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This won't help at all to quantify a constructive post. People will then just cheat the system and add waffle or obfuscated junk to their posts and this already happened with signature campaigns that requested posts be over x amount of characters. Users just added invisible characters to the end of their post in order to game the bot that checked. If you want merit then keep making quality posts and you should be rewarded with such over time but just making your posts a certain length isn't going to cut it.
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Did you post the address anywhere else as spreadsheets can be edited? You'll need to PM both theymos and cyrus with the info as well if you haven't already.
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Looks like people are forgetting that there is an appeal system. If you feel that your posts have an unfair lack of merit points, all you have to do it make a post here and someone will probably merit them if they are meritorious.
I still think this is pretty desperate behaviour. If this becomes standard practice then Meta is just going to become chock full of people just creating threads asking for merit which isn't really much different than just asking for it in the thread or post itself. Imagine if people did this for feedback: Hey, I did these handful of trades and nobody left me positive trust... Can someone leave me trust? Merit should be a natural process. If you create a thread or post and it goes unnoticed then oh well. Better luck next time, but complaining every time this happens just seems wrong. |
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But what makes my temper flare, is how some members are using merits related posts to farm merit. They create an attractive thread name, write a FEW lines about how people shdn't complain abt the merits system
You mean like this one?  The merit system makes it exceptionally difficult to rank up.
Good. And so it should. Now only exceptional posters will rank up and the forum will be dratstically better off for it. Well, first of all, this is a bad way to end your posts: [Share some merit if u found this useful, thanks! Hard for noobs to level up these days:)]
[P.s. Newcomer trying to lvl up here. Merits welcomed if you found this post helpful. ] I myself have a firm general policy of never awarding merit to a post which asks for it. That’s in poor taste, at best. It doesn’t matter whether whether the post has substance, or is just begging. Agreed. I don't think I would leave merit on a post/thread if somebody asks for it regardless of how great the post was. This sort of practice should be frowned upon by the community or better off actually prohibited. At worst it's begging and at best it's completely redundant. |
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I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.
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Now consider there is a newbie who affords lot of time in creating some nice content in order to rank up, not merited at all. What do you think the motivation of this guy is going? Do you think he is gonna try this again? You shouldn't be creating content soley just to rank up. You should be making content to contribute something constructive. If you create a thread and it receives no merits so what? If you keep making quality content then you will get the merit eventually but if you're just seeking merit then you're doing it for the wrong reasons and if this causes you to lose motivation then good riddance. So why don't we think about an demerit system?
Why don't we demerit for spam, off topic, insults or scam attempts and increase thereby the quality of this forum?
If their would be somehow a punishment for bad quality post this would really motivate people to increase their forum behavior.
I would be against everyone being able to demerit as it would be abused by nefarious individuals just demeriting people for saying something they don't like. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for staff to be able to do so instead of just removing threads or temp banning certain individuals for instance when people create a thread like what are you doing for valentines day in Politics & Society. I certainly think if they received minus merit for these sorts of threads they'd get the message pretty fast. |
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I think we're drifting from the topic.
We are talking about Vietnamese thread, and you're personally attacking me. As if, I'm the one involved in this.
It's on topic because it's further proof that the abuse by Vietnamese users is endemic. They systematically abused their thread en mass with alts and it even happened in here and furthermore your thread is chock full of abuse by them. If they're given a board then the same thing will happen there only it will be difficult to spot since no mods speak Vietnamese. |
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You keep saying supporters but you you mean shills. I've already explained why the Vietnamese thread was locked. And my problem is with spammers and scammers using multiple accounts to break the rules and either shill their ICOs or spam for them.
Easy for you just to label everybody at your whims and fancies. That what 90% of the people in the world are. Too much hate in them. No, I label them when there's evidence: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806719 Erina Sama February 06, 2018 nurhayatinordin.work@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806778 Alice Miromochan February 06, 2018, yayaxnh@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806723 mikebrown2222 February 06, 2018 johanrzk+1@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806855 jesiccahewittatn2 February 06, 2018 johanrzk+3@same email provider
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806907 sonaonemikael202011 February 06, 2018 johanrzk+4@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806680 Yukihira Soma February 06, 2018 adhafaiq.work+1@same email provider
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1806744 Andreas Hajpun February 06, 2018, adhafaiq.work+2@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1808673 Danial shah February 07, 2018 imanghazali1994+2@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1807519 alias army February 07, 2018, shafiqshahiran1997@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1807686 khalidwaled February 07, 2018, khalifa.jazz01@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1808724 MrDab01234 February 07, 2018 Khalifa.jazz01+2@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1807813 Izzathzm February 07, 2018 BaloIzzat@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1807793 Chaerin Lee February 07, 2018 yayaxnhn.1@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1808220 Kathryn_nadine February 07, 2018 Kathryn.nadine04@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1811371 Zachriah01 February 08, 2018 Kathryn.nadine01@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1749504 sandarajasmine January 24, 2018 yayaxnhn@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1749365 johanrzk January 24, 2018, johanrzk@same email providerhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1759522 mhdazrull January 26, 2018 muhammad.azrul07@same email provider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1808050 Tonybrooks February 07, 2018, Badboyz_azrul@different email provider (but likely belongs to the mhdazrull account). All those are shilling entirely in your threads. Same sign up dates, many with similar/same email addresses. There's obviously many more I missed as well seeing as there's no johanrzk+2, imanghazali1994+1 and Kathryn.nadine02 and 03... yet. So nice little shill army you have there. |
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Not everybody is going to get merits for every 'good' or 'great' post because not everybody will think it so, or they might just not see it. I have plenty of posts that I consider meritable or merit-worthy but they received none. That's just how it goes. Keep posting and you will gradually get merit for other posts but I don't think people should be bringing them up every time just because nobody gave them merit.
