How you define "should have been done" is arbitrary. Obviously Avalon has done it the right way for them: a design with many small 110nm chips was simpler and allowed them to ship before BFL who is struggling with fewer more complex 65nm chips.
by ship, you meant you received one? If not, STFU already. Avalon has working chips, BFL doesn't. Plain and simple. |
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24 hrs ?  nothing to be proud of imo. That device has already paid for itself. Now he's making over $200 profit every single day. I'd be quite happy with that situation. |
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I feel that its the least I can do - I participated in building this up - the right thing to do is see to it that tearing it down is done correctly.
How about you talk with Tom and find out why the BTC refunds haven't been processed? |
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No refund for me either. Early BTC order. No reply from Dave.
I'm off the project at this point, so I'm not answering emails related to bASIC (or eHasher). You can try logging into the btcfpga site and see if your order status is "Refund Requested". For a BTC order this means you are on the list. You were part of the project when the refunds were first requested, and you definitely have communication with Tom at this point. Find out the status of the BTC refunds. |
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First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.
we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.
That's great you shipped to 2 high-profile users. When are the rest of the Batch #1 customers going to receive their units? |
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People have been requesting BTC refunds for weeks, and none have received it.
The stated plan is CC then BTC. Money has been actively flowing. The revised plan is CC first, then if the funds last, some of the BTC orders may be refunded. BTC refunds were requested long before the "cc first" plan was ever devised, yet they weren't processed. Why? |
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0 BTC to report here as well. It may be time to go forward with the scammer accusation.
Within a couple days of a successful CC refund? No, that is not reasonable. 0 BTC refunded here, BTW. People have been requesting BTC refunds for weeks, and none have received it. |
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I don't see this batch selling well.
* It's no longer price-competitive. Batch #2 should cost less to produce.
* Customer service has been horrible for Batch #1.
* Too long until scheduled shipping.
* No refunds.
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SHA-256 is used to encrypt data
How does that work? Show me how to decrypt a SHA256 hash back to its original contents. |
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Wow.. the self denial is incredible. Yes, enjoy your 4U, 400w hashing monster, lol. Size a fucking refrigerator for 66 GH/s.
Profit per day at 66 GH/s @ 400w = $190 Profit per day at 60 GH/s @ 100w = $174 Hashing monster > vaporware product. |
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https://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2333China
China is one of the countries with the strongest restrictions on cryptography; a license is required for export, import, or domestic use of any cryptography product. There are several restrictions on export regulations, and China is not participating in the Wassenaar Arrangement.
So? Mining doesn't do any cryptography. |
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I believe they'll be returned and we'll just have to eat the opportunity cost/exchange rate losses. I think Tom just got in way over his head and didn't know what to do. There's already been a wave of BTC refunds & lots of CC refunds. If as Dave says the bulk of the orders were in CC then the BTC balance outstanding probably isn't all that huge. Surely Tom's reputation is worth more to him than the remaining BTCs owed those that trusted him. If he meant to just rabbit with all the BTCs then why the wave of BTC refunds?
I'm still a bit pissed at Tom for stringing me along, but if he returns what's mine, and I believe he will, I'll get over it.
And what happens when the funds run out? Do CC refunds first and the BTC refunds never get done. Refund the BTC first and when the CC funds run out, customers can still do chargebacks and get their refunds that way. The only fair way is to refund BTC first. |
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Dave, the CC customers have nothing to lose. Refund them last. Unless you are personally guaranteeing that every customer will be refunded in full, do the BTC refunds first. |
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hmmmm, so where can I download a full distribution of Bitcoin's debug/build/configuration/gitian/test scripts? BlueMatt's github?
Irrelevant. I don't ask to antagonize the bitcoin developers, but to point out the wrongness of the argument that Avalon can't delete their debug/support code.
If Avalon distributes binaries, they are under obligation to provide the corresponding source code. It's very clear and simple. Then later, they can change the source and provide new binaries for the next batch. |
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Ok, Tom and I are circling around each other a bit without speaking directly. Two days ago he asked me to roll off the project and he would do the refunds himself. Later that night I wrote him an email suggesting that I finish up the refunds process, as it is a complicated bit of work. After the forum posts and no response for two days, I took it to mean he had considered my proposal but was moving forward without me. I waited until late last night to write my departure post.
It looks like Tom got my message a few days late but is taking me up on the offer to get these refunds finished. So I'll dive in - I'm glad to be able to see this part through.
Dave, does this mean you will take over paying the BTC refunds, or will you just continue to process them and send them to Tom to pay? This is the key point. Refunding CC charges is no big deal. Those people can always chargeback. Tom/Dave's #1 priority needs to be BTC refunds. Nothing else matters. |
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400w is a lot of heat to dissipate out of a closed box.
No, it's not. Lots of servers draw 400w in a 1U case. 4U cases can handle well over 1000w, easily. |
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Does this come with a port to pump liquid nitrogen inside the case to keep it from melting?
Huh? They've been quoting 400 watts. Who has trouble cooling a 4U case pulling 400 watts? |
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Since BFL does not actually have a product to sell, any and all BFL-related threads should be moved to a more appropriate forum: Off-topicor maybe: Gambling |
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If you add on all of BFL's preorders, difficulty will go up over 100,000,000. [/b]
a 60GH/s device will only make $5. power will cost $8. So when all the paid for ASICs are in the wild, the low power usage devices are gunna look pretty good!
I call bullshit on that. That would be a network hashrate of 750TH/s. BFL may have done well with their preorders, but their numbers are more likely 1/5th of that based on previous comments Inaba has made. Cancellations have taken their toll. BFL is only ordering 10,000 chips, so well under 75 TH/s is due to be shipped in the first batch. |
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Call me any names you like... I'm still sticking with BFL. This Avalon business doesn't smell right. I'll be happy to print this out and eat it if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong. But, me being wrong is a pretty rare thing...
Let me get this straight. You're going to stick with BFL, who has already delayed from October to November to December to January to February and has yet to show a working device. And you think Avalon stinks, who moved their shipping date up from February to January? You are seriously confused. |
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