Thanks for the reply. The basic layout of the ad is the same as the ones placed by CAIR as part of their "my jihad" (or, in German, "mein Kampf") campaign. Some of us found those ads offensive. The CAIR ads certainly weren't neutral. The problem with sending a "peace is the answer" message is that it ignores the fact that jihadis openly do not want peace, except the peace that comes with the extermination of the Jews. Oh well. CAIR won this round. Fuck it.

Actually, that gives me an idea for an alternative ad campaign.

Hmm. This is such a strange response that it leads me to think there was a misunderstanding. The user EternalWingsofGod said "the message could be presented in a better way." I asked what that better way was. In my question I made sure to be clear what the message of the ad was. If he or she thinks the message of the ad is something different, then I'm sure he or she will say so in the response. Did you think the message of the ad was something different than I said? I mean, are you aware of the CAIR run "my jihad" ad campaign that this ad was a response to?

Anyway, it's an academic discussion. It's now officially forbidden to say Jihad is bad. I suppose dealing with that will have to be my struggle. Or one could say "my jihad." I guess since we have some idiot on the thread now pretending to be Hitler he can let us know how to say "my struggle" in German.

Well, congratulations, Nazis. You win another round. Hamas and their surrogate Jihadis in CAIR get to spend years advertising lies about what "Jihad" means. Then as soon as someone tries to advertise about what "Jihad" really means they get silenced. You didn't even have to organize a Kristallnacht to silence her after all. The Nazi NYC government took care of it for you.

You guys really want me to criticize a Jew? Well, I can now oblige.

This man with his bullshit politician smile is Charles Moerdler.



He is a Jewish Holocaust survivor born in Paris, France.

And now he is a fucking Nazi collaborator.

He is now on the board of the MTA and voted to stop this ad from being shown.

Jews today would be safer if Charles Moerdler had been part of the six million.

Maybe in the end this thread will bring many enemies together. At last, we have one Jew we can all hate.

Is there another group of people who are being demonized and lied about to a similar degree?

I literally believe people like most of the people on this thread who spread lies and propaganda about Jews are -- on purpose -- working towards a second Holocaust. I accept that I can't stop them, but I'm not going to watch it happen silently.

Try to imagine if you didn't hate Jews. Try to imagine you were against the systematic extermination of the Jews. And try to imagine you were watching people openly marching the world towards a second Holocaust. What would you do?

You guys may have a day of celebration the day six million Jews are killed -- again. But after the celebrations calm down, I want you to remember me. If you have young kids, you will look at them and know that because of me you will never have grandkids. If you have young grandkids, know that because of me they will never have kids. Your family will die out, the same way you killed the Jews. And it is all because you couldn't take an objective look at the clear evidence in the world today. All because you had to focus on one small group of people while overlooking the much worse actions of much larger groups of people.

You have signed the death warrant of the Jews. And you have signed your own as well.

Yeah, this wasn't nearly as interesting as most of my duels with Nazis on these threads. Anyway, enjoy your life as a Jew hating conspiracy theoriest living in the only third-world shithole in North America.

Well, I can't argue with that. Are you sure you're not a Jew yourself? In my experience only Jews are capable of making such intelligent rational arguments.

Holy shit. Now the first Crusaders were around in the early 7th century. Those time travelling CIA agents have been busy!

Read some history. There are certainly things to criticize about the Crusades, but they were a response to Muslim conquests of what was then Christian lands. Maybe if modern Christians went did a lot of suicide bombings and plane hijackings to demand their land back more people would know about this.

630 was the year Muhammed and his merry band of Jihadis finally conquered Mecca. They demonstrated their tolerance of other religions by declaring there is only one god and destroying the idols of the other religions. Non-Muslims have never seen it since. (But don't call it apartheid!)

But really I could've chosen any year from 623 to 630. Here's a page about Muhammed's battles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

Here's a battle where Jihadis killed about a hundred Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

At the end, though, they made a peace treaty with the Jews, proving Islam is all about peace. Here were the conditions:


Maybe this could form the outline of a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians?

Of course, since the CIA "created" jihadis, I guess you can explain how the CIA obtained Zionist time travel technology and travelled back in order to help Mohammed and his jihadis in their conquest of Mecca. Why would the CIA and the Zionists do this? Well, the oil, obviously. And maybe heroin or something.

Wait. Jews were robbed of their land and kicked out of Muslim countries after Israel declared independence? Why don't I ever hear about that? Maybe I'd hear more about it if there were a series of plane hijackings and suicide bombings to bring attention to it.

I did a google search on both their names with "Jew" and with "Jewish" and couldn't find anything. You should start a website letting the world know they're Jewish. Or embed it in the block chain so it can't be deleted by sneaky Jews.

Just to be clear: I have no idea if either or both of them are Jewish. They might be, or they might not be. It doesn't prove anything about Jews in general.

Are you sure you don't just think they're Jews because they're rich and connected to child prostitution? And that fits your preconception of Jews?

