If God exists then he is a BAD God a malevolent God, why would he decieve us like this? Why wouldnt he just show us that he exists plain and simple. Why would he let accidents happen or a baby dying when that baby hasnt done anything wrong? If heaven exists why doesnt he take us there already instead of making us suffer?
You certainly are welcome to your opinion about the goodness or badness of God, or how you think He is deceitful. Adam and Eve walked with God. Why don't we? Those of us who are not against Him walk with Him in spirit. There is corruption in everything, even when someone hasn't personally done anything wrong. Adam and Eve brought the corruption on us all when they ate the fruit. If we were in their shoes, would we have done much better than they? God is giving us time here to build our own glory somewhat, by bringing others to faith in Him. Those who make it to Heaven will wish that their time were longer here so that they could build their glory even more. Those who go to Hell will wish their time had been shorter here, so that they wouldn't have as many sins to pay for in HellFire.  |
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Hold on. You've give us the green light to manipulate the definition of words! You can't have your cake and eat it BADecker.
Either:
A) We all stick to the standard definition of words.
B) We are all allowed to change the definition of words
We can't have one rule for some and other rules for others.
So what's it going to be? A or B?
Wow! You make reasonable sense here. And you are asking me to be your leader by making this choice for all of you?  No. What I'm saying is if you choose to manipulate the definition of words such as 'scientists' and 'atheists' which you have endlessly here on the forum, you cannot protest when others do the same. Not meaning to change the definitions of words. Simply explaining some details about the people who claim that they are what those words express. EDIT: However, if it takes a redefining of the words to do it, why not? I mean, it's about time that people stop hiding behind a bunch of deceitfulness. Changing words about for your own gain is in itself deceitful. Wrong. Sometimes it is beneficial, to help people understand what they are saying about themselves, even if it is gainful to the one who is doing it. |
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If it isn't wrong for Muslims to take the lives of Infidels, then is it wrong for Islam to lie to Muslims by making them think that their religion is a peaceful one? |
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BADecker: Is the only proof the people need that bible is shit. Just read BADeckers posts.. no truth, no evidence, no proof, just shite spoutin from the most un-educated bible basher in history. Someone needs to tell him we're only entertaining him to see what more shite he'll spout about his jewish diety.. imagine.. a christian jew.. wow.. he's prob got a cross with a photo of himself stuck to jesus's face just to remind himself of his one fatal flaw.. he's a fuckin idiot, As his 'evidence' proves. Yeah BADecker, we know you are.. now hurry up and crucify yourself, saves us doing it for ya..
I know, I know. Now that we have figured out that God most certainly exists, you simply want to argue some about His attributes. The only thing we've figured out today is that you've secretly been an atheist all along. Nobody has complete faith in the existence of God. And one must have some faith just to live. The question is, do I have enough faith that God can use it to save me? I hope and trust that He will hold my faith strong enough that I will be saved. Why? Certainly I don't want the pain of damnation. But more importantly, I don't want to miss out on living in the New Heavens and the New Earth, with God, forever beholding the Greatness and Wonderfullness that He is. What's this got to do with my last statement? Your rambling. Do I have to literally spell it out for you? Atheism suggests there is no God. Nobody living has complete faith in the existence of God. Therefore everybody lives with at least a touch of atheism in him/her. Because of this, since I am living, there is a part of me that holds to atheism just like there is a part of you that holds to God. Secrecy has nothing to do with it... except that, though you seem to write the language very well, you don't seem to be able to understand much of what anyone says. Nothing wrong with that. Your field of expertise simply lies elsewhere. Hold on. You've give us the green light to manipulate the definition of words! You can't have your cake and eat it BADecker. Either: A) We all stick to the standard definition of words. B) We are all allowed to change the definition of words We can't have one rule for some and other rules for others. So what's it going to be? A or B? Wow! You make reasonable sense here. And you are asking me to be your leader by making this choice for all of you? No. What I'm saying is if you choose to manipulate the definition of words such as 'scientists' and 'atheists' which you have endlessly here on the forum, you cannot protest when others do the same. Not meaning to change the definitions of words. Simply explaining some details about the people who claim that they are what those words express. EDIT: However, if it takes a redefining of the words to do it, why not? I mean, it's about time that people stop hiding behind a bunch of deceitfulness. |
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BADecker: Is the only proof the people need that bible is shit. Just read BADeckers posts.. no truth, no evidence, no proof, just shite spoutin from the most un-educated bible basher in history. Someone needs to tell him we're only entertaining him to see what more shite he'll spout about his jewish diety.. imagine.. a christian jew.. wow.. he's prob got a cross with a photo of himself stuck to jesus's face just to remind himself of his one fatal flaw.. he's a fuckin idiot, As his 'evidence' proves. Yeah BADecker, we know you are.. now hurry up and crucify yourself, saves us doing it for ya..
