ATTENTION CURRENT & POTENTIAL CAMPAIGN MEMBERS Please be informed of Betcoins unethical behavior.  WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH?
Also, Betcoin player information was compromised in January and many users are receiving regular phishing attacks sent to the address used to register for Betcoin. I hope many of you will consider more than just yourselves and your money when choosing whether or not to promote Betcoin to other members of this forum as "the most trusted" To those of you already aware of all that's been going on, shame on you! |
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Thank you everyone for your great comments and feedback. Any staff member can review and approve a withdrawal 24 hours a day up to 2 btc for most accounts, therefore if you have not received a withdrawal within an hour, simply visit customer support chat or create a ticket here www.betcoin.ag/support As was mentioned, we are working on isolating sports and casino play from poker play to really expedite these withdrawals. We will keep you updated on the progress here. We will continue to work very hard to provide an exceptional destination for you to play and we thank everyone for their great support. Also, we will be getting these limits even higher as we move forward. Thank you. Betcoin- Thank you for checking in. Don't fall for this peep. What they say aint related even a tiny bit to what they do. |
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I don't think this makes Bitcasino a scam and they do technically have the right not to pay this player because he clearly violated the terms. Next time he will obviously be more careful at whatever casino he plays at.
That being said...
The max bet rule is incredibly scummy and predatory. They have claimed it's a term in place to "protect themselves" from abuse - which is total bullshit. There is absolutely no rational excuse for including a maximum bet other than the revenue it generates when players unknowingly violate it. I'd love to hear bitcasino try and claim otherwise. (and no, just because other online casinos like "guts casino" do it does not make it ethical) In this case, it generated nearly 20 bitcoin of revenue for them.
Shame on bitstarz and any other casino that includes such a term.
@btcgambling, sucks man - but that's how things work around here, next time you gotta put more effort into reading the terms, otherwise you might get fucked again.
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How Xiao treats top raker: I have checked my rake paid on betcoin vs. what xiao has sent me on several occasions and always found it to be 2-5% too little. I have addressed this with him on several occasions and he doesn't agree. This is a big deal considering that I also have a Gold VIP level I referred to him, whom of which I am supposed to receive 5% rake paid. This 2-5% short also does not include any fees paid to WPN for tournaments. I have thus far chose not to make a big deal out of this because I can not get a better deal anywhere else, but I feel this information should be known.
Ungod, is your alternate forum name "xxlithiumx"? If so, we've been over this in private message and the rakeback you were receiving has always been consistent to within 1% with the data I'm supplied with. Regarding your referral, if he's not playing, I can't pay you. Even if he tells you he's played a lot last week, it doesn't necessarily mean he's paid a lot of rake.
I'd like a screenshot of my earnings from the period of 10/30/15-12/9/15 you can post it here if you'd like.
@Ungod I can only communicate with the original forum name we communicated with. Like I said rakeback has always been within ~1% of accuracy of the data I'm supplied with. Also I don't even have access to 10/30-12/9 data. Username 'ungod' received the transfers each time, it's in the history.
You'll find a message in your inbox from that account confirming this is my identity with the same request i posted here
did you take care of this xiao? |
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What a nice guy, he left me some love letters of trust  :  |
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Found his own little forum he started. Ironically his username is "botmarket" Here's his profile: http://geek-2-geek.com/user-1.htmlThread lying to members of his own forum! http://geek-2-geek.com/thread-869.htmlLikely alt account on his own forum: http://geek-2-geek.com/user-2.htmlShit, did this guy creat s forum just so all his alts could hang out?  Raffles are worthless and has no fairness in the game.
The owner just draws constantly until his sock puppets win and suck your money out from the pot.
I don't know that we have proof of him actually cheating, just lying a whole lot. |
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However due to the exponential growth of the site it may take longer now.
