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@ Bitsyncom
I think it is time for you to add a little more light on this situation.
What is the situations with that third party company that is handling the shipping process?
What has been done to date so far internally? (with respect to units being assembled or any problems that are cropping up.)
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Well it's not very easy to make fun of a company intending to deliver product in October and only now noticing they don't actually have benches to assemble product on.
Oh, wait, it is.
LOL, I just read about that. I guess they weren't ready in October as they claimed. |
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To someone that knows it, is it normal for a parcel shipped with a 100$ DHL service or so to take 2 weeks to reach the old continent from China?
Can't get a clue over it.
It shouldn't take two weeks. But customs is where most of the delay occurs. This issue should not be too big of an issue as DHL should pass it through customs as it is in transit. I believe DHL Global Express is a time guaranteed delivery. Meaning it will take what it says on their website. Someone correct me if I am wrong about this. |
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Yet again gmaxwell you have misread what I wrote - but in this case it is VERY specific what I wrote.
Read it again - it is not what you are implying I wrote.
There is no requirement yet for them to give it to me. I hope you can forgive my misunderstanding, especially since you claimed that they "are breaking the license doing that." and have been demanding they place the source on a public website. I don't know why I would have possibly thought that when you accused someone to be currently in violation of the GPL that you actually believed they were in violation. I'll try to assume less in the future. Thanks for clearing it up— cheers!  |
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It is what happens when customers lose faith in a company. You either board the refund train A and lose early. Or you board refund Train B (the later one) and lose out entirely.
This can happen again. So watch out for the warning signs. BFL is closer to it than Avalon (IMO).
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Once again: Do not send your fpgas to them ..... Why trust them not to run with both (money and FPGA)? They, should send ASIC first and after you have them working, you should send them the FPGA. They owe you that .... I question whether people will be wise to ask if the deposit will be honored in BTC (not BTC to USD). If so, that would be a very good thing. |
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Edit: I will point out the obvious - you are breaking the license doing that.
The software you have already shipped with the devices is the source code you must supply to anyone who rightfully requests it.
Not some modified version of it ... so you already have the code (unless the devices have been shipped but not working?)
This is not correct.They have NO obligation to give you the source code. They have an obligation to give the source code (indeed, the actual code and not a 'cleaned up' version) to parties that they gave the binaries to, if they request it. That's it. Go read the license. In other words, Kano, become a paying customer. |
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I believe Tom got a "community save" from his antics last night.. hopefully to finally come to a sense of ending with this whole shit storm..
You know what, I'm OK with that. It's better that Tom gets a "community save" and is able to wind bASIC down in an orderly manner or hand it off to someone else to wind down than it is for him to become so totally disconnected from reality due to stress that he becomes paralysed and everything sits in limbo indefinitely. Agreed. Never mind. |
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With a 90% refund rate there really is no point.
Uh.... Wait, is it me or isn't that figure exactly what the person behind "the compromised account" also said in their hack attack. How would they know that by gaining access to his account? That raised my eyebrow a bit.... Edit: Answered by Theymos
Apparently a critical hack may have occurred. Possibly granting the hacker an email locker full of important stuff. |
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It's here, as linked in the message you linked. @ GMA You might want to let him know that it is in a restricted area only accessible by privileged users. (as in Mods) It is in a section that non-privileged users cannot apparently see. Not that I am complaining since I think it was best thrown in some dark corner. |
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You guys do realize that this parallels Dave (@ bASIC) idea, right?
It is just collocation services for miners.
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Cablepair's account is compromised. Please treat any correspondence with him as fake until we can confirm that he has obtained control back to his account.
FWIW, I don't believe it. I think it was really him posting. I hope you guys can restore the posts if that proves to be the case. I think they're important for ppl to see. +2 they were exactly like the wild rambling in his previous tipsy posts.. if it was compromised perhaps he gave out his password(s) in his drunken state.. if so lets hope only his bitcointalk account was the only thing accessed and nothing related to bASIC customer orders. His logs says otherwise. We've resetted his account and logged all active sessions out. So I take it the logs say it was his normal IP the person was logging in from? |
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@ Dob It smells because you soiled yourself, again. New info on batch 2 is released.  |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFdCzN7RYbwPublished on Nov 26, 2012 Animation describing the Universal Principles of Persuasion based on the research of Dr. Robert Cialdini, Professor Emeritus of Psychology and Marketing, Arizona State University.