I know, I know. Now that we have figured out that God most certainly exists, you simply want to argue some about His attributes. The only thing we've figured out today is that you've secretly been an atheist all along. Nobody has complete faith in the existence of God. And one must have some faith just to live. The question is, do I have enough faith that God can use it to save me? I hope and trust that He will hold my faith strong enough that I will be saved. Why? Certainly I don't want the pain of damnation. But more importantly, I don't want to miss out on living in the New Heavens and the New Earth, with God, forever beholding the Greatness and Wonderfullness that He is. What's this got to do with my last statement? Your rambling. Do I have to literally spell it out for you? Atheism suggests there is no God. Nobody living has complete faith in the existence of God. Therefore everybody lives with at least a touch of atheism in him/her. Because of this, since I am living, there is a part of me that holds to atheism just like there is a part of you that holds to God. Secrecy has nothing to do with it... except that, though you seem to write the language very well, you don't seem to be able to understand much of what anyone says. Nothing wrong with that. Your field of expertise simply lies elsewhere. Hold on. You've give us the green light to manipulate the definition of words! You can't have your cake and eat it BADecker. Either: A) We all stick to the standard definition of words. B) We are all allowed to change the definition of words We can't have one rule for some and other rules for others. So what's it going to be? A or B? Wow! You make reasonable sense here. And you are asking me to be your leader by making this choice for all of you? |
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Look here is the problem with your arguments. Disproving the existence of God and pretty much anything is impossible now your arguments are also pretty much impossible to disprove and i quote: "God is timeless" How are gonna disprove that? Pretty much all your "arguments" are like that and if we cant disprove your arguments or the existance of God its pointless
Luckily the people with closed minds never achieve anything in life and just remain the average unimportant Joe. People have become so stupid and ignorant, that leading discussions is becoming a waste of time. If they can't accept being wrong, there is no argument that will make them 'wrong' in their own eyes. I know exactly what you mean. I am continually putting up with a whole lot of these people right here in this thread. |
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Look here is the problem with your arguments. Disproving the existence of God and pretty much anything is impossible now your arguments are also pretty much impossible to disprove and i quote: "God is timeless" How are gonna disprove that? Pretty much all your "arguments" are like that and if we cant disprove your arguments or the existance of God its pointless
The proofs for God are here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. That He is timeless cannot be proven. |
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Come on, folks. Just a little more arguing and we will be to 200 pages.  |
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When you finally determine that going within is simply a method to prove that God does not exist, or else that He exists in yourself, then you have the chance to see if such thinking matches the things of the universe and nature around you. Obviously, God exists as I have shown at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. All that is left is to see if you are He (She/It). Miracle time. Both statements are wrong. You haven't answered to anything, rather avoided it completely. Go within was a hint that one should meditate. Thank you. You are such a sweetheart.  |
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BADecker: Is the only proof the people need that bible is shit. Just read BADeckers posts.. no truth, no evidence, no proof, just shite spoutin from the most un-educated bible basher in history. Someone needs to tell him we're only entertaining him to see what more shite he'll spout about his jewish diety.. imagine.. a christian jew.. wow.. he's prob got a cross with a photo of himself stuck to jesus's face just to remind himself of his one fatal flaw.. he's a fuckin idiot, As his 'evidence' proves. Yeah BADecker, we know you are.. now hurry up and crucify yourself, saves us doing it for ya..
