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3921  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 09:36:58 PM
Just like most around here now, you too dream of yourself rich as Satoshi yet there is no good reason why something like that should
happen. That is a problem because in order to compensate for lack of knowledge and skills you and alikes will, in order to eventualy
become rich out of cryptocoins, go for different tactics which inevitably include licking asses of people who are supposed to be kicked
in the ass by this whole deal.
3922  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 09:23:34 PM
People like you, obviously. A bit too many of you lately and seemingly increasing in numbers makes me a bit preventively aggressive.
As time goes by the more and more of your kind are coming to this forum and into cryptocoins and all that can nothing but disturb
any true cryptocoiner, people who value the whole deal because of a few more things beside a mere profit.
3923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
I think doubling the value would be a bad idea, personally. 500k was perfect. Doubling it essentially decreases the value of each coin by half. I'm still in favour of 500,000 coins. It just sounds good. Keeping the borked coins would be a horrible reminder to be honest. It vastly messes up the distribution. I got a crazy amount in the office at work. When I saw them today I had to laugh. It makes my stake almost worthless, which I felt had value when I could distribute it, and give it to others. It also completely changes the concept of tx fee mining. It's not really very fair on those of us that supported Premine from the start and stuck with it.

Prime example of person threatened to lose a part of wealth being focused on his wealth and his wealth only. Let me guess, you had
a chat with Jesus lately and he too is for 500k coins only? Ohh and please explain how "I got a crazy amount in the office at work" and
"It makes my stake almost worthless" actualy works. I just can't figure out how having 10k coins out of 500k is better than having 250k
coins out of 1M.

It is funny to what extent most of you are ready to go to mask the truth instead of just admiting you are here for a profit and profit only.
I live for a day when people will be sincere and have balls to protect what they see valuable without using politically correct jibberish.
For example, I already know that if I come to you right now and kick you hard that you would give me all your PMC or whatever else. So,
a guy wasting his time and putting so much effort into attempting to prevent a loss of what he could lose very easy anyway, hmmm ...

Just thinking aloud and ranting a bit, pay no attention.  Grin

Can we have fixed client please? Every time I look at my PMC wallet I feel an urge to check the prices and availability of new yachts!

3924  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Hrvatski (Croatian) on: January 30, 2014, 07:17:02 PM
Tebi treba crypto for dummies, i malo bolji odgoj.

Kada ti bude dolje pisalo "Trenutno dostupna sredstva :  > 100,000 $ (Osvjezeno stanje 29.01.2014)" onda mozemo pricati o tome
sta i kako, do tada kopaj precjenjene coine i nadaj se da ces se obogatiti jednog dana. BTC, LTC, PPC i ostali crypto multimilioneri
su ljudi koji su 1. kopali te coine dok je difficulty bio nizak ili 2. kupovali te coine dok je difficulty bio nizak I CUVALI VECINU AKO NE
SVE DO DANASNJIH DANA ali ne, nemojte vi to copy / paste vec kopaj gdje je difficulty najveci ... mislim jasno je meni da je vecina
debilna ali brate NECU VISE DA VAS SLUSAM OVDJE I NA SVIM OSTALIM BALKAN FORUMIMA, FURAJTE NA SKYPE PA TAMO KENJAJTE
KOLIKO VAS JE VOLJA O KOPANJU I OSTALIM RETARD TEMAMA KOJIMA STE SE I DOVELI U SITUACIJU DA VAM MOZAK RADI NA 5% I
DA SE ZADOVOLJAVATE SA SITNIM PARAMA! Od stotine+ nacina na koje ljudi od cryptocoina zaradjuju velike pare tu na HR sekciji se
ne prica NI O JEDNOM ali se zato do besvijesti razglaba o kopanju ... vi ste sebi izgleda JAKO bitni sa tim kopanjem ali sa strane to
izgleda jadno kao sto i HR izgleda jadno gledano iz vana jer su najglasniji likovi poput vas. Ali to je nebitno, zaradilo se za burek i
jogurt i eventualno impresioniralo lokalnu ekipu sa upucenoscu u hi-tech. Ili se nagrecalo para za novi auto ali se nema za jogurt a
kamoli za burek ili oboje. U biti se nema vremena ni za burek i jogurt niti novi auto jer treba paziti na GPUe, "evo ga novi driver ajd'
da reinstaliram" i tako to ... jebena 2014. je a vi ste zakucani u 2010. i uopce NEMA NADE da cete ikada izaci iz tih vasih rudnika, ma
smijesno i za plakanje u isto vrijeme! Od svih u HR koji se bave cryptocoinima jedine osobe s kojima bi imalo smisla popiti pivu su
decki iz BitKonana, ovo ostalo maaaaaaaaaajko mila sto bi rekao Pervan ...

