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3801  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2017, 12:03:05 AM

@JihanWu
All Bitcoin Cash fans should be brave to tell the truth to the world and friends, when dragon's den coordinated another social engineering attack

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/929746144372047872

Dafuq is this bullshit! The old switcharoo....You and Verr should see a jail cell in the future, pair of greedy thieving bastards, stole bitcoin brand name... Stole users money. It's coming, you'll pay for what happened this weekend
I just can't stop laughing. How many people actually believe his narrative?

Actual people? Not many I guess.
Is there any realistic chance of them getting prosecuted? I realize that crypto is completely unregulated, but what these people are doing out in the open is quite absurd. Not that it personally affects me in any way, but I sure would love seeing some justice served with a side of rice. Would be a great ending for this story.

No need. The ultimate grand victory of Bitcoin over BCH will serve as their painful lesson. It's worse than killing them.
But imagine if they had to observe it out of a cell or in poverty.
3802  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ? on: November 13, 2017, 12:02:14 AM
Why will you connect any valuable things with bitcoin? If you are responsible, you can go and buy what ever you wanted. But not with the use of bitcoin. Bitcoin must not accompanied with any illegal movements.
Because we all know that fiat money doesn't get used for illegal activities either. Roll Eyes Good luck with that.
I am sorry but I disagree with you. Most of illegal transactions are using fiat. Even silkroad was shutted down, so using bitcoin is doesn't mean that you cannot avoid the law enforcement. Bitcoin now is mostly used in exchange, fintech industry and  online business.
Do note the "roll eyes Roll Eyes". My statement was sarcastic. It's pretty obvious based on the size of the crypto market alone that the majority of illegal trades occurs in fiat and not in crypto.
3803  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 11:58:24 PM

@JihanWu
All Bitcoin Cash fans should be brave to tell the truth to the world and friends, when dragon's den coordinated another social engineering attack

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/929746144372047872

Dafuq is this bullshit! The old switcharoo....You and Verr should see a jail cell in the future, pair of greedy thieving bastards, stole bitcoin brand name... Stole users money. It's coming, you'll pay for what happened this weekend
I just can't stop laughing. How many people actually believe his narrative?

Actual people? Not many I guess.
Is there any realistic chance of them getting prosecuted? I realize that crypto is completely unregulated, but what these people are doing out in the open is quite absurd. Not that it personally affects me in any way, but I sure would love seeing some justice served with a side of rice. Would be a great ending for this story.
3804  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 11:54:08 PM

@JihanWu
All Bitcoin Cash fans should be brave to tell the truth to the world and friends, when dragon's den coordinated another social engineering attack

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/929746144372047872

Dafuq is this bullshit! The old switcharoo....You and Verr should see a jail cell in the future, pair of greedy thieving bastards, stole bitcoin brand name... Stole users money. It's coming, you'll pay for what happened this weekend
I just can't stop laughing. How many people actually believe his narrative?
3805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥Tokugawa Coin 🔥 Japanese Masternode 🔥1000% ROI🔥Buy in ICO on: November 12, 2017, 11:50:01 PM
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3806  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading Tips for Beginners on: November 12, 2017, 11:43:29 PM
There really are no tips for trading for beginners because you shouldn't be looking to get into that at all if you're new to crypto. Or even in general it isn't something you want to try as you could potentially lose a lot of money. Especially if you cannot control your emotions and know what you're body is telling you when you get bad feelings. Just learn about how to use Bitcoin and keep buying as much as you can for the long term.
Trading is an art and not everyone is an artist. This is what I was told once I stepped into the world of trading. Trading really is a very profitable thing but at the very same time it is very much risky to get into it. The only thing which can help you in your future is the amount of knowledge which you’ll be having. Above all, patience and control over your nerves is the most important thing which you need to have.
Becoming an artist or trader is all about perserverance and constantly thinking about what you haven't tried out yet. Smiley

This is so true. Every time I learn something new in trading (a new technique, a new indicator), I feel much more confident in my trading and the results are much better. I've been successfully using technical indicators to enter and exit trades lately. The more you learn the better. Don't stop!
As long as you keep learning you'll never get bored either. And if you don't know what you learn anymore you can try drawing parallels between two distinct subjects and try to meld them together. That'll increase your understanding and appreciation of both and allow you to learn even quicker in the future.

Glad your trades are working out for you by the way. Keep it up!
3807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 12, 2017, 11:39:59 PM
Why is BTC going up then?
Why is BTC going to be 8500 next month according to Fibonacci?   Now that we have a support level of 6k, up from the previous month...
Sell me your BTC if you are scared.
I dont really understand people like them... Bitcoin wont die in next 22 years i mean to the end of mining but why people are scared about it?!
A mix of people new to the market and people confused by the Bitcoin Cash manipulators.
Definitely bitcoin wont die this is always happening in bitcoin price drops and suddenly up. Yes maybe because of bitcoin cash thats why they are saying bitcoin would dead. Bitcoin will still be strong and price will be up again.
Agree completely. Bitcoin Cash is completly unusable now because not even Bitmain wants to mine its own shitcoin BCH right now. BCH please indeed.
3808  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 11:38:13 PM
$5000 is my mental stop-loss. I really hope it holds.
Are they dumping in an attempt to maximize damage? I mean there are probably more subtle methods of cashing out.
Damage, otherwise as you said, there are subtle ways.
Too bad we've had a correction coming anyways.
Unless they manage to dump the price to $1000 they would've failed quite horribly to even be able to claim they've did any damage.

