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3901  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN BREAKS ALL-TIME HIGH IN CHINA, $17 BILLION MARKET CAP on: January 04, 2017, 03:22:25 PM
The easiest way to transfer money abroad is from China.
They finally understood this.


How soon before the Chinese authorities crack down?
3902  Economy / Speculation / Re: why did btc sort of jump from 800 to 1K on: January 04, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
It's a speculative pump. It started with something real (the banning of high denomination notes in India), and when the price on the Indian exchanges jumped, the speculators piled on in the Chinese and western exchanges.

At some point people will take profits and it will go a little lower, maybe back to $1000 or $900.
3903  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero exchance centralization... a danger? on: January 04, 2017, 12:20:34 AM
Monero is on quite a few exchanges - see the following:

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/#markets

But yeah - it's worth spreading the trading around to make sure too much isn't concentrated on one exchange.
3904  Economy / Economics / Re: How a cashless society could kill Bitcoin. on: January 03, 2017, 10:06:33 PM
I disagree with the OP. A "cashless" society would even benefit Bitcoin.



Well if India is anything to go by, then you are right - there wasn't much interest in bitcoin there at all till the withdrawal of the notes in circulation.
3905  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: January 03, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
DDOS attacks on the exchanges are no longer enough to make the price tank.

planned maintenance on bitfinex is enough to tank the price, let alone their glitches, hacks and screw ups. that will always, always be a factor.

People have moved away from bitfinex since their hack though, haven't they? With luck some of the better exchanges will end up handling most of the volume and the weak exchanges will fade away.
3906  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The European Union Wants to Identify Bitcoin Users on: January 03, 2017, 08:12:21 PM
Isn't it amazing. They openly give money and weapons to terrorists. They open their borders to terrorists, and then give them homes and other benefits.

And then they want to try to stop the guy who is working over here, and wants to send a bit of cash home to help his family buy food.

Yup. Some of the terrorists were claiming benefits and using them to fund purchasing arms etc

The main goal of the useless folk in the European Parliament is to hinder FinTech to prop up their failing banks, the terrosim is just an excuse for the other stuff.
3907  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOW is a good time for a hack! on: January 03, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
I just wonder that hacking is that easy like waiting for a price rise and then making it ? You people over estimating hackers. They will work on opportunity and will surely attempt for bigger lump sum but definitely will not wait/delay.

I would hope that all the major exchanges have learnt serious lessons from what has happened to other exchanges in the last few years, and have employed proper security measures plus some insurance.

Of course they may all be run by doofuses who are too dumb to learn from experience - lets see how this plays out.
3908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Planning your Bitcoin Withdrawals on: January 03, 2017, 05:34:16 PM
You need to take account of the price you bought as well, plus capital gains taxes. Most countries will allow you to take a tax-exempt capital gain up to a certain threshold. So if you sell slowly and are under this threshold with sales each year, there is no tax to pay.
3909  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: January 03, 2017, 04:29:38 PM
It really has really big difference since the 2013 price bumps in just a month while in 2016  it really took more almost a year.
Nevertheless, I am seeking for a greater and positive ahead of 2017, we don't need to argue with this what's important is we have to help each other so bitcoin will continue to rise.

The 2017 will not be the same as the 2013. The price will rise gradually to $2000 or a bit high, not very high.
People were saying exactly the same at the time the price went through $1200 back in 2013. And we all know how things have ended back then.

Buying at current prices isn't really a problem if we reached $1000 in a slow but far more sustainable manner, but right now it's far too tricky if you ask me.

It doesn't take much for the market to turn into a massive panic sellers hurricane as they take FUD for granted so easily. And then I haven't even mentioned another possible hack.

Bitcoiners have grown up a bit since then though, haven't they? DDOS attacks on the exchanges are no longer enough to make the price tank. There are a lot more exchanges and people are a lot more careful. There is still a risk that an exchange hack, where people lose their coins, will tank the price. But hopefully people are careful now not to store money in the exchanges anymore.
3910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Damn, timing always goes wrong with me. on: January 03, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
You still made a good profit. The only thing you can bank on are actual profits. Hypotheticals arn't worth anything. What if you hadn't sold and the price had tanked? You'd have been doing another "Damn, timing goes wrong for me" post.

