EDIT: Turning this into a contest. I'll award 1 BTC per day to that day's winner. Entries in by midnight UTC, I'll pay the following day. First day is Monday 8/27 (to be paid out tuesday), last day is Sunday 9/9 (to be paid monday 9/10). That should be around the time the MNW bet ends. Let's see what you can find. They don't have to be ducks, anything related to ponzis, greed, lies and gullibility. Animations are a bonus, and original creations are a bonus. This runs for two weeks, so pace yourself!
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Well, there have been a couple of forum members now who have claimed to have discovered his business model (with the inference it's not a ponzi). I couldn't find the older thread in my history, perhaps it was deleted. It had the phrase "open mind" while going through Pirateat40's forum posts revealed how he was legitimately generating consistent 7+% a week. But here is a fresher version, "That being said, read his post on this forum and on IRC and you will get an almost clear picture about his business.":
Patrick also said the he figured it out. I would like to provide some insight into what was going on as I mapped out the mechanics of what I thought was going on to Pirate last week. It had taken me a while to work out the money flows, and he confirmed that I had it pretty much straight. For the doubters, they would say he was simply lying and stringing me along, but that could be said of most people on the forum.
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What are coins used for? -Short Term Investments -Bitcoin Projects -Private Loans
It doesn't make sense to describe the use of an investment as being an "investment", because you already said that. Around and around in circles... for what point? And at least describe a bitcoin project, for chrissakes.
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Which is where the confusion comes from. Most people have problems trying to figure out why someone would pay more for a bitcoin than you would get back. (ex. pay 1.2btc for 1btc).
When I asked about this, the best answer for the purpose of the service was for buyers to pay a premium in exchange for getting generated coin (aka vanilla or virgin coin), coins without a transaction history. But there is little demand.
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I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires. It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.
Which day please? I can't remember the ins-and-outs of the bet. Ask "Vladimir" he was the one who made it with him. You mean Vandroiy.
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Oh I understand that I am just saying even with an imaginary 51% attack he still wouldn't have the potential to pull it off (or at least not at a profit). If he had to do all those and still lose a huge sum of money it would be far easier to just walk away with a guaranteed profit.
Well, I disagree. Id rather bank 100K BTC perfectly legally than be on the run from the law for the rest of my life with 5x as much. He doesn't have that much, its imaginary interest. I'd like to see some estimates of deposited principal, not imaginary exponential gains.
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I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires. It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.
Which day please?
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You should try working out your maths again...
Its your maths, not mine. IPO price will be 1.55
Contract
TYGRR-BOND.PI Bond face value is 1 BTC. If BTCST defaults the bond will be worth 1 BTC. If BTCST does not default the bond will be worth 1 BTC.
1 insured BTC for 1.55 BTC. what a deal Goat takes in 1.55BTC per bond. Goat sends 1BTC to Pirate, 0.55BTC is his. Pirate defaults, sends Goat 0BTC. Goat pays out 1BTC. How is Goat making a killing on this bond again? Like I said, he doesn't send the 1 BTC to pirate. Instead, in the case that pirate doesn't default and continues paying interest, he can pay the interest on your coin with the interest he gets on his own coins. He swapped the risk of a pirate default onto the buyer of these insured bonds, who loses 33% if pirate defaults. He assumed the risk that pirate continues to pay for 6 more weeks. Pirate only paid on 2-3 weeks after the start of the bond, so goat keeps that difference.
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Did you show your wife the first picture? lol Looks like you made some withdrawals from pirate before he shut down. lucky for her
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The turn of events in the forum is quite sad. I hope that when Pirate pays everyone back we can all forget about this, and move on to more happy discussions (and stop accusing without proof, like Mathew said).
What do you (and other pirate lenders) hope happens here if pirate doesn't pay back?
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Actually, I "know" what he was doing, and how he could make such profits. Now if on monday he hasn't paid back/post a news, I will explain the general concept. He was not a scammer, and it wasn't a ponzi, that's for sure. That doesn't mean he will be able to repay all of his debt.
Now I understand why you think pirate deserves to be thanked and everyone who called him a lowlife piece of shit should apologise. Wait, what? You'll understand what I meant on monday. Do you promise on Monday?
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Will you reduce giga and burtw 5-starfish rating when their pass-throughs default?
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If someone comes up to you in the street and makes you an offer that sounds to good to be true, you might not even politely decline (although it would be the mature thing to do) you certainly don't scream "SCAMMM, PONNNZIIIIIII" at the top of your lungs, and even bother to come back to him and insult him, like it happens on the forums.
If someone is knocking on every door in my neighborhood with a utility scam, I would follow him around to my neighbors so I can warn them on the spot. If one has the right to solicit, another the right to anti-solicit. I would also call the police. Warning people about scams isn't fun but it is civil. However, promoting scams, even if done politely, is extremely ant-civil. As for baseless accusations, they aren't looking so baseless now are they? There was a strong basis, starting with evidence of absence (not to be confused with absence of evidence), that pirate was a operating a ponzi scam.
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I think you are a stingy client expecting way too much for $50/$100. If you want to prove you can get better for $45, pay it to animatedbanner.com and show here what they make for you (linking to their examples doesn't count).
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It's as if the haters want the bitcoin economy to fail as I do not see them doing anything positive.
HYIPs are not "the bitcoin economy". Passing coins around and giving each other imaginary fractional increases on deposits is not productive and is not a service. Correct, but the are a part of it. The same logic suggests real life banks are not productive, nor provide a service. The efficiency of capital markets and the lowered cost of seeking funds is actually a tangible benefit, and that is why they exist. However, this is more a discussion for economics rather than this particular security. The purpose should be to support and enable productive activity, not for "seeking funds". That's putting the cart before the horse. When everyone is happy "investing" in nothing more than promised profits with no discernable business model, then they aren't serving or helping anybody (just gifting one person). And that makes it more difficult for honest businessmen to access funds. Because who would bother with something risky that requires actual work when you can earn 7%/wk with pirate and "its highly unlikely that he'll default". Someone who wants funds doesn't even have to build a scammy coinscalper like front-end anymore. People have gotten so lazy with greed.
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It's as if the haters want the bitcoin economy to fail as I do not see them doing anything positive.
HYIPs are not "the bitcoin economy". Passing coins around and giving each other imaginary fractional increases on deposits is not productive and is not a service.
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This thread is for BTCST updates, but its understandable that it is has gone completely off-topic.
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