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You keep saying supporters but you you mean shills. I've already explained why the Vietnamese thread was locked. And my problem is with spammers and scammers using multiple accounts to break the rules and either shill their ICOs or spam for them.
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Yeah, I've heard the they're our "office" accounts excuse before. Also they're my friend/wife/brother/cousin's accounts. This is what people usually say when they get caught with alts just like you have. |
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I have a question: on this kind of topic, when a user uses the "Report to moderator" feature, does the OP receive an email or the email is still send to the usual section moderator?
No, the op receives nothing. It's all anonymous apart from staff who have access to the report queue and they may receive an email about the report. |
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You are yet another shill for MEXC token. In fact, the majority of people posting in their thread seem to be alts just asking the same questions to bump up the thread. Further proof why having a Vietnamese board would be a complete shitshow.
Good that you noticed our MEXC token thread. As the owner of the thread, I can't stop people from posting. But I can stop them from calling names like what you did. My advice is just to get out of your head, and look around. It doesn't take a breath of hair on your side to know that the Asean region, especially Vietnam, are moving better GDP year by year. Does it hurt to support other fellow human being? What are you talking about? Calling names? How can you stop that? And I only noticed it because of the amount of spam and shilling that is going on in this and that thread. They are shills that you are either very likely in control of or are paying people to post there. And no, we shouldn't support users that are only here to spam and shill for their own financial greed. |
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yeah. i also agree the fact that they should open Local Board for Vietnamese. in fact, Vietnamese is at top among Asian countries based on the traffic.
Vietnam will be the next big country for Crypto. you have my support!
You are yet another shill for MEXC token. In fact, the majority of people posting in their thread seem to be alts just asking the same questions to bump up the thread. Further proof why having a Vietnamese board would be a complete shitshow. |
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I am very sorry about that, because of don't have admin reply my post so we need put up the post.
We need local board, not thread. Pls for me the time (challenge time), i will help BCT clear all spam, unuseful post.
Vietnam will be the best country in crypto industry.
If you can't even be trusted to have a thread why the hell would we give you an entire board to abuse? That would just be exploited even greater. How many reports have you made? People shouldn't be given moderator status just by asking for it and I certainly don't think we should be giving it to random Junior Members who haven't earned it. |
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You had your own local thread but it was locked due to constant abuse. 99% of the posts in there were from farmers either copy and pasting irrelevant content or shitposters just spamming post after post and not a single Vietnamese user ever reported it. In fact, most we're happy to participate in it once they realised they could get away with it. It's still even happening in this thread such as these two below who are the same person posting one after the other: yeah I agree, need a local board for Vietnamese because traffic from the famous website are from Vietnamese
The traffic is massive, that why i also agree with this. I am totally agree because even indonesia is in the local board. Vietnam will potentially be a big country for cryptocurrency. I support this 100% that vietnam must have their own local board. And this one likely also belongs: yeah I agree, need a local board for Vietnamese because traffic from the famous website are from Vietnamese
Who all seem to be shills for MEXC token. So that's why you shouldn't have your own section because it will just be abused by shitposters and account farmers and there's currently no one trustable to moderate it. |
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Copy and pasting is one of the reasons for a permaban, but people are banned for breaking one of the rules which you can find them all listed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0People are rarely banned though unless you copy and paste or a serious troll. |
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I asked for clarification. Personally I think it shouldn't be tolerated as it's quite clear he's just here to troll by spreading fud. Why is he even here? Is he doing this out of some altruistic motive? Nah. He's just trolling for the fun of it whilst he probably continues to buy bitcoin himself. Pretty sure it's just another account of long-time fudster and serial ban evader NLC anyway.
Do people honestly evade bans just to spread FUD? Do they have nothing better to do with their time? Yes. Some trolls are very determined and that's how they get their kicks so it's not a waste of time for them. NLC has has had hundreds of bot accounts and dozens upon dozens of 'active' troll accounts banned. He's also the reason why newbies can't post images because he was spamming the forum with gay porn jpgs. I really can't tell whether he's made a lot of money from bitcoin or lost a lot (or possibly both), but either way he's just a troll. |
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I would support this being restricted to higher level accounts as I agree it is massively abused by scammers. With that being said, users doing so are usually big red flags and immediately set off alarm bells.
They are big flags to everyone EXCEPT the vast majority who buy from them  which are 90% newbies who find the scammers via Google search who have no idea on how to read TRUST or more importantly "UNTRUSTED" TRUST which remains hidden. True, but most of them get tagged by people who see this behaviour, though I know from experience even this doesn't always stop idiots from sending them their money. I think locking self-moderation behind copper membership for those below member is a reasonable solution
I had to go surf through about 10-pages of information about the copper membership to figure out if this would be a fair proposal. I've concluded that I have no problem with this, but I would've if the Copper Membership was cheap. It seems like the copper membership was about $40, which is a fair price to pay for something that gives you so many privileges. For example, if it was only $10 for copper membership it would seem too susceptible to abuse. I wouldn't be against it being a perk of paid copper membership but I'd rather it just be earned over time with rank than just bought, because I think most newbies who come here wont want or need to self-mod anyway so some scammers will inevitably likely pay the fee to enable it (though most won't bother). |
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Well yeah that should be sufficient proof but you'll have to contact theymos or cyrus to see if they can accept it as they're the only people who can help you in this situation. You're best trying cyrus over theymos but to be honest but I wouldn't hold your breath.
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