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3821  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 03:30:43 PM


My name and order quantity were edited to protect the innocent. Wink

(Order number is real though)

Mod edit: Hello idiots who can not read: please note "order quantity were edited". This isn't a real order for $98k in product.
3822  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 03:23:17 PM
BitSynCom, any update on this issue? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120184.msg1463570#msg1463570

I've been trying to get a response for 12 days.
 

Which Avalon customer has the lowest number?

We can keep tabs on who's getting their tracking number first by asking the people with the lowest numbered order.
3823  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Shipping to UK Which one DHL, EMS, FedEx or UPS? on: January 20, 2013, 03:14:18 PM
I'm in regional Australia and I've ordered off AMAZON and they send it DHL.  I'd order stuff on a Thursday and it'd arrive the following Tuesday.  From the US no less!

I paid $88 for international shipping, so it better bloody be super speedy delivery already!

paying extra after already paying for "priority" is where I draw the line! Priority means "is as fast as it gets!" (Doesn't it?)
No, it depends on the carrier.
Priority international (To Australia) is a non-express option.

Express options cost quite a bit more. They usually fall into the multi-day category of shipping speed.

There are also critical services available for most carriers which will deliver the same day. Though these are prohibitively expensive. (like 200$ to 500$)

http://www.dhlsameday.com/
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/shipping/same-day-delivery.html
http://www.fedex.com/us/sameday/
3824  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
By the way, serious question and all joking aside, does the Avalon Team need more time to fine tune things? Do you think you got a quality product out (no regrets or anything)?

Hang on, I though you worked for Avalon?
Do you work for BFL?

(It would explain alot of things!)

P.S. I do not work for Avalon, nor do I represent them.
3825  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 01:32:26 PM
Wait, no pictures or a demo video even? I wanna see dammit!
Unlike the BFL contests where you make up a promo for a product that doesn't exist (yet), Avalon is probably inviting you to do your best at video and picture editing.

There should probably be a prize for who can do the best "I am mining Bitcoins!" video.

I would just love to see your faces as the <insert carrier here> offloads it from the truck and when you unpack it and then turn it on.

Would be a cool way to diss BFL. LOL....
3826  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
Oh you guys, I think everyone is at a boiling point because of the delays made by our competitors.

We shipped, website will be updated shortly.

First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.

we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.

The avalon team on the other hand is going to make sure the whole shipping process go smoothly. like handling DHL/EMS problem, and other custom issues.

cheers.
By the way, serious question and all joking aside, does the Avalon Team need more time to fine tune things? Do you think you got a quality product out (no regrets or anything)?
3827  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: January 20, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
Oh you guys, I think everyone is at a boiling point because of the delays made by our competitors.

We shipped, website will be updated shortly.

First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.

we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.

The avalon team on the other hand is going to make sure the whole shipping process go smoothly. like handling DHL/EMS problem, and other custom issues.

cheers.
Nah, we were just joking about the counter. (It never gets fixed!)

3828  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 20, 2013, 12:54:44 PM
Nah, it will just go to zero and then negative. It's always done that in the past.
3829  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 20, 2013, 12:50:31 PM
T Minus Ten Minutes.

All looks good for go.

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3830  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 20, 2013, 12:22:27 PM
35mins to go.... Grin Shocked Cool
3831  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: MegaBigPower.com - Managed Hosted Mining on: January 20, 2013, 02:25:32 AM
Depending on the size of your rig, prices will target a baseline power cost to you of between 9.6c kW/H and 14.4c kW/H.  These are estimates - I haven't nailed down all my costs yet.

Thanks for your consideration,
buzzdave
megabigpower.com
9.6-14.4c per kW/H? That's right in the range that most of us are paying for residential electricity.

Do your prices factor in insurance?
I'd also be interested in this. Can you give more details about what your hosting service would look like? Speaking of services, wouldn't this thread be better off in HERE?
Thats what I thought as well....

Data centers pay the wholesale rate at around 4.5 to 2.5 cents per KW/h.
3832  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 20, 2013, 01:36:31 AM
@ Mods

Could you Ban MeSarah? I think the sentiment is clear that they provide nothing worth the electrons on the screen.

