In the O.T., and according to the sayings of Jesus, the two main laws were:
1. Love God above all things;
2. Love your neighbor as yourself. He said about other commandments as well. Those are the mains, but not the only ones. In my opinion the main message of the Christ is: Law is to protect not condamn, and we are to share with pleasure not to take because of fear we won't have for later. In Galatians, Paul said it differently: To be honest? I am a little bit doubtful about the Paul apostolship. He often is contrary to Jesus words. Stop talking about evolution. Even if it was wrong, I showed you many more examples of how science works. You haven't showed any examples of how religion works, therefore science explains and knows things better than religion. Do you not agree with that? What do you mean how religion works? Religions are bad. The contact with the one God is good. He had helped Tesla to make the computer you are using, by inventing most of the effective ways to transfer electric power on large distances and many other devises used in pcs. I am fairly sure you would not use your electronic devise if not him. Well... Tesla would agree with me if you would ask him about the God part. He told that in his interviews. |
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Yes they seem to have in common some beef with corruption of knowledge and way of rulership by the latest pharaoh and babylonian Kings. http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.htmlThe issue of yaveh, elohim etc seem bit more confusing in old testament than new  When taking from hebrew it doesnt seem all that clear if they are always speaking of same one god, or reference to concept and myth / deities of older things. It look similar to how egyptian and babylonian gave different name of lesser gods to amon or marduk to give semblence of unity in the kingdoms, or to make different laws or making into one belief. Kinda like the devas in hinduism, being responsible for different aspect of the manifestation of the world. Sometime in old testament the God seem more personnified, sometime it's more like the one god. Seem to depend on the context. Yeah I know. There are mysteries to be debunked here, but I have not enough knowledge to debunk that claims. Sorry. All I know is that there are human traditions mixed with God given traditions. Maybe you are mixing those two together like the ancient Israelis had, that made God angry about them. Pantheons was sometimes made from conquest aka human traditions. One nation was conquered but could have its human traditions. Later on they heard the God message that he is the one and they were confused - which of those is the One. Thats my hypothesis about that. Babylon is the symbol of the land of confusion. Btw I like the song by genesis. |
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Have we made cars, planes, medicine or any technology based on religion? No, every technology is based on science and guess what, IT WORKS. You are typing your retarded shit thanks to science, not religion. Religion did not make computers. Do religious people go to the hospital when they are sick or do they pray and wait for god to heal them? Wake up to reality, religious nut. Yes science works and has inventions based on it. Evolution does not work and has no inventions based on ot. And don't mix biology, biochemistry and genetics, because thats separate fields, having nothing to do with making new species. To the contrary, existing science have no interest nor aplication in making new specie or playing gods. Any conclusions hot shot? Evolution is not science even with your silly definition of it. There are no "cars" out of it or elephantmouse breeds. You worship science, yet you probably know 10% of what I know about it. Maybe even less. I like science. Where have you noticed that I do not follow your logic? I follow you, I go ahead of you, and then I even double you. Havn't you noticed that? You are no challenge for me as for now. I debunked all your claims, and you just use circular logic, that I need to prove this to prove something else, before I can debunk you, when you know its impossible to prove God. If that would be so easy, everyone would believe in him. If that would be obvious, every idiot would be able to understand that, I would not have to prove God existence to you. Why do you say that religion and science are separate? Most of the brightest minds were believers. Those mediocres were not. The thing is the bible is really two version between old and new testament. I thought so as well. Before I had read it. After I had read it I know is that those books give one message. It could be argued that they are speaking about two different gods. At a first thought. In the first testament they mention elohim that is a plural Yes the Father and the Son. and it use lot of references to older myth, and inspired from other myth.
Can be wondered if old testament is really even about the "one god" that much.
But it's inspired from kaballah, and fundemental axioms from tree of life, the concept in both science and relation in the principle of rest/motion, active/passive, emission/reflection, potential/energy, even the concept of archangels, as active principle of creation and all this come from older things like kaballah, egypt, etc.