TLDR - Tko je glup ne budi mu drug!

Pošto ti PMC? O magu veliki! Tipu je precijenjeno sve šta on nemože sebi priuštiti, a tehnički izgleda da mu ne ide i naravno tipčna hr priča vrijeđanje. Malo je zakasnio za ono što bi on htio čini mi se.

Zakasnio sam na jednu stvar a to je vidjeti debile kao sto si ti kako kopaju BTC davne 2011. i dumpaju ih po cijeni od par dolara.
Mora biti da je jeben feeling biti svjestan da si popusio desetine miliona dolara ... i ne opametiti se vec nastaviti istim putem a uz
to sve educirati mlade narastaje da rade isto i samo to isto e to je buraz vrhunac debilane, congratz!

1LXLaKiWgKnrDmNkFXMREG3WStWpd91xG7
2012-01-02 08:29:59 do 2014-01-03 10:11:34
Total Received    529.80455796 BTC
Final Balance    0 BTC <--- toliko si pametan, a to da godinama koristis istu javnu adresu o tome bi se dalo nasiroko i naduboko.
3925  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 06:05:17 PM
Because 100% distribution of coins on blockchain 1 failed, that's why.
3926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 05:51:59 PM
I don't think anyone for one second thought we were going to let the new coins exist. I assumed right away they would be invalid.

500k coins. That's all there is and ever will be.  Smiley

You are again misunderstanding how decentralized coins work. You, developer and whoever else think like you are nothing but
people voting for blockchain 1 (500k coins). Some other people might be fine with continuing on blockchain 2 (1M+ coins) and
no one can prevent those other people from mining their blockchain or even dethroning blockchain 1. If someone manages to
bribe MtGox or Cryptsy to add blockchain 2 instead of 1 then blockchain 2 will have advantage over blockchain 1. In other words,
do not fool yourself and others into thinking majority wins or that having just 500k coins is definitely a better option. Just like
hype over DOGE made it uber cryptocoin in many areas, in same or similar fashion blockchain 2 could become the next big thing!

Second blockchain will live for as long as at least 2 nodes are on it and 1 of them is mining. It is the genius of cryptocoins, all
work is done by machines and humans are there just to eventualy manage and service those machines.
3927  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 01:15:33 AM
Fuck it, let's keep it this way ... just change coin name to Looper  Cheesy

It's late here, I'm off to bed.
3928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 01:00:20 AM
Still it is unclear why PMC went crazy exactly on block 16,000
3929  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 12:50:32 AM
One thing with PMC that is definitely bugged is the way blocks that generated 0 coins 0 tx fees are shown in wallet. They
never confirm! The first such block I've mined still uses clock icon instead of checkmark even after 5,000+ confirms. It could
be it is up to icon itself but than again blocks that had tx fees are shown properly. Obviously, client treats blocks differently
based on tx fees alone or based on both number of generated coins and tx fees. I can't figure out if number of generated
coins matter at all since all already confirmed blocks generated 0 coins and new ones which generated 1k coins are not yet
confirmed. If first 1k coins block becomes confirmed after 120 blocks total I'll update the status (11 blocks to go).

Is there some counter added to code that checks number of confirmed blocks and then based on the result enables or disables
generation of new coins regardless of how many coins were already generated?

New blocks that generated 1k coins are confirmed after 120 blocks so conclusion is that at least on my computer blocks that
did not generated coins and does not have tx fees are treated differently than other blocks. In other words, if block generated
coins or had tx fees or generated coins and had tx fees they are fine else they are not fine. Totally weird ...
3930  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 12:46:29 AM
Weird thing on block explorer are coin days destroyed for some blocks after PMC was started. For some reason some blocks
have 1.42109e-14% while some others have -1.42109e-14% instead of 0 days. At the time block is generated no coins are
destroyed so all those blocks should have 0 days destroyed.

http://cryptexplorer.com/chain/Premine?hi=499&count=500 <--- Genesis block and blocks up to 499
3931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 12:42:47 AM
On the bug:

Blocks started generating 500 coins so the same pattern as seen once PMC was started is occuring. Next will be 250 coins.

