What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back? Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to produce high-quality posts and then all of the sudden lose all that progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't have to have the risk of being banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers  |
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You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.
I find that offensive!
Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense? |
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You should at least use the trust system to contain scams. At the very least it should prevent people from being scammed by other users.
And you can't really have merit = reputation. High-quality posts don't always correlate with a user being trustworthy. Perhaps a large portion of the time, yes. But then how would you tailor to successful transactions between individuals? It doesn't seem right to send them merit as that was the argument with trust: bad post quality ≠ scams.
Why can't it exactly go hand-in-hand?
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I also think the merit requirements should be lower. Even if some members have HQ threads and post I don't think all of them are gonna get the merit they deserve nor they will become sources.
With this new system you are putting the Legendary members on top of all and with these high requirements in my opinion its gonna be much harder for new members to progress.
IMO the new merit system is "anti new membres". Ranking up will be dare I say impossible for them, not everybody is blockchain or tech expert, especially new members. Not to mention that the current top-merited topics and replies are NOT even connected to bitcoin or the blockchain technology. Most of them are some shitposts in the local boards or in no way affiliated with Bitcoin/altcoins. It is also way too complicated for them.
Don't get me wrong, I am not pro-spammer but in my opinion the Merit system is not the way to fight them as it limits hard the new and lower rank members. Some people will never ever rank up - maybe they have HQ posts and are helping people by answering questions in ann threads for projects they follow or just don't have enough knowledge to make informative guides and etc. but nobody will notice them.
The idea of the merit system is against the idea of Bitcoin. Nah. The whole point is to make it difficult to rank up. Why is it so important to get a high rank for everybody?
Answer: they want to join signature campaigns.
Is that really what the forum was designed for? Absolutely not. It should be difficult to rank up. It should require consistent high-quality posts to qualify for a higher rank. That's what will clean up the forum. I do not want to see a constant stream of 50+ page threads in Bitcoin Discussion. We do not need to see five "bitcoin is $x" in the board, or "tips to trading".
Merit requirements should not be lowered.
I'm sure that there will be some argument about me being biased as I am Legendary/in a signature campaign but there are other non-Legendary members that agree with the merit standards. Don't try to bring any ad hominem into this. |
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How about this? wnj4 sending 50 merit to jooj for this post: There isn't any updates regarding BATTLE OF TITANS project and ICO for long time. as I one of participants on this ico I wondering what will team going to do?
They are currently updating the game app but still on iOS platform only. You'll see them posting on their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/battletitans/There's still hope for people who've joined their Pre ICO and ICO. I'm expecting to use my 162 BTT someday You mean that the BATTLE OF TITANS ico had finished, so how much they collect due crowd-sale sum,exchanges etc.. what's the BATTLE OF TITANS team next step? (archive: http://archive.is/XPeui#selection-3443.0-3443.156) and wnj4 receives 50 merit from jooj for this post: Sure it's a great move, but BSD needs other methods to getting more people know about BSD coin/project.
(archive: http://archive.is/d4BNp#selection-7709.0-7709.103)
Now there is hoop also sending 50 merit to wnj4 for this helpful(  ) post: Looks Pumapay project is very promising, but we need more clarification regarding Pumapay project development progress.
(archive: http://archive.is/T5Njv#selection-1919.0-1919.119) hoop also sends 50 merit to jooj for this post: No matter who are buying or selling the Sugar token, the most important is that the Sugar development progress, is there any update regarding this matter?
(archive: http://archive.is/VSogx#selection-4074.31-4247.154) |
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Why did you merit my post? Are you trying to bribe me?  Oh well. Time to send those 25 extra sMerits I gained to some useful posts.
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Send an address, buddy. That pizza's gonna be delivered before you can even say 'pepperoni'
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For some reason all these accounts aren't tagged anymore. Why did you change your mind?
That's partially why I sped up work on merit. I don't agree with using the trust system for pure spam; that's not what it was designed for. Unfortunate. The only way I can punish spammers on a mass scale now is by contributing to signature campaign blacklists, which I have done—I pasted a list to aTriz's thread containing all the spam negatives I sent out.
Merit farmers can still be tagged though. |
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What do I need merit for? Absolutely nothing. You're making strawman claims again and again. I suppose every single negative trust I send is so that I can personally gain from it, right? Every scammer that I tag is because I actually want to scam instead and I need to get rid of the competition, huh? |
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So Why not clearly states in the Rules : Accounts sales is forbidden. THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN RULES Because it's not bannable. Just like how scams aren't bannable. But do you think that scams don't deserve red trust?
Account selling is just not justifiable. For what reason do you need to purchase an account? If it's for signature campaigns or to scam, then that's untrustworthy. You are buying the account to abuse campaigns or you are buying the account to defraud others. Moreover, it's a form of buying trust. If the account was a Newbie then there wouldn't be any reputation attached to it. But if it's a higher-ranked account, then the reputation associated with it is being transferred over. Even though there is no difference in the type of person who owns a Legendary account vs. someone who owns a Full Member account we still have a subconscious bias towards the higher rank. |
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What if the merit system will be use in other purpose? Example: someone really hates me a lot then make tweetbit1 account and merit my post just to use as an evidence against me for having an alt account or account farming or do multiple account for this ultimate purpose. This can also ruin one innocent account. Leave an opinion what you think about it. #throlling It's an A-->B linkage, not an A<-->B linkage. Therefore, anything negative should apply to the person that is giving the merit away. After checking and ensuring (with a high probability) that the other is indeed an alt of the sender, then you tag them and connect the accounts with an A<-->B linkage. |
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Not sure about the "double click" bug, but someone reported a similar outcome through refreshing the page ( MERIT BUG). Both bugs are because of the same principle. You're sending the same request twice. Clicking once = 1 request. Refreshing/clicking again = 2 requests. It's similar to that of giving out trust (try clicking it twice) or double-clicking a report submit button. |
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I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed. At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters. I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.
Moved them to aTriz's thread. I'll sort out the details later but for now it's not great for copying (it's scraped from the trust list and hasn't been cleaned up yet—I'll make it username-only later) |
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Mpamaegbu 255 spammers in that code. |
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I'm also running for Full Member, not for the money per se, but for airdrops and others alike  |
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Yikes... is it just me or does the merit system seem like it might worsen the account-farming problem even further.
I don't see myself randomly meriting posts, even if they are helpful. So account farmers would have a much easier time gaining merit on their accounts than regular users... False. Account farming is more difficult. You would have to trickle down merit from your larger accounts (and for that matter you need quite a significant amount to rank up). And because it is public, the abuse can be tracked down and the accounts will be negged. |
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I found this quote slightly disturbing - it would tend to imply that others who are not merit sources are allowed to sell their merits. That rather kills the whole concept. That's logically unsound. P = if you are a merit source you are not allowed to sell your merits. ¬P ≠ if you are not a merit source you are allowed to sell your merits. Just because merit sources are not allowed to sell their merits does not mean that non-sources are. |
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Tagged a couple users. Either for merit farming or for shitposting. They're usually interconnected anyway |
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You're essentially complaining that you have to make high-quality posts in order to participate in signature campaigns.
If you want to talk about unfair, think about the Hero Members that have created high-quality posts in the past yet are now bummed out of Legendary status because they're 500 merits away.
If you want to point out the Legendary members with shitty posts then I would recommend you to do so. Otherwise, sufficient action cannot be taken against them.
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