Obviously lots of non-Jews from the middle east have moved to western countries in the last 70 years. Not all of them, ahem, "dress clothes on their head like Arabs" when they're in the west.

This gave me a good laugh. I didn't know the CIA was around in 630. Those bastards must go back a long way.

Hi. Can you provide a source to support "Kamel Nacif" and/or "Jean Succar Kuri" being Jewish? Not that two particular Jews with money connected to child-prostitution would prove anything about Jews in general, but I found it odd that neither of their Wikipedia pages mentioned it.

Pamela Geller is Jewish, pro-Israel (why do you write "israeli" instead of "Israeli"?) and anti-Jihad. I remember reading about her in 2006, so she's been around a long time. I'm sure you could find her side of the story if you're interested.

From what I've read, this ad was created in response to a series of ads designed to mislead people into believing: "Jihad just means struggle, nothing bad about Jihad." This assertion about Jihad is ridiculously false, and Geller's ad demonstrates how ridiculously false it is by actually quoting a Jihadi.

Jews haven't "done well" with Jihadis since the time of Muhammed. I don't think that's news. On the other hand, I'm sure most people aren't aware of the history.

I'm sure if the ads do go up, it won't stay up for long. The modern axis of Jew haters will have a Kristallnacht in which the ads are defaced or destroyed. This will be followed by media stories praising how open and tolerant this proves New Yorkers are.

Yesterday I saw a comment on the bitcoin reddit in the "Shamir vs. Diffie" thread. It referenced that Shamir is a Jew by saying something like "Strange how Jews end up at the top of their field by building a little piece on top of other people's work." It's now been deleted. Do you think the fact that it was deleted is a sign of what you're describing? I would think it was deleted by a mod who saw the comment as racist and irrelevant.

Incidently, I didn't know Shamir was Jewish. In fact, I still don't because I haven't checked. It's not important to me. The thing that's so disheartening is that it's clear a lot of you watch a video and see someone like Shamir and the first thing you think is goddamn Jew. It's probably the only thing you think. That's just sad. Rabid dogs have more restraint and reasoning power.

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

100? I didn't even get to 10 in that post. You're obviously not familiar with my work. What would I have to feel guilty about? I'm not one of the Nazis on this thread.

Look. I understand a lot of you are seriously deeply into your Jew-hatred. You're so deeply into it that you can only imagine that someone would defend Jews/Israel if they are Jewish. If you really need to believe I'm Jewish, it's fine with me. You already believe a fuckload of lies, so why not believe one more? There's nothing wrong with being Jewish, and I'd have nothing to feel "guilty" about if I were.

You can say "oh, I'm not a Jew hater" all you want, but there are several obvious truths. Israel is one small Jewish democracy, in which non-Jews live as citizens. It was formed largely because Jews around the world have been persecuted by people just like you. It wasn't formed by "stealing Arab land." It's a long and complicated history that you obviously don't care about or you'd know it. You spend all your time demonizing Israel/Jews. Meanwhile the world is littered with Islamic theocracies. In some of these places non-Muslims are not even allowed to visit. There are women being stoned to death for being raped. Homosexuals are being thrown from buildings. In the past year we've seen people beheaded, crucified and burned alive. Militant Islamists kill far, far more Muslims than Israelis do. And they kill them in far more gruesome ways. Yet, you spend all your time complaining about Israel/Jews.

Deep down you have to know why you're singling out the Jews. The same reason the Nazis did. Because you're fucking Nazis. Now, I'll acknowledge that most of you are too stupid to know you're Nazis, but that doesn't change the fact that you are.

I do not feel guilty about attacking Nazis online. It's just a little time-consuming hobby I have. I wouldn't have felt guilty if I'd been part of fire bombing Dresden in WW2. As I've said before, the problem with Dresden is not enough Nazis died in a fire. When I make offhand comments about hoping you guys die in a fire, I mean that quite literally. An even better fate would be if someday you were forced to decide between burning to death or jumping from the 100th floor of a skyscraper.

For the record, the previous paragraph is how I hit 10. Would you like to see 11?

Thanks for the response. It's clarifying and I don't find anything to disagree with in it.

I agree the region is complex, and often oversimplified to fit narratives. And Muslims as people are fine, as long as they're either ignorant of their religion or they at least don't take it seriously. It's when they start reading about it and trying to follow the example of Muhammed that they're intolerant and lethal.

As for "real jihadists" I'm curious:

Are members of Hamas "real jihadists"?

Are suicide bombers* "real jihadists"? *I'm thinking of the series of suicide bombings in Israel before the barrier was erected.

Are those who fire rockets into Israel "real jihadists"?

Maybe you have a stricter definition of jihadist than me. I'd say if someone is killing (or trying to kill) in the name of Islam, they're a real jihadi.

By the way, if you ever end up as the star of one of those hostage beheading videos, I'll make sure to tell everyone not to feel bad. They were your friends.

Also, I can't remember Judaism (as a religion) ever coming up in this thread. Islam has been discussed a little, since Islam teaches about both the subject of Jihad and the related subject of killing Jews.