Genesis block (000) = 0.00000001 coins
001 to 249 = 1k coins
250 to 499 = 500 coins
500 to 749 = 250 coins
Etc.
3932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 12:27:10 AM
Everything to do with PMC is frozen on Poloniex at the moment. I assume I cannot allow withdrawals because of the fork issue. Is this assumption correct?

Better rollback all trades unless you can determine which coins are generated before and after 1k coins blocks. All coins that
existed before incident are fine, asuming hard-fork to fix the issue will start at point (block height) before incident occured.
3933  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 30, 2014, 12:19:06 AM
that didn't happen until this incident. they were all checked until block 16000 came

Not for me. 16,243 blocks now and first I mined that is still not confirmed has 5,111 confirmations so it is block 11,132

I have edited previous post a bit so check it out on previous page.
3934  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 11:50:47 PM
One thing with PMC that is definitely bugged is the way blocks that generated 0 coins 0 tx fees are shown in wallet. They
never confirm! The first such block I've mined still uses clock icon instead of checkmark even after 5,000+ confirms. It could
be it is up to icon itself but than again blocks that had tx fees are shown properly. Obviously, client treats blocks differently
based on tx fees alone or based on both number of generated coins and tx fees. I can't figure out if number of generated
coins matter at all since all already confirmed blocks generated 0 coins and new ones which generated 1k coins are not yet
confirmed. If first 1k coins block becomes confirmed after 120 blocks total I'll update the status (11 blocks to go).

Is there some counter added to code that checks number of confirmed blocks and then based on the result enables or disables
generation of new coins regardless of how many coins were already generated?
3935  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
Block that does not follow rules is discarded and client that submitted it is banned by all legit nodes that received block from
it for the next 24 hours. Given that I'm mining 1k coins blocks and not one of 8 other clients I'm connected to are banning me
it seems the case is clear ... there is something wrong with the code starting with first ever client posted on this thread. On
a first look, PMC is not actualy premined in genesis block but actualy instamined in first few thousand blocks. That means it
worked just like any other coin that will one day stop generating new coins but generation period is radically shorter than most
other coins. Maybe that is where things went wrong but where in the code something went wrong I can't tell, I'm not coder!
3936  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Proof that you guys have no clue what you are talking about is bellow.

https://i.imgur.com/pTUp53R.jpg

Understand that I have been beta-testing not just Bitcoin clients but also Armory, MultiBit and dozen of crypto websites.
I'm also active on Bitcoin Testnet and helping debug and break-to-bits stuff a lot here and elsewhere.

I have the exact same evidence you have in that screenshot, the thing some people fail to understand here, and I have already mentioned this a couple of times is, that whatever a 51 % attacker might be able to do, he can not make your client and my client generate 1000 coins per block, that is the bottom line. The cause has to be within the code of our clients, so it must be a bug.

Exactly.
3937  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Proof that you guys have no clue what you are talking about is bellow.

https://i.imgur.com/pTUp53R.jpg

Understand that I have been beta-testing not just Bitcoin clients but also Armory, MultiBit and dozen of crypto websites.
I'm also active on Bitcoin Testnet and helping debug and break-to-bits stuff a lot here and elsewhere.
3938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
I wish I understood the tech aspects better.  Cry

Yep, could someone explain it for dummys?

Someone with a better miner than everyone else together changed the rules of the game at will.

That is not possible. 51% attacker can not affect coin generation in any way except increase inflation via added hashpower.
If clients we use all have coded rule which says "generate no more coins if 500,000 coins exist" than no one can generate
any more coins that would be accepted by our clients. It makes no difference at all how much hashpower is in question.
3939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 10:25:09 PM
Anybody that is running 0.8.7 please shut it down.


I'm using v0.8.6-11-g03733a0-dirty-beta and getting 1k coins per block so it is probably not about 0.8.7  Undecided
3940  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 29, 2014, 10:20:12 PM
Shall we start to panic and sacrifice something ?

For everyone that decides that it is time to panic and abort all hope: 1K7i8PYixVmJxPwh6AJbvBa77a2xXGyn5V

Now that's the spirit, congratz to both of you!  Cheesy
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