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3921  Other / Politics & Society / 87 dead after crane collapses at world’s holiest mosque in Mecca on: September 11, 2015, 06:53:32 PM



At least 87 people have died after a crane collapsed on the Grand Mosque of Mecca on Friday, Saudi authorities say.
According to Saudi Interior Ministry, at least 184 more people were injured in the incident.

The tragedy comes ahead of the annual Hajj pilgrimage which is due later this month. Millions of Muslims from around the world will converge on the holy city between September 21-26.

Local media reports suggested that the accident occurred due to heavy rains the Kingdom. The governor of the Makkah region, the capital of which is Mecca, Prince Khalid al-Faisal has ordered the launch of an investigation into the causes of the accident.

Photos taken from the scene and posted on social media show bodies lying in blood on the mosque’s floor surrounded by construction rubble and metal parts of the crane.


http://www.rt.com/news/315082-crane-collapses-mecca-mosque/


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S.A.'s 9/11?


3922  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: September 11, 2015, 06:46:47 PM



Liberal Virginia Governor Brings Armed Security Guard to DC For Anti-Gun Rally






[...]
A few things. First off, McAuliffe's claim that people "can be armed" while we were standing on the Capitol grounds in Washington D.C. is false. It is nearly impossible for law abiding civilians to be legally armed in Washington D.C. and it is illegal for them to be armed at the Capitol (even if they go "through a background check" as McAuliffe advises). Second, during his speech at the event McAuliffe claimed that booths at gun shows openly advertise with signs that say "no background check." When I asked which gun show he was referring to, he couldn't give a specific answer. And finally, McAuliffe implied during his speech that background checks are non-existent in Virginia, when in fact firearms purchases not only require two forms of identification, but lengthy ATF paperwork and a background check with the FBI. Further, he cites the gun show "loophole" myth, which has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked.

I should also note that McAuliffe isn't the only Everytown supporter who shows up to anti-gun events with armed security. Shannon Watts, founder of Bloomberg's Moms Demand Action, showed up the the NRA annual meeting in 2014 with armed security (they also pushed conservative Dana Loesch out of the way when she dared to ask a  question). She regularly brings armed security to her anti-gun events.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/11/virginia-governor-brings-armed-body-guard-to-dc-for-antigun-rally-n2050557?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall


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hypocrite much?


3923  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: September 11, 2015, 06:11:32 PM



Bump!

God still not dead.


 Smiley




Graham Hancock, journalist turned archaeologist, has shown that about 12,500 years ago there was a society on earth that was worldwide, and scientifically advanced beyond ours in some ways. Simply Youtube search and watch Mr. Hancock's videos to see the evidence all over the world.

I don't necessarily agree with the timing that Mr. Hancock suggests, but the point is, if theistic religion were going to fail off the earth, it would have happened long ago.

God will NEVER die. Not even in the minds of the people.

Smiley


Ayahuasca – the Vine of Souls

 Smiley






Ayahuasca might be spiritual, but without Jesus, it is useless at best, and deadly for the soul at worst. One of the faults of Graham Hancock... not that his former use of marijuana was any less dangerous.

Smiley


Ayahuasca told him to stop weed...

 Smiley

3924  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked - To Please President on: September 11, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
America altering the facts to suit their agenda? What's new?


A new post under "Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked - To Please President" asking what's new?

3925  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Breaking News! European Refugee Crisis Resolved! on: September 11, 2015