Or better yet, just Ban them for another 30 days. Make them wait for the next post!
3833  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The State of the ASIC Market on: January 19, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
So what will people do when there are no avalons next week?

Panic?
The same thing as BFL and bASIC customers....wait.

At least their delays aren't all that long.
3834  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The State of the ASIC Market on: January 19, 2013, 11:57:46 AM
Sorry Bitsyncom, but you are completely full of shit.  Completely.  You have repeatedly stated that it's "impossible" to do things, yet somehow BFL manages to do the "imposisble."  

Why do you continually prod me with a stick?  I have left you alone to go do your own thing with your ancient technology and your ridiculously immense power requirements, yet you want to keep antagonizing me.  Why is that?  

I really hope you have something to show on Monday, you have about 24 hours to produce, so we'll see then.  The fact of the matter is, though, no one is going to buy your 1990's tech after we ship, so enjoy the few weeks of glory you will have if you can manage to ship a working product that doesn't melt.


if the imposisble is to announce numerous delays  and alienate others with cutting remarks such as 1990's tech, then yeah BFL has done quite a good job.


I dont have an order with any asic mfg. yet, but it looks like Avalon will be the first to market and the first choice customers. This far, they've shown the most definite shipping date, and even if they release a melting product on monday, it will still be leaps beyond the current state of Butterfly Labs' ASIC, which was supposed to be released In December.
He's just worried.

They probably let him know something unfortunate when he got to the chip plant in Calfifornia.

Take a look at the BFL twitter feed. He said it was a long day. I wonder what that means. Typically you would hear him expunge himself of utter enthusiam for things going great.

I am guessing...something did not go well.

P.S. For the uneducated the packaging part of the process is where they also test and check the chips performance values.
3835  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The State of the ASIC Market on: January 19, 2013, 11:54:34 AM
Sorry Bitsyncom, but you are completely full of shit.  Completely.  You have repeatedly stated that it's "impossible" to do things, yet somehow BFL manages to do the "imposisble."  

Uh, no it doesn't.

See BFL @ CES 2013.

Why do you continually prod me with a stick?  
Change the word stick with Fact and you have a conversation worth holding.

BitSyncom stated that BFL would not be ready as claimed. They weren't. See the posting on BFL forums for that.

BitSyncom also stated that a production of ASIC is a known process governed by physics. It is a predictable process. Again Josh refutes this in his ignorance.

What happened in January? (30 days later)

They still didn't have the chips ready. Was this predictable based on the manifacturing cycle? Yes.

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Now Bitsyncom is providing more claims, that a package change cannot be done on "a whim". That it would require significant changes?

In all of your post you do not deny this. Here take a look at what you wrote:

I have left you alone to go do your own thing with your ancient technology and your ridiculously immense power requirements, yet you want to keep antagonizing me.  Why is that?  
Because he is in the same buisness as you. And knows enough about making ASIC (even if on a larger process) to know when you are pulling a bullshit stunt to buy "extra time".

Which is...coincidentally....the trend.

I really hope you have something to show on Monday, you have about 24 hours to produce, so we'll see then.  

Josh levels the demand just days before having told his customers (paraphrased):

"It will be ready in another month. Just wait. Oh, and I have some goodies of more pictures for you to contend with."

The fact of the matter is, though, no one is going to buy your 1990's tech after we ship, so enjoy the few weeks of glory you will have if you can manage to ship a working product that doesn't melt.
LOL, in one breath he states the age of the process was developed and used in the world of technology, but gladfully omits that 90nm and 65nm was developed almost ten years ago.

Does that put things into perspective? Nah. Blowing more smoke.

Oh, and he finishes it off "professionally" with a "so enjoy the few weeks of glory you will have if you can manage to ship a working product that doesn't melt."

Which is coincidentally what happened to his plastic packaged BFL ASICs when they were checked in December. (keep in mind we are now in the later fringes of Mid-January)

You can't make this kind of comedy up!



PS - Your last few sentences are interesting.  Are you having some issues with heat and have to throttle back a bit to fix the the issue?  