All the fundamental axioms from science also comes from this actually.
If you want to know how Old and New testament is one - they both are hostile towards the ancient babilonian mysteries. So you might be right that everything comes from babylon. But its everything that is wrong and despisful for God. He mentions it many many many many times. Its one of the most consistant message in the Bible. P.S after some thought about I can't be optimistic about the future. Bad things must be done so that people would understand what is good and bad. Good is what God wants, bad is what God despises. So... what must be done must be done. Until The Jesus comes back again to renew the world and made it anew and reign. Only the Lord will be exalted, not man. |
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Science. Entropy shows us there was a beginning. Complexity shows us that there is something that entropy has not destroyed. Complexity and entropy combined show us that the complexity of the past was far greater than it is in the present. Cause and effect (and many other scientific things) show us that the complexity is far beyond understanding. Whatever caused the "something" of this universe to exist out of nothing, had the complexity of the universe within it, including the complexity of intelligence and spirit and mind. This all shows us that whatever the Creator is, He/It is God. And it show this to us through science.  Yet... He created us in his likeliness. So we potentialy can understand his complexity by the science endevaours in the future. Thats absolutely wonderful that potentialy the whole world can be within our eyes and the whole complexity within our minds. Right now it would be hard to imagine us to understand even a tiny part of his magnificence. Ofcourse all of this not to take his place, which would be impossible, but to better worship him, to be one with him. just like it would take a REAL God to make the gigantic changes in a cow so that it becomes a frog.
In my opinion a God that would make evolution could not be the God of the bible. That would pose us two questions. 1) Are there any inspired texts that are better. 2) Is God trying to mischief us? But that would mean its not the God of the bible so there is only first option available in my opinion. |
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And you telling me that what I say is desperation? You realize people knew that cows produce cows before writing the bible, right? How does that prove god lmao. That does not prove God. Have I said that? That proves validity of BIBLE model of creation of life, that unless any population would produce something else from a cow than a cow, the evolution is impossible. Do you know what a counter argument in logic even is? And you say Im stupid? Do you know what is an argument? Do you know what is a counter argument? Evolution is a counter thesis to the Bible. And if one is right the other is wrong. God have described how reproduction works in the same passage as the creation passage. Its deep in meaning. Description is a part of science. The difference between us is that I know what is the difference between a description of facts and its explanation. Yes it is not an explanation in the BIBLE. Evolutionists says that their descriptions are explanations. THEY ARE NOT! You are describing your false theoram with unfactual bullshit. The bible describtion is only one and it remains A FACT! Ofcourse its not explained. DID I SAY ITS SCIENCE or science proof? YOU STARTED THE DEBATE! I told you that talking about evolution does not belong here in this subject BECAUSE ITS NOT SCIENCE. And you like a maniac start to put the words in my mouth that i think creationism is science. IT IS NOT. Neither does evolution. ITS OFFTOPIC THAT YOU HAVE STARTED. If the population of cows always produces cows,then its the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. The absolute means divine, unchangable. And that remains as fact. Prove that its changable than that would mean its not DIVINE! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Its the atheist job to prove that God is wrong or unexsistant, otherwise the term atheist is completly moronic. The whole debate is not about creationism proving God. Its not what its all about. Creationism can not prove God. Ok? Im not claiming it. The whole debate is about if science knows better or not than religion. The answer is no. Because evolution is not science. |
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I hope I will get subscribed to the campaign
User: Przemax
Postion to Apply: Sr. Member
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Is there a place for a Sr. member?
I saw in the spreadsheet doc, that one of the five Sr. member might be inactive, I could take his place if you wish.
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it can be, because god is like santa claus, only people that want to believe in something believe about it
Yes the god is like santa. The God... thats another story here. You know at least a half of everything? Even if yes, how do you know if God isn't in the other half? |
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So no testable evidence whatsoever, that's what I thought. You also can't disprove this: The giant spaghetti monster created all animals, can you? You see, you don't know what testable evidence or evidence is. ''Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.''