I know, I know. Now that we have figured out that God most certainly exists, you simply want to argue some about His attributes. The only thing we've figured out today is that you've secretly been an atheist all along. Nobody has complete faith in the existence of God. And one must have some faith just to live. The question is, do I have enough faith that God can use it to save me? I hope and trust that He will hold my faith strong enough that I will be saved. Why? Certainly I don't want the pain of damnation. But more importantly, I don't want to miss out on living in the New Heavens and the New Earth, with God, forever beholding the Greatness and Wonderfullness that He is. What's this got to do with my last statement? Your rambling. Do I have to literally spell it out for you? Atheism suggests there is no God. Nobody living has complete faith in the existence of God. Therefore everybody lives with at least a touch of atheism in him/her. Because of this, since I am living, there is a part of me that holds to atheism just like there is a part of you that holds to God. Secrecy has nothing to do with it... except that, though you seem to write the language very well, you don't seem to be able to understand much of what anyone says. Nothing wrong with that. Your field of expertise simply lies elsewhere. |
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what created god? Can't have something come from nothing, apparently.
God always existed. This universe, and the dimensions that are part of it, these are the things that have a beginning. Any proof to sustain that statment? Not the first statement. Cause and effect, combined with the complexity of the universe, along with the entropy therein, prove the second. Remember, we all believe. We believe in many things because we don't have any proof for them. We even believe and hope that the next second of our lives will be at least as good, if not better than, the last, because we don't know for a fact what will happen even a second into the future. Consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One instant the people were living their lives. The next instant they were gone. They had no clue. |
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BADecker: Is the only proof the people need that bible is shit. Just read BADeckers posts.. no truth, no evidence, no proof, just shite spoutin from the most un-educated bible basher in history. Someone needs to tell him we're only entertaining him to see what more shite he'll spout about his jewish diety.. imagine.. a christian jew.. wow.. he's prob got a cross with a photo of himself stuck to jesus's face just to remind himself of his one fatal flaw.. he's a fuckin idiot, As his 'evidence' proves. Yeah BADecker, we know you are.. now hurry up and crucify yourself, saves us doing it for ya..
I know, I know. Now that we have figured out that God most certainly exists, you simply want to argue some about His attributes. The only thing we've figured out today is that you've secretly been an atheist all along. Nobody has complete faith in the existence of God. And one must have some faith just to live. The question is, do I have enough faith that God can use it to save me? I hope and trust that He will hold my faith strong enough that I will be saved. Why? Certainly I don't want the pain of damnation. But more importantly, I don't want to miss out on living in the New Heavens and the New Earth, with God, forever beholding the Greatness and Wonderfullness that He is. |
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@BADecker How do you feel about the ancient gods? I'll pick one at random, let's say Thor? Do you believe in Thor?
What do you mean by the question "Do you believe in Thor?" I believe that the real Thor was a capable person who people idolized. After he died, the story about him changed somewhat, over time. Does anybody know about the real Thor? I haven't even been interested in him enough to look him up for scientific or archaeological details about who he really was. But that isn't really what this thread is about, is it? Actually it is. Why dont you believe in THOR? There are quadrilions of evidence of his existance? Can you prove that god thor does not exist? Why do you think I don't believe in Thor? Didn't you read my post that you quoted? But can you prove he does not exist? I don't even know who he is. I probably can't prove that he doesn't exist. But more importantly, why do you ask questions about Thor? Because he is a god and because you ask for proof against god. Im trying to make you understand how hard is to disprove something, pretty much imposible Thank you. That is almost exactly the "small" idea of my post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. Not only do we have no way of proving God does not exist, but we have a universe full of reasons why He does exist, as pointed out at my post. |
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@BADecker How do you feel about the ancient gods? I'll pick one at random, let's say Thor? Do you believe in Thor?
