (among other things) the widespread availability or pornography.  Speaking for myself, when I've been with a girlfriend for to long porn is often just as desirable as the real thing a lot of times.  When I have not, the real thing is better.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, so they say.  Anyway, since I know from experience that it is not terribly far from a wash on the sex side, and there are so many annoyances on the non-sex side, MGTOW is A-OK with me at the moment.

Anyway, score one for the eugenicist sustainability crowd.  If CIA funding for Gloria Steinem and the like have been effective at inducing us peeps to voluntarily reduce our propensity to form families and that has reduces fertility rates, I'll have to grant that it is at least more ethical than other methods.

[Hatcher]

Just another safe-space among many.

[tvbcof]

Just another safe-space among many.

As an MGTOW and a social analyst, I say that you totally nailed it.

[poptok1]

Just another safe-space among many.

As an MGTOW and a social analyst, I say that you totally nailed it.

But is it a bad thing? I dont think so. Lets take games for example, few years back it was very hard to meet up with  a woman in any game genre. Now its quite a lot of them. Last week I was playing granturismo with 2 girls online, managed to bypass them pretty quickly, we were driving same, stock vehicle, soon after I have started to gain advantage, more or less 10seconds. All of a sudden one of them started to yell at me that I'm a cheater, a pirate with cracked console and that she will rapport me to polifony... You see? She couldn't cope with the idea of being weaker player, it wasn't her fault, it was mine I was the bad guy... And they both left the room, leaving insulting chat massages. This never happened with male players. 
I like the idea of safe spaces because they work until invaded...

I do sort of wonder if feminism was designed by the social engineers in part to deal with the overpopulation problem by making women and men even more incompatible than they are by nature.

Guess that its a subject for yet another NWO thread
But I have similar feeling, if "they" could "they" probably did.
However is earth really overpopulated?
Take all the humans in the world at make them stand in a square of 1m² each.
They will create a square with a side of ~85K people, 85K meters = 85km
85K x 85K = roughly 7.3 billion  means that all earths population can be placed in a average size county... 

[GreenBits]

I think the thing that bugs me about the MGTOW thing is how vocal and misanthropic they are. It's far classier to just make a dignified exit and shut the fuck up about it. And cut the whining about male oppression too. Women aren't having a great deal of fun either.

It's been a couple of years since I've been involved with anyone. I don't really know if I'm ever going to bother again. When I look back I don't see that I gained the slightest thing from any of it, but can very easily point to the harm.

If I was gay then it wouldn't be any different and quite possibly considerably worse.

Amen. If you are turning in your cocksmans license, simply remit it without fanfare. And yes, when I hear 'female biased world' when it's clearly not (really?) I tune out. This is no different then the extreme forms of feminism practiced by the crazy ladies.

It is human nature, to couple with your counterpart. If our fathers had felt this way, where would we be today?

[qwik2learn]

Let's face it: one reason marriage is on the rocks is that nobody teaches men how to spot a good woman, or what to do when they find one.

I am a man who is helping men with this valuable link about seduction:
http://compellingpower.com/ultimateseduction/faq/

This group is short on theory and long on playing with what works.
We will not spoon-feed or handhold anyone because that's impossible to do without standing next to you. So, you must be willing to look at someone face-to-face and EXPRESS EMOTION and GET RAPPORT with others. You must be willing to GROW!
Life is not about "finding yourself". Life is about "inventing yourself". Remember that.

Use your personal power with responsibility.

Of course, you have to know a few basic things about relationships:
 WHAT IS A QUALITY WOMAN?
 WHAT DOES RELATIONSHIP EQUALITY LOOK LIKE?

I saw discussion of Marc Rudov on the MGTOW forum, but these "independent" men did not really 'get' what was being taught:
https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-no-nonsense-man/



Remember that life is short—–happiness, loneliness, and dysfunction are choices.
The No Nonsense Man: https://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-no-nonsense-man/

[RJX]

So they're basically crybabies that are sore and they feel they deserve entitlement for that? Like all those other recently acknowledged breeds of people that now have their own bathrooms in public places?!

How many more bathrooms must man acknowledge?

[tvbcof]

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I do sort of wonder if feminism was designed by the social engineers in part to deal with the overpopulation problem by making women and men even more incompatible than they are by nature.

Guess that its a subject for yet another NWO thread
But I have similar feeling, if "they" could "they" probably did.
However is earth really overpopulated?
Take all the humans in the world at make them stand in a square of 1m² each.
They will create a square with a side of ~85K people, 85K meters = 85km
85K x 85K = roughly 7.3 billion  means that all earths population can be placed in a average size county...  

Inspired by other events to note this thread...

This really is an interesting question to me.  Currently I have some real questions about it, and some real critiques of those to whom 'overpopulation' creates a ding-salivate response.  And those who buy the former's propaganda.  And those 'scientist' of the former group who are simply to lazy to do the math and/or ethical analysis.  And those who live in pockets of overpopulation and have not traveled enough to look at the real world...or simply fired up Google Earth.

Thoughtful people who fall into one of the above categories would do well to ask themselves whether they are actually more close to a religion than they are to anything else.

I suspect that 'evil humans' actually did some significant modification to the earth and to Mother-Earth's inventory of species, but 'our destructiveness' apexed about 30,000 years ago when we started using fire to set ablaze anything flammable, and our impact has been declining ever since.  And especially in the modern age where the groups of humans who have the real power to wipe things out are remarkably conscientious about not doing so.

Simple mathematics demonstrate that 'we' will provoke a 'crisis' at some point, but are we really near that point yet?  The answer is, to me, a subject of considerable debate.  'We' change things wherever we operate, but other organisms and natural processes (meteors, solar shifts, etc) do as well, and there are both winners and losers in all such events.  When organisms learned how to harness the power of the sun and started putting oxygen into the atmosphere, it 'destroyed' the planet on a scale much more violently than humans could muster.  Oxygen is an extremely reactive element which lays waste to almost everything it touches including most of the species of a billion years ago and only a few of them adapted.

I believe that currently we are in a phase where a tiny tiny fraction of humans control economically most of the resources of the planet.  These people have a choice:
  - Expend the resources they control to provide a quality of life for the rest
 -  Reduce the number of the rest and thus extend the time before the resources they control are depleted.
Looks to me as though they prefer the latter and what we see are the impacts of a propaganda campaign (issued through resources that they also control.  Educational systems, media, etc, etc.)  This is, to me, a much better explanation of the overpopulation 'problems' we face than is the notion that we've run out of space.