That's what you said, however you have to prove that god exists in the first place and then you would need to prove he actually said that and then prove that he actually did it, where is the proof for any of that? Just admit it, you believe in it because that's what you were told, there is no evidence for any of it. In fact why do you believe in the bible and not the other religious books? How did you determine that the bible was factual and the others aren't? My proof of validity of God's word is that cow breed cow and thats what been and thats what will. If someone wrote a letter to you and said. Hey Im Fred, and I had left you some money under that and that tree, and you would found that money there. It will not be a proof that this guy is Fred, but at least you could assume that a guy that claims to be fred is trustworthy. Right? Why would I not believe God if he proofs to be trustworthy in everything he says in his Bible? Now take evolutionists. There are numbers of evidences of frauds made by evolutionists and no claim they make is provable truth. Sometimes to the contrary. And you defend them - that at least they try? Oh come on............. My confidence of Gods word is coming from people like you actually. You say that there are claims, while there are none valid. Thats a desperation. You can try to find a proof of evolution. But every day of not finding anything gives me more and more confidence in my claims. You claim that God is wrong. He have done it like so: He made a Human kind. Human kind can only and will only produce humans. Some will be sick some will be asians some will be caucasian. But they are all humans. How do I know? Because the product of the intercourse is human. ALWAYS. Take every other kind there is ALWAYS the same kind. That proves the creationism. You can call it what you like, but if you will not find evidence to the contrary GOD WORD IS PURE TRUTH here. Its a fact. And science deals with facts. How did he do it? I do not have an idea. Actually I have but those are just hypothesis right now. How did you determine that the bible was factual and the others aren't? The one that talks about facts. One kind of animal produce the same kind and will always. Thats a fact. Isn't it? OMG if you have kids what do you expect - a duck? How more factual that could be that you expect human and can have 100% certainty. Guess whats the offspring of a fly. Yeah a fly. Even if it would be bigger fly or smaller fly. Different colour fly, more haired fly. IT WILL BE A FLY! noone ever will or will experience something else. You are willfuly ignorant. But our lord said there will be a lot of people willfuly ignorant of him in the last days. The giant spaghetti monster created all animals, can you? Yes I can disprove it. In order for a proper spaghetti to occur, animals have to exist because spaghetti is made of animal parts and wheat. |
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Discovering Dna Complication of dna is rather a disprove of evolution at best. Its nowhere near to be a proof. finding transitional fossils You do not need to wait millions of years to create fossils. You need a catastrophy. Like a global flood for example. By the way. Its circular logic. Biologists reffers to geologist and geologist to biologists without checking validity of claims. Babilonian logic I say. Complicate things more, maybe you will build a tower to the sky of this absurd. matching traits to common ancestors Thats not science. Its a priori. observing evolution over short timescales like the peppered moth but there are other examples worth pointing out 24Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. Yes peppered moth came from its kind a moth, not a banana given enough of time to pass. Sorry being mocking. Its asking for it. Our war against bacteria is rapidly producing highly resistant strains Disease are there to help us gain health not for us to get away from them. Toxicity is the origin of disease. Do you think a bacteria is a danger to healthy individual? Pasteur even said that bacteria is nothing, the enviroment is everything. Medicine right now is finding the benefit of having parasites. You have completly outdated informations my friend. Science is leaving your position to more enlighted one. We start to see the nature is not our enemy and not everyone try to kill us. Similarly, many animals are adapting to pesticides There could be some form of natural selection of those. I fully agree. That does not prove evolution that God is wrong what he says. But its not a mutation per se. Its a variation within a specie. Most of those variation can reverse. And it could be that young rats are activating their fenotypes within a genome, within a contact with a toxin. That's blind faith to you? Yes, because I have said it does not disprove this: 24Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. Real testable evidence, do you have any? Yes, there is no animal that does not aply to this: 24Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. Of course you don't Yes I do. Look up. you said it yourself ''I could at least hope to be ressurected'' and that's why most people believe in what they believe, because of fear to accept reality.