If I wasn't following the whole drama I would just shrug the Bitcoin decline off since it's so ridiculously tiny in comparison to what it has seen in its younger days.
3809  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Well after a day of whacking off here on the computer (wait, whacking away) I finally have all my crapcoin-classic coins moved from old wallets. What a trip down "get this old POS to work again" memory lane.

Now funny that but the transactions on Cash chain are running slow as shit. Gee I thought this was so the coin of the future with big big blocks or somesuch crap. Can't even spend it...

Reminds me of catcoin.


As I wrote before, it now seems that not even its creators are mining it!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin
What a complete joke. Wonder how many more attacks they'll manage to troll people with.
3810  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin better than stocks, real-estate? on: November 12, 2017, 11:17:48 PM
Bitcoin now do for its yield is higher than any stock and real estate. But in the long run your investment in real estate have a high level of protection against collapse. Property prices are now at the bottom. It is always in demand asset. It is less risky and therefore less income. But this income is guaranteed.
Some people think that bitcoin is a better option than both trading and real estate  because investment in terms of bitcoin if made with some good analytic methods earn you huge profits on urgent basis whereas the other two methods are comparatively slow and steady.

I agree with you that real estate business is good for the long term investors because of a lower level of risk, on price fluctuation at all and higher reliability.
Real estate can be extremely risky and it's a very illiquid market.
3811  Other / Off-topic / Re: Must Watch Anime on: November 12, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
Shinsekai Yori.

Great OST, great production, great story and very unique.
3812  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ? on: November 12, 2017, 11:13:26 PM
Why will you connect any valuable things with bitcoin? If you are responsible, you can go and buy what ever you wanted. But not with the use of bitcoin. Bitcoin must not accompanied with any illegal movements.
Because we all know that fiat money doesn't get used for illegal activities either. Roll Eyes Good luck with that.
3813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES | Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform | unofficial supporters topic on: November 12, 2017, 11:11:13 PM
I nevertheless did not understand what you have to do to buy yourself an alias for your Surf deal with, and how you could use after that it exactly.

Not sure if I understand you, but you can create an alias to receive payments.

So instead of giving an address like "3P2HNUd5VUPLMQkJmctTPEeeHumiPN2GkTb" you can give you alias, like "seaiectric" and others can pay to that alias.

It's already working with the official Waves Lite Client / wallets, I don't think exchanges support the feature yet.
Wouldn't that make sending to the wrong address far easier though?
3814  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin regaining dominance. on: November 12, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
It's also very strange that one of the biggest promoters of Bitcoin Cash, Jihan Wu, would act in favour of blocking the SegWit2x fork, which was immediately followed by a pump of the Bitcoin Cash value. I highly doubt the timing was a coincidence and if you consider the fact that these individuals control a very large amount of both currencies it would not come as a surprise if they flipped their own BTC/BCH to start a FOMO pump

And what is strange in his actions?

As to me, it is strange that he first decided to support the SegWit2x fork at all, not that he later withdrew his hand (when it became clear that SegWit2x would fall right on its face). Indeed, if he resisted the SegWit2x proposal outright that would likely make him into a black sheep among the mining community and Bitcoin corporate dudes. On the other hand, that might all have been planned right from the start. I don't mean SegWit2x cancellation, of course, but rather using Bitcoin Cash as a sort of backup plan (and creating it beforehand). If SegWit2x didn't fail, we would likely have seen a lot more action and tension in Bitcoin after the hard fork release on November, 16th. What we see today seems to be a lite version of what we might have seen if the SegWit2x conspiracy hadn't failed as it did
It's not really strange, I just didn't want to outright state that he almost certainly planned this whole fiasco well ahead in time to gain control over Bitcoin. I don't think that the timing of the BCH pump was a coincidence and I don't think that he was for SegWit2x and then just randomly decided to vote against SegWit2x down the road for any reason other than attacking Bitcoin Core.

I'll at least give them credit for orchestrating such a large scale attack. It was quite the performance. But I still hope that they will fail miserably in the end.
3815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why is bitcoin cash rising all of a sudden? is it killing original bitcoin? on: November 12, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
After the BTC failed to implement Segwit2X it looks like this time BCH is determined and will replace BTC lead the market. People are panicking for what is happening in the battle between the BTC and the BCH. I'm still skeptical of this bold move from the BCH and if this coup succeeds then the altcoin market will likely have similar coups.
BTC didn't "fail" to implement SegWit2x.