Said by the guy who's chips melted....

(Ah, by the way, bASIC was going to release 1.4w per GH/s chips @ 90nm)

(BFL is now going to release up to 1.2w per GH/s chips @ 65nm)

Heh.
3836  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: January 17, 2013, 02:01:14 PM
So i think it is pretty obvious now that there are NO Engineers or work being done by BFL

1)They have outsourced the lot
2) Their key role is purely Sales
3) Maybe some assembly but thats it!

I don't quite understand your point. When you need (more) engineering expertise, but you don't need any (more) full time engineers, you...outsource.

Is there something wrong with that?
Inaba stood on his podium not long ago and told us all how he had basically designed the damn things, had made great achievements in ASICs. Now, not so true.

As I said back then and still do today, they paid someone else to do all the hard work. They just basically pointed out the specs sheet and discussed the main bullet points as far as I am concerned.

Poor guy didn't even know when the ASICs were coming out of the Fabbing Oven.

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Just now, on the BFL forums he went to fly somewhere to find out in person how the whole thing is going. You could say he was just a glorified phone call/email assistant and an attendant at the door coordinating the incoming boxes of new parts.

Sorry to make it sound harsh, but that is how I see it.

P.S. I very highly doubt BFL_Jody was talking about BFL_Josh as the engineer who didn't call her with an update. She meant the "real engineers". You know, the people who are actually making it. (IMO and "Speculation")
3837  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 17, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
So, I put that here Smiley

http://puu.sh/1OQYs

<ironic>sounds trustworthy to me!</ironic>




That irony is a shared affair, apparently. I thought exactly the same.
3838  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 17, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

Didn't you realize that BOTH of your posts are already deleted? You can PM him in your mother tongue if it suits you and him, just don't do it here. Your last few posts are filled with ad-hominem attacks against him, and is off-topic.

Back to the topic;we have  3 days to go for the shipping to occur. I would wager that most people are currently on the fence to see where they'll put their money now. Expect a massive wave of requests for refunds at BFL if Avalon pulls through....
I think I would expect a massive wave of refunds at BFL if Avalon falters just the same.

2 of 3 failures*  is a pretty bad sign in any sane mind. It would probably be enough to scare people into pulling their cash out immediately.

(Not including ASICMINER which is probably a success)
3839  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 17, 2013, 11:38:27 AM
So after waiting days for the Avalon team to clarify the claims they made of having 10+ years experience producing ASICs they have failed to address the issue I have raised. I said they would avoid the issue of experience and they have done just that. The Avalon team's silence is thunderous. After all if they tell the community the truth after lying the community would rip them a new orifice and kill their chance of a successful second round of pre-orders. But after Tom's debacle it is unlikely that many would be willing to go the pre-oreder route again when purchasing an ASIC product.

So let's approach the question of Avalon's experience from a different direction. It has been reported that Avalon bought something like 1000 ASIC chips from Tom, sight unseen and untested. The use of Tom's ASIC would require a new PCB, chassis and power supply, bASICally a completely new product. This being true even though Avalon was going to be first to market. A thinking person can see my next question before it is even asked.

If the Avalon team is so skilled in manufacturing an ASIC product why don't they have the confidence in their own product? Why does the Avalon development team believe an untested, still in development ASIC is a better product then the one they have produced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_EnrVf9u8s

It is becoming increasingly unlikely that Avalon's production run will exceed 300 units. I personally believe that there is a greater than 80% chance that Avalon will become the next failed Bitcion ASIC producer.
Alright, I will bite.

What links do you have to solidly support the idea that Avalon purchases 1000+ ASIC devices (or otherwise) from Tom?
3840  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bASIC not shipping / change of owership / refunds etc. on: January 17, 2013, 02:12:54 AM
It's humor. The 'tehehe' should have been your first clue that it was humor. It's not like I am comparing Tom's family photo with a photo of Hitler which I'm sure would offend millions of Jewish people.
Strangely I thought Hitler typically offended alot of people, not just the Jewish people.

I guess that means you don't find Hitler offensive?
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