Dr. Robert Cialdini & Steve Martin are co-authors (together with Dr. Noah Goldstein) of the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Business Week International Bestseller Yes! 50 Scientifically Proven Ways to be Persuasive.
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we have a completed design and wafers that are nearly completed and chips packaged
all this is grinding to a halt due to mob mentality and massive refunds
i had a good friend who literally has millions of bitcoins step in and say he would save the project
If this is would be true there is no reason to hold back refunds. In this case refund everybody, build the damn bASIC devices and ask for the money when the product is available. As long as I did not receive a full refund, I expect a bASIC to be delievered ASAP. So don't piss your customers (as long as you did not refund we are your customers), don't drink but build and deliver the bASICs. Throwing bullshit at us will not help you. well threads like this have encouraged 90% refund rate, so guess what happens now
If you feel pressured this is not our fault. You decided to take the pre-order money and you decided to start this communication disaster. You are responsible to deliver the bASIC ASAP and if you are not able to do this, you owe us an immediate refund. We delivered our money in full so now it's your part to deliver what you sold us. I will be forced to sell 16,000 packaged Brute force SHA-256 Bitcoin mining chips to a single buyer who will no doubt use them for their own mining purposes, I dont want to do it but I will have to just to pay the refunds. This mob mentality may be the end of Bitcoin. We will see what this person does with these 16,000 ASICS. but just use your imagination
WTF? You will sell the devices we already paid for to a thrid party? Are you totally insane? I personally think there will be no (BTC) refund and no product. Why do all those scammers make excuses and not just silence and run? |
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PS: I don't really think Nemesis reads or speaks a word of Chinese. He's the one trolling someone who spoke Chinese in the Avalon thread that I deleted after all.
I suspect the same. |
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We underestimated the shipping cost by like $80 per unit
I would suggest that for the second batch and beyond, for all US orders, that Avalon make one big shipment (or a series of medium-sized shipments) to Yifu in New York, who can then ship them himself (or with an assistant) to individual US customers by UPS or similar. I second that, and I'd be curious to know the details. It may not be cheaper, but it might be faster..compared to dealing with customs on a "per ASIC" basis. Sounds like a good idea. |
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@ Bitsycncom
Could you talk with Avalon team members about the possibility of establishing a premium or advanced warranty protection service?
For example, if a customers unit fails, they can notify you via email for warranty support. The idea being that the customer can then elect to opt-in to use a "temporary" replacement unit that will be stored with Avalon at their site. A BitCoin wallet is either generated for that customer or a simple Web interface/portal is provided for that customer so they can place their details on the temporary machine.
Then while the customer ships the defective unit to Avalon for warranty, the "temporary" allocated unit is hashing away at an Avalon facility where the customer can't touch it physically but can only reach it remotely via a web portal to configure it and utilize it until their warranty is complete.
When the faulty unit is repaired and then returned to the customer. They are given a 24 hour notice that their "temporary" remote unit is going to be reset. Or they can elect to press a button on the portal that immediately eliminates their accounts details from the temporary unit and returns it to factory settings.
This solves the "customer issue" with a unit that goes down leaving a customer waiting for a long transit times between for the replacement to make it to their native country to China and back.
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The customer could also pre-pay the electrical costs of their temporary use of the offsite and remote replacement.
Or they could go through the normal RMA process and simply sit on their hands and wait it out.
Just an idea.
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Does this come with a port to pump liquid nitrogen inside the case to keep it from melting?
Huh? They've been quoting 400 watts. Who has trouble cooling a 4U case pulling 400 watts? What is the temperature of the room that this would need to be in? If you had 50 of them in a room would they be able to cool themselves with just the fans? You would need at least 10 Tons of cooling and exhaust for the heat. So 20KW for the units and 20KW for the AC and exhaust. Not too bad for 3TH+  Wow, thermodynamics.....is not your strong suit. The AC will cycle. I was talking peak numbers. I apologize, I was thinking of BFL at the time I was writing. That angst got to me for a minute. hehe. Sorry about that. |
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If the Avalon device is modular....that would make it a killer product in the ASIC market.
Your customers profit is your profit as well. Sell each extra board at $200 and there is a strong incentive to continuously sell/buy more parts. Creating mini-rigs one board at a time.
BFL?
Well, one unit per housing...sucks. You can't build out your kits without forking over the whole amount.
I dunno, but if this is Avalons strategy, then it is a killer strategy.
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