What do you mean by the question "Do you believe in Thor?" I believe that the real Thor was a capable person who people idolized. After he died, the story about him changed somewhat, over time. Does anybody know about the real Thor? I haven't even been interested in him enough to look him up for scientific or archaeological details about who he really was. But that isn't really what this thread is about, is it? Well this thread is about god, and Thor was a god. The thread didn't specify which god. Why are you rejecting this god yet believe yours is the true one? Surely your being Atheist towards the god Thor? Logical right Since you are saying that I am doing something that you really don't know that I am doing, and that it appears that I am not doing by my post which you quoted, there is no real way to respond to your questions. Logical, right? That makes no sense. You would say that. |
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what created god? Can't have something come from nothing, apparently.
The question "what created God?" is a nonsense question. We can't even ask "what came before time?" and get a sensible answer. That being said, true, something can't come from nothing, but the null set is not nothing, despite it containing nothing. The "null set is not nothing, despite it containing nothing", can that be compared to an empty, airless Box? It contains nothing but is still "something". I dont know what you want to say, but the box always contains something even if it is airless. I was trying to make a comparison between what he said which I assumed was talking about before the "big bang"(which is losing support compared to the "timeless" universe theory), where there was supposedly "nothing". Maybe thered be particles floating around, but I don't mean a literal box. And I don't believe in the idea that there can't ever be nothing, it's nonsensical. Even new theories regarding the "origins" of the universe display that the universe itself may have always been "something". There wasn't any Big Bang, and the universe isn't timeless. God is timeless, and He created the universe to have a time beginning. |
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what created god? Can't have something come from nothing, apparently.
The question "what created God?" is a nonsense question. We can't even ask "what came before time?" and get a sensible answer. That being said, true, something can't come from nothing, but the null set is not nothing, despite it containing nothing. The "null set is not nothing, despite it containing nothing", can that be compared to an empty, airless Box? It contains nothing but is still "something". I dont know what you want to say, but the box always contains something even if it is airless. Except if the box happens to be a single point. |
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Let me just put this here: Do not be fearful of challenging your own beliefs, it can lead to great enlightenment. Think for a moment, if you were born in a different region of the world and your guardians taught you different beliefs than you have now, would you still hold the same beliefs you do today? Most likely not, so wouldn't that mean your beliefs are largely based on your region and upbringing? Sometimes in the 'school of life' it is not only important to continue learning, but to unlearn that which does not agree with you anymore. Go within. I've met a few interesting open-minded ones in my time, and had some interesting conversations. And I'm sure we both walked away better off from it.
Such people stand out and I believe are much more intelligent than the other group, even though in practice it might not be shown. Open-minded people would gladly accept what I've just quoted and this would lead to a great discussion. The piece that was quoted pretty much shows us that religion isn't anything special. Any "god" who will punish you for thinking for yourself, is not really a "god". I'd also just say that meditation is much better (actually has benefits) than praying. When you finally determine that going within is simply a method to prove that God does not exist, or else that He exists in yourself, then you have the chance to see if such thinking matches the things of the universe and nature around you. Obviously, God exists as I have shown at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. All that is left is to see if you are He (She/It). Miracle time. |
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BADecker: Is the only proof the people need that bible is shit. Just read BADeckers posts.. no truth, no evidence, no proof, just shite spoutin from the most un-educated bible basher in history. Someone needs to tell him we're only entertaining him to see what more shite he'll spout about his jewish diety.. imagine.. a christian jew.. wow.. he's prob got a cross with a photo of himself stuck to jesus's face just to remind himself of his one fatal flaw.. he's a fuckin idiot, As his 'evidence' proves. Yeah BADecker, we know you are.. now hurry up and crucify yourself, saves us doing it for ya..
I know, I know. Now that we have figured out that God most certainly exists, you simply want to argue some about His attributes. |
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what created god? Can't have something come from nothing, apparently.
God always existed. This universe, and the dimensions that are part of it, these are the things that have a beginning. |
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