Posted on: Toda No. I have said it because you had said that I fear death. I don't more than I fear God. Its a tautology of yours that I had destroyed. I had given a logical counter argument. |
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You are scared of death, I get it but believing in supernatural nonsense is not going to do you any good. Im more scared of God than of death. I could at least hope to be ressurected, as a true christian knows everyone goes to the same place - emptyness and nothingness until God decides differently. The music of my life is recorded. Im recorded as a seed of music. So yes. I will go there were you go - to Sheol. Later on I might be ressurected, or not (made a new, not as undead zombie) in a brand new world where everything is new, New Jerusalem. I have absolutely nothing to lose - you have. And even if they were wrong assumptions, they are still based on something unlike the bible which doesn't provide any type of evidence for anything it claims. You clearly are only the believer in what you say... And in that case, you are a blind believer not me, because you ignore there is no proofs while you claim there are. You close your eyes. Thats what I would define a blind believe, you reject the evidences to the contrary. I claim my believe does not have proof -YET, there are only evidences that helps me remain on my faith. There will be the proofs revealed as the Christ had said. Nothing hidden shall remain so. I should actually thank you, because apriori evolution believers claiming they are aposteriori, are a joke that makes christian believe more in the message of the Lord. You clearly do not know what you talking about. Listen to Kent Hovind you all evolutionists. You cannot state thats all of my claims, if I was not claiming those are my claims. You are deeply unhonourable and unfair here. You fight with ghosts. Fight with a real champion of creation mr Kent. Either way I knew evolution was wrong waaaaay before I became a born again christian. So... yeah you do not have to be creationist to be deeply sceptical about whole of the evolution. The snakes and relation to fruit of tree of knowledge is reference to more ancient myth. The snakes in egypt are often associated with wisdom or enlightment. Or intermediate between knowledge / light and human mind.
If you would know the bigger mythological background, you would know one thing. The snake aka dragon is an axis of conflict between many cultures. One are claiming it is good "deity" others claiming the thunderstruck from heaven is battling it. So if you would be more sincere you could say, that a snake is the symbol of an adversarial axis - aka the adversary aka Satan. You seem to claim that the adversary is good. Are you aware of it? |
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Evolution provides evidence and then explains it. You know fossils, dna, etc etc. What you mean it doesn't answer anything. It answers how animals are how they are today, because of mutations and natural selection. Sure we don't know exactly how every species of animals evolved at any given time but that's still more than the bible, isn't it? I suggest you make another topic and give me your best shot at this. Then I make my post and destroy all your claims? How about that. What do I mean in saying, it does not answer anything? Its just gives story based on wrong assuptions. What is worse in evolution is that I can prove your assumptions being wrong. You can't prove God did not make it. Everything is always within the same kind. There was no speciation that would produce infertile offspring within a kind. Ofcourse there is a ring specie, but it does not prove anything as it can easily prove creationism as well. There is a natural selection - I agree. But that is nowhere near to prove evolution, as there is no proven fact of beneficiary mutation that create new specie. I do not mean subspecie like wolf and dog that can breed to give wolfdog, but a mutation that can make dog or any other animal, worm, insect to be unable to reproduce within its kind, even be it thousands of years (even with some species that reproduce fast like insect that are given radioactive isotopes or so). You believe that - that has not happened - ever. And will not happen. Just like fully sentient AI. Its a wet dream of atheists. Not sure why hermes would be Satanism. The principle of Hermes seem quite in tune with the bible, but there are probably point of divergences. Just a secondhand opinion. I had not made my own. |
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It's clear that spirals are presents in virtually all ancient tradition, and veda with the swatika and others things are also in incredibly in tune with mathematics and metaphysics.
Cycles are pervasives in all the Vedas.
Spirals are symbol of progression, and connected to Fibonacci in nature like seashells.
I know that. Ancient people were aware of electric universe. At least the priests. Scientific lee is talking about ancient people knowing this. The principles at core of relativity explain much better this relation between mater and energy.