At the end of the day just look at the actual profit made and forget what happens to the price after you have sold.
3911  Economy / Economics / Re: The Future of Bitcoin Is Not as a Digital Currency on: January 03, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
What is happening here is that middle men like Circle have found that there is no use for their services. If bitcoin takes off, people will be using bitcoin directly, so no need for an interface in the middle.
3912  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 8th Birthday Bitcoin on: January 03, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
You know, it seems much shorter than eight years. I guess because the mainstream still hasn't got into it. Still adoption is faster than that of the internet when it was launched, so we are on schedule.
3913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Very little Press Coverage of Bitcoin's Rally this time on: January 03, 2017, 03:02:43 PM
The BBC are now covering it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38495804

Though they made sure to point out the way it collapsed after 2013 and mentioned that analysts questioned whether bitcoin would last!
3914  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: January 03, 2017, 02:55:55 PM
Obviously it's not.

The thing to keep in mind though is that bitcoin is fundamentally broken at protocol level. It doesn't scale and has no regard for users privacy or anonymity.

Current prices are the result of hype and internal exchange whale manipulation. Just look at the market depth, there is no support till around $500.

there will be a fork to 2mb to solve momentarily the scale problem, and anyway it's more anonymous than using fiat, and you always have zcash/monero if not satisfied



Nothing is as anonymous as cash in small bills. However if there are moves to ban cash, then watch as bitcoin jumps - what is happening in India is a small taster.

Other events to watch for this year:

1. Deutsche Bank is still in a very unstable condition, the German govt is actually lobbying Basel III to REDUCE capital requirements because they know Deutsche will fail the current proposals. If Deutsche blows up, we're looking at a Lehman style bust - though unlike in 2008, all the other banks are aware of the danger and are hurriedly reducing their exposure to DB.

2. The elections in the Netherlands, France and Germany this year. France in particular is key - if they vote for Le Pen, the euro and EU are over. Watch for a scramble into safe havens, the dollar, the pound, the swiss franc and of course bitcoin.

3. Italy and Greece making a unilateral exit from the euro. They won't announce this in advance, it will just happen one weekend. They'll announce it on a Friday night and close the banks in the following week, and euros will be swapped into lira or drachma and it will be done. The new currencies will likely be WEAKER than the euro, so the only way for people to protect themselves is to move money into bitcoin before the change. Afterwards is too late because their new money won't buy as much bitcoin.
3915  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: January 02, 2017, 11:07:59 PM


The thing to keep in mind though is that bitcoin is fundamentally broken at protocol level. It doesn't scale and has no regard for users privacy or anonymity.



True - but the attention bitcoin is attracting might make some people have a look at alts. That happened in 2013 too - new blood came into cryptocurrency and they started to look for undervalued alts just in case they were the next big thing, and all the alts soared on the back of it. Of course when mtgox collapsed and bitcoin collapsed as a result, the alts fell too and people panicked across the board.
3916  Economy / Speculation / Re: is 2017 the new 2013? on: January 02, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
2013 was powered by the eurozone crises. First the Greek problem, and then the Cyprus problem where they confiscated people's savings to bail out the banks.

At the moment there is a crisis in India (notes being withdrawn). Venezuela is also in a crisis, but it is too late for them, their money is already worthless so that can't actually buy any bitcoin with it.

I guess it depends on whether another crisis suddenly materialises.
3917  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "We got hacked" coming ! on: January 02, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
I think most the big exchanges already put high security and all their bitcoins in cold storage

You would think this, but the hacks have happened practically every six months since bitcoin launched.

The only exchange with insurance is coinbase. It would really stabalise the system if all the other exchanges got some insurance too - that way people would have confidence that they wouldn't lose money just because the exchange got sloppy with security.
3918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple releases 333 million more Tokens on: January 02, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
Does anyone actually use Ripple? It's been around for so long, but there doesn't seem to be any community around it, not an eco-system of people using it.
3919  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Swiss account holders will need a new store of value... on: January 02, 2017, 04:56:16 PM
Bitcoin isn't really anonymous though, it is pseudonymous. It only works as tax haven if the holder is super-discreet and doesn't trip various wires, like selling a lot in one go.
3920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Longest period of time with Bitcoin over $800 ever! on: January 02, 2017, 04:53:42 PM
Could someone tell me please that what price is still considered profitable with electricity cost of $0.07 KWH? then I will tell if the above $800 is going to maintain from now on or not, if we stay in above $800 range for more than 2 weeks then the price will remain and will increase from there forward.
I just wish that first 3 big miners avoid dumping more than 100 bitcoins from their long term stashed coins because that's when price starts to dump.

I think the Chinese miners are getting cheap/free electricity, so they're being subsidized by the Chinese state. If the electricity prices ever rose, I expect mining would move somewhere else.
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