Check who voted against SegWit2x.
It was the Bitcoin Cash team! They are manipulating public opinion, the Bitcoin Core blockchain (flooding transactions), and the Bitcoin Cash price. And they have been planning this for months, as you can see by Bitmain only accepting Bitcoin Cash for their new miners since a few months back.

Bitcoin is doing just fine, Bitcoin Cash is the piece of shit that can't play fair and square and has to resort to shady behind the scenes manipulation in order to even stand a chance.
i think this is a reason for bitcoin cash break $2500 , and i believe bitcoin cash come back $500 soon . after pump is dump , bitcoin - btc is king  crytocurrencies .
The people behind this shitshow still have a huge amount of Bitcoins and Bitcoin Cash left, so we might see more of this in the future. Hopefully that won't happen, but be prepared.
3816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Ethereum a bubble? on: November 12, 2017, 10:09:56 PM
Yeah, but you ride wide the waves and keep stop loss like your best friend and no bubble can reach you.
The problem is that no one can know when that is going to happen, remember bubbles do not burst slowly most of the time it happens quickly and that is why most people are surprised when it happens, you just need to look at any historical bubble to confirm that is the way things happen.
I don't think to identify a broken bubble is too difficult, you can see the price of Bitcoin since 2013 until 2015, this is an example to know the bubble of Bitcoin was broken. It will happen fastly at first dump and decrease every day. The growth bubble of the altcoin market in this year was also broken when the price of Bitcoin increases.
Knowing when a bubble burst is very easy after the fact, you only need to look for a dramatic decrease in price that happens relatively quickly but to know when the bubble is going to burst is not easy, many were warning about the real estate bubble in the US but they expected to happen a lot sooner they did not knew it was going to happen when it did.
You can't really compare the real estate bubble with Bitcoin though. A lot of cryptos will definitely burst, because they claim to create value even though they do not. Bitcoin however, is in a very unique position. So it might very well keep going for a very long time. It's more of a technology, like Google, which could allow it to climb for several more years depending on the speed of adoption.
We just can know a bubble until the price of the bubble breakout, haha.
Honestly, there are many issues about the stock price of Google or Amazon in the past.
After the dotcom bubble burst, the value of these stocks dumped to lowest price and many people thought these stocks are bubble.
But look at now, these companies became the best tool for research and retailer no.1 in the world. Roll Eyes
They just got up in the shitstorm of greedy and incompetent companies. Same thing will happen in crypto when people start realizing that most ICOs and altcoins that they are holding are complete garbage.
3817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 12, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
Why is BTC going up then?
Why is BTC going to be 8500 next month according to Fibonacci?   Now that we have a support level of 6k, up from the previous month...
Sell me your BTC if you are scared.
I dont really understand people like them... Bitcoin wont die in next 22 years i mean to the end of mining but why people are scared about it?!
A mix of people new to the market and people confused by the Bitcoin Cash manipulators.
3818  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
We need more throughput. Segwit is not nearly enough. I hope we can agree that far at least?

Ibian, there was never a time when Bitcoin users or even the Core developers, denied that more throughput or lower fees were needed.

BUT... it is completely disingenuous to bring up "more throughput needed" EVERY TIME that the network gets spammed by bad actors and create a massive backlog, but never bring it up when the network is operating normally and the mempool is nearly empty (which is like 95% of the entire year!).

Can we at least agree on that?
I bring it up every time we have this discussion. Fees should be low enough to be meaningless for the average paycheck-to-paycheck worker bee. It isn't and hasn't been for a while.

And... You hit the nail on the head!!! That's what it's all about
It should be, but it really isn't. Just look at how he dodged the question.
3819  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 09:21:01 PM
I can speculate that BCH might go down in the near term while simultaneously being a big block supporter.
You can simultaneously pretend to be an expert while being a con artist. Yes, we are well aware of that. Smiley

Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.
They need an updated whitepaper,  "A CEO-to-Peer Electronic Cash System".

That sure sounds like Satoshi's vision for "the real" Bitcoin. Roll Eyes

@notgrubles 5 hours ago

#Bcash: Peer-to-Centralized-Payment-Processor-to-KYC/AML-clearing-to-Megalomaniac-CEO-to-Peer Cash

Someone has to think about protecting the children after all.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/

protected from the CEO? or his associates perhaps.
Protected from taking too much control of their own lives.
3820  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2017, 09:17:03 PM
I can speculate that BCH might go down in the near term while simultaneously being a big block supporter.
You can simultaneously pretend to be an expert while being a con artist. Yes, we are well aware of that. Smiley

Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.
They need an updated whitepaper,  "A CEO-to-Peer Electronic Cash System".

That sure sounds like Satoshi's vision for "the real" Bitcoin. Roll Eyes

@notgrubles 5 hours ago

#Bcash: Peer-to-Centralized-Payment-Processor-to-KYC/AML-clearing-to-Megalomaniac-CEO-to-Peer Cash

Someone has to think about protecting the children after all.
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