Honestly? Im sceptical about this whole relativity. But if you insist. When looking in precedent for jesus like persons, can see hermes trismegistus, or horus. The myth around horus is actually very close to the myth of jesus. Or king solomon. Hermes? Sorry to say but that names rings - Satanism in my ears lol. Maybe Im ignorant here. Thats my choice. I could guess that the abomination of desolation that speaks about the desecration of the temple speaks about the cult of Hermes. Popular in Greece. King Solomon? God was not glad about him either. Catholics aka Babylonians ( Im using this term because catholics have veeeeeeeery old traditions, that is almost the same like Anatolian Hittites (cult of Ishtar) some even a looooooot older coming to king Nimrod, the ressurection of Tamuz on december and such) are loving this guy tho. Are you implying Jesus=Satan? I must strongly oppose here. "Let no man decieve you". You will not decieve me. Pythagoras said numbers are the measure of all things Smiley
Well..... God is the judge. So whatever. Pyth might measure, however the God will measure him like he is measuring others. Common problem is when rulers and king become too much into materialism, possession, extension of territory, orgies, instead of wisdom.
Thats not the message of the Bible. All man are bad. Thats the message of the Bible. Some are more God loving or God fearing people. The bible does not answer anything, it just states things. You don't seem to udnerstand that. Science has more and more knowledge on how the universe was created, the bible simply states god did it, that's not an explanation, it's a statement. Abiogenesis is getting there, there are successful experiments creating living things from non living matter. Religion does not explain how humans are created, it just states that god did it. Just like evolution does not answer anything hence - evolution=faith. Abiogenesis. You mean that by giving energy to dead matter you create batteries called organic carbohydrates? I have said that is evidence for the creationism at best. Science have more and more theories. I can have millions of theories how to get rich. Am I guaranteed to get rich? No. |
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You type a lot but you say so little. You are just trying to convince yourself at this point but you know deep inside all this, is just blind faith in 1 of the many man made religions that were created to explain things that we didn't know back then. Wake up to reality Atheism is not a default possition, so its logical that the only person that need to convince themselves out of a default possition is you. There is no such a thing as a blind faith. Every faith has some merit in it. Even a faith in authority. Authority to be worth faith need to be at least charismatic. Yes I had typed a lot, because the subject is a lot more complicated than you try to make it. Science does not have the answers for everything. If you think it does you believe in scientism. And its stronger faith than I have in my believes I would say. What is that any religion says and science answers better. I challange you to find one. And yes. Religions are dogmatic. I try to not have dogmas. Im open to any conclusions as long as its logical. I was hearing a debate of sikh with a muslim, and as I had found muslim to be dogmatic and nitpicking, the message of sikh was very close to the message of Christ. I don't agree upon meditation, but.... he at least understand that a prayer to the Lord is valid for me, not a meditation. But yes there are milion kinds of meditation, maybe some are valid. I do not know. I know some are very toxic. The universe coming to it’s current state in six days, talking snakes, humans being formed from clay or out of the rib of other humans, women having children but staying virgin, people being resurrected after days of being dead. None of which you see happening today, of course. In fact, there is never any explanation of anything in the bible. They are just statements, it never explained what god is or how god was formed or how god created anything so you could say the bible doesn't really answer anything in the first place. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsHow did a universe come to a current state - don't tell me evolution. Its a faith that is more dogmatic than any religion. So why you say "science" knows better? Talking snakes. You seem to have problem with that apparently. Ok science says correctly that snakes can't talk. That seems true. The only problem is that this "snake" is something like a ghost, its not material. Science does not say that ghosts does not exist. Have science an answer of why we have internal struggle and temptations? No. So why you say that science knows better? Human beings are mainly water, organic material out of carbon and dirt. Take out the water and carbon and you have dirt. Have science made human? Does science knows how to create life? No. So why you say science knows better? By the way, the organic material is just a storage of energy. There need to be input of energy to make an organic material like sugars and proteins. So why is it wrong to say that energy=god has created humans out of unorganic dirt? As its only a stored energy animated by energy with a sense of being and intelligence= a breath of life, soul. Can science make artifical intelligence? I bet they will not in millions of years. Women having children but staying virgin. Its nowhere in the bible. But science would be wrong saying that it is impossible. People being resurrected after days of being dead. Ok. So science have the answer what is life and death? No it does not. Bible answers 3 questions that science can not, at least for now. What is life and death, what is the meaning of it and how did it begun. Science is not to be believed, but you believe that science have answers to my questions. That is scientism. Science is not something to be believed, and yet you believe a lot of things as most atheists do. Its normal. People need to believe that for example they will not die choking in their sleep. That requires some faith. |