Why do you lie so much? http://www.pokerscout.com/Note: Bum hunters sittin at empty tables included 11/30 7 day average: 28 players 12/9 7 day average: 39 players 1/19 7 day average: 41 players 2/19 7 day average: 30 players 2/26 7 day average: 37 players 3/9 7 day average: 34 players |
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However due to the exponential growth of the site it may take longer now.
Why do you lie so much? http://www.pokerscout.com/Note: Bum hunters sittin at empty tables included 11/30 7 day average: 28 players 12/9 7 day average: 39 players 1/19 7 day average: 41 players 2/19 7 day average: 30 players 2/26 7 day average: 37 players 3/9 7 day average: 34 players |
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New Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782194Old Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=687379New Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375048.0Old Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1312679.0Site: http://btc-raffle.com/The user, btc-raffle, created a gambling site and claimed it was " undeniably provably fair" Really it was just a bunch of his bots pretending to play a raffle game that dooglus, Rhaver and others determined was not provably fair at all. He got butthurt, locked thread and ran off for some weeks. Recently a new user "Rackem" started another btc-raffle.com thread claiming: Hello everyone i just purchased this website, we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements in hope to get some huge raffles going. We offer a low 1% house commission 100% Referral commission Fun members chat Instant Withdraws And more coming soon. How the game works is each player can buy a ticket and the winning ticket is picked via blockchain. Hope to see you all on the site, have fun. URL http://btc-raffle.com"we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements" is his way of explaining the 3-10 bots playing these instant raffle games 24 hours a day non stop. There are no advertisements other than his thread. I chatted with "admin" (him) on the site and have no doubt it's the same guy. I'm sure anyone who followed his antics and then attempts communication will agree. btc-raffle.com trusted feedback:  |
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New Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782194Old Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=687379New Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375048.0Old Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1312679.0Site: http://btc-raffle.com/The user, btc-raffle, created a gambling site and claimed it was " undeniably provably fair" Really it was just a bunch of his bots pretending to play a raffle game that dooglus, Rhaver and others determined was not provably fair at all. He got butthurt, locked thread and ran off for some weeks. Recently a new user "Rackem" started another btc-raffle.com thread claiming: Hello everyone i just purchased this website, we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements in hope to get some huge raffles going. We offer a low 1% house commission 100% Referral commission Fun members chat Instant Withdraws And more coming soon. How the game works is each player can buy a ticket and the winning ticket is picked via blockchain. Hope to see you all on the site, have fun. URL http://btc-raffle.com"we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements" is his way of explaining the 3-10 bots playing these instant raffle games 24 hours a day non stop. There are no advertisements other than his thread. I chatted with "admin" (him) on the site and have no doubt it's the same guy. I'm sure anyone who followed his antics and then attempts communication will agree. btc-raffle.com trusted feedback: |
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New Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782194Old Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=687379New Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375048.0Old Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1312679.0Site: http://btc-raffle.com/The user, btc-raffle, created a gambling site and claimed it was " undeniably provably fair" Really it was just a bunch of his bots pretending to play a raffle game that dooglus, Rhaver and others determined was not provably fair at all. He got butthurt, locked thread and ran off for some weeks. Recently a new user "Rackem" started another btc-raffle.com thread claiming: Hello everyone i just purchased this website, we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements in hope to get some huge raffles going. We offer a low 1% house commission 100% Referral commission Fun members chat Instant Withdraws And more coming soon. How the game works is each player can buy a ticket and the winning ticket is picked via blockchain. Hope to see you all on the site, have fun. URL http://btc-raffle.com"we are currently spending a lot of money for advertisements" is his way of explaining the 3-10 bots playing these instant raffle games 24 hours a day non stop. There are no advertisements other than his thread. I chatted with "admin" (him) on the site and have no doubt it's the same guy. I'm sure anyone who followed his antics and then attempts communication will agree. The main reason I'm making this post is because he's keeping his thread locked so there's no way to warn anyone other than to give him neg feedback. btc-raffle.com trusted feedback: |
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All rakeback has been processed, GL!
@Ungod I can only communicate with the original forum name we communicated with. Like I said rakeback has always been within ~1% of accuracy of the data I'm supplied with.
You'll find a message in your inbox from that account confirming this is my identity with the same request i posted here Xiaoxiao will cooperate like any innocent person +800 Xiaoxiao will ignore ungod for days -300 Xiaoxiao will respond with new reason he wont cooperate -425 |
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Your research is on par with a 5 year old. Anyone with half a brain could figure out everything you presented. Not only that, but some of your accusations are wrong.
They are not new and did not just launch as you have insinuated. They have been around for years and have done nothing short of showing the highest quality customer service in the industry. If you compare their customer service to other sites, you will find they put most others to shame. Their signature campaign that you docked them for has only been around for 2 months. They have built a huge customer base without using a signature campaign, but started getting into that recently.
So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are. Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly. Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.
So in conclusion, you did maybe 5 minutes of research and made a quick post about it. If you have any evidence or proof of a scam, please present it, otherwise you have nothing and this is coming across as someone as a chip on their shoulder. Did you lose some money there or something?
Is this a joke? |
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Working with Betcoin on this since so that they can separate poker players from the players that solely bet sports. As with all poker rooms, there is cheating and abuse.
Betcoinsports did pay me 20 BTC in one payment and I haven't heard any complaints about the sportsbook.
If betcoin knows you run this thread, I think your experience will be less representative of how they actually run things. They will tell you whatever they think will impress you the most. I doubt they have any intention of actually seperated sports and poker accounts for cashouts. They are more likely just trying to make you like them. They care about what people think of them, but they are constantly trying to do sneaky stuff that makes them look good. When they get caught, they just bonus whoever noticed and carry on with their plan to maintain an honest reputation dishonestly. They also do a good job at containing complaints to their own site. They have a chat room and a forum for players to vent, which they censor heavily. If you want to see how things really are, just go watch the chat room on a Saturday or Sunday night. Managment is never around, players are often having meltdowns about some issue that ends up tying up their money till monday. TechKiddie1: 6 hrs and no grade, support unresponsive even when doing live chat, 3hr ticket not responded to at all 9:11pmTechKiddie1: Like wtf is this 9:11pmTechKiddie1: Srsly frustrated with betcoin TechKiddie1: Well they aren't even talking to me sooooooo 9:18pmTechKiddie1: Obv not that great 9:18pmTechKiddie1: Already missed all of the games I wanted to bet on 9:19pmTechKiddie1: like wtf obv they don't want my business TechKiddie1: keep the chips Idc I'll just leave this shit book if that's the case valjean: Can a nikka get a bet grade valjean: My outright not graded wither TechKiddie1: do outrights take longer or smthn? TechKiddie1: https://sports.betcoin.ag/ShareTicket/?ticketid=209647 no grade yet TechKiddie1: what gives? TechKiddie1: does betcoin usually grade esports instantly? |
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oh and bump What about this?  I can't find anything about "Bestslotsgambling" anywhere. When I search, all top results are either the fair gaming page on BTC-Casino.io from above, or a BTC-io affiliate that pasted it into their site. It's kind of hard to imagine the "leading software provider in the gaming industry" can't be found anywhere online, or mentioned by any other online casino. Perhaps you could share some information on this so that affiliates will be able to continue to drive traffic to your site with a clear conscious. This is being ignored in the BTC Casino thread as well. Your "leading software provider" doesn't seem to exist. |
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defrosted in 90-ties? Looking to get back his mojo
whats the ninety-ties? |
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tldr;
Twitchyseal was right, instead of apologizing betcoin is giving everyone daily coin ticket instead.
Did you read the post above lol? They AGAIN apologized and are offering a review of your account to see if they owe you. If you actualy owe them since the 100% rakeback promo was taking place then, they will give you a poker ticket... im more excited to not have to see all the trolling then finding a few penny's. Yes, I did. THey think for some reason they think some players "technically owe funds to Betcoin" I read how betcoin is going to be so generous by not "taking these funds" and instead giving a daily coin ticket to a tournament that they have no hope of filling without giving away tix neway. I also responded to the post at 3:58. At this time, there was no apology. They went and edited the post at 4:11  Then thanked you for calling me a troll at 4:22 in typical betcoin fashion. Keep kissin their ass crazy wack. They love it. |
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tldr;
Twitchyseal was right, instead of apologizing betcoin is giving everyone daily coin ticket instead.
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Xiao gets paid to bring players to Betcoin.
Betcoin steals from players.
Xiao says Betcoin only stole pennies for a brief period
Players show Xiao proof that Betcoin was stealing 10's of Bitcoins for almost a month and a half.
Xiao says Betcoin only stole pennies for a brief period
Players ask Xiao to explain why he keeps saying this.
Xiao tries to play the victim!
"I'm not even an employee or staff member and you just continue to attack me. "
Players keep asking why Xiao thinks Betcoin only stole pennies briefly when theres proof that they stole way more for way longer
Xiao posts tutorial on enabling automatic time bank because "People have been upset over the 3 second warning until timeout"
Amazing
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Is there any signature that I can wear?
This is an alt account of a member who is already in your campaign. Last weekend ftwbtc posted this on Betcoins forum: ftwbtc: In retrospect, he shouldn't1 week 1 day ago
In retrospect, he shouldn't have slowed played the Kings, but he is also very very lucky SillySausage didn't have more on the table because that could have completely wiped out 40+ btc in one hand! link: https://www.betcoin.ag/actl0nnnn-loses-king-quads-royal-flush-bad-beat-poker-hand#comment-52948Within minutes this was posted by noobtc in this forum: In retrospect, don't slow play those Kings! __ACTl0NNNN is lucky SillySausage didn't have more on the table! I was expecting both accounts to dispute it and claim it was a coincidence that they both posted identical thoughts, which began with "In retrospect, " and included "more on the table" and were made just a few minutes apart. Instead they (singular) have just ignored it. I suspect the sponsor of this campaign is behind all of this, but I'll stop here for now. Can you explain what do you mean? First you came here and post something about our Participant and then you say that "the sponsor is behind all of this." Behind all of what?
Best regards.
(...)
I suspect the sponsor of this campaign is behind all of this, but I'll stop here for now.
Can you explain what do you mean? First you came here and post something about our Participant and then you say that "the sponsor is behind all of this." Behind all of what? Best regards. By sponser, I mean Betcoin.ag management. I believe the ftwbtc1 and noobtc accounts Betcoin are used to protect their reputation. ftwbtc1 = noobtc Post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13883749#msg13883749ftwbtc/noobtc = Betcoin Jessica Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365849.0I'm very confident ftwbtc = noobtc I think it's very likely ftwbtc/noobtc is Betcoin Jessica or is someone who is told exactly what to post by Betcoin Management. Other relevant examples of Betcoins questionable ethics. (questionable is generous) Andrew Betcoin: I will give you a daily ticket, but you must write a review about Betcoin and tell people why you enjoy playing at Betcoin in Spanish. This review will then be posted on a forum. Please do it here in this ticket first. Andrew Betcoin: Post in this forum is at the bottom in the answers and I'll give you a bonus ticket: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.1300  Betcoin Scam Accusation (undisputed after months) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0
No disrespect intended for manager of this campaign.Hello,
No disrespect, but I must stop you here.
Ftwbtc came here as a "Member" and he just nicely wanted to participate in our campaign.
I told him that we don't accept "members" but he wanted to wear our signature without getting paid per post.
He is a big fan of the Betcoin.ag because he know that Betcoin.ag is one of the best.
Also if Betcoin.ag Management was offering some tickets for reviews about them, what's wrong about that? Ask people for a review is wrong in your opinion?
Thank you very much for your time. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with offering bounties for reviews.
However, if noobtc account is an alt of ftwbtw I'll do my own own investigation.
Good luck,
best regards.
Hows the investigation going ? |
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