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You type a lot but you say so little. You are just trying to convince yourself at this point but you know deep inside all this, is just blind faith in 1 of the many man made religions that were created to explain things that we didn't know back then. Wake up to reality Atheism is not a default possition, so its logical that the only person that need to convince themselves out of a default possition is you. There is no such a thing as a blind faith. Every faith has some merit in it. Even a faith in authority. Authority to be worth faith need to be at least charismatic. Yes I had typed a lot, because the subject is a lot more complicated than you try to make it. Science does not have the answers for everything. If you think it does you believe in scientism. And its stronger faith than I have in my believes I would say. What is that any religion says and science answers better. I challange you to find one. And yes. Religions are dogmatic. I try to not have dogmas. Im open to any conclusions as long as its logical. I was hearing a debate of sikh with a muslim, and as I had found muslim to be dogmatic and nitpicking, the message of sikh was very close to the message of Christ. I don't agree upon meditation, but.... he at least understand that a prayer to the Lord is valid for me, not a meditation. But yes there are milion kinds of meditation, maybe some are valid. I do not know. I know some are very toxic. |
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Hi guys, I been sort of a enthusiast and involved in crypto since 2013 I think. I haven't been that active until last month when I really put tons of hours reading and catching up. I have talked so much about crypto with family members that they ask me to save some funds for them in crypto and I believe BTC is the safest bet. I got some at 2700 but the price is going up like crazy, usually there is a correction but it seems BTC has a rocket in its behind My question is for long term is it better to wait or is the price going to keep rising. Maybe we have a new bottom? I know it's speculation but curious what people are thinking. Other than that I'm glad to be a part of this great technology and promoting it. Definitely,bitcoin price is going to go high in future.It may even cross $5000 by this year end.Investments in bitcoins should be in a long term basis and short term benefits should not be expected as in altcoins.So,better hold it and don't regret after by selling it now.There are only very few chances for bitcoin price to fall again. Actually the value of Bitcoin from 2015 until today has growth high than x10. This is a huge growth rate with any asset in outside, but I understand the value of Bitcoin can growth as now because the community cryptocurrency in short time can attractive many people on the world's, including me. Actualy it had drop in 2014 sixfold. So its not a golden goose without any risks, but yes its for sure the best long term investment now. You are at least safe from inflation if not double your funds in few years. |
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I sometimes have the feeling that if it comes to media and education, the dumber the person is the higher he sits.
Comparing the price of bitcoin and gold has only one logical explanation. To advertise bitcoin. Next, they say they are worried? You just adverstised bitcoin now. You will not undone it by saying you are worried. Thats like thinking one thing and doing another. That is just absolutly stunningly stupid.
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I came across an article this morning that, to me, really shows why the world needs a virtual currency. I'm from England, and there's a saying here that goes: "When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold." The article discusses the history of the Asian Financial Crisis, and how we may be heading toward something similar. It amazes me that we have a currency that can potentially protect us (working people) from global financial crises. This is unique and incredible time in history!  https://www.rt.com/op-edge/398890-financial-crisis-asia-curency/Only those who can afford not to burnout of their btc fast during the crisis could be the financial crisis proof. You still have to eat, drink and basicly live. When inflation would kick in everything would be so expensive that only the richest will not get poor, they will even be richer on speculation and thieving people out of their money. I would say that middle class would have the worst. They are the ones that have mortgages and other silly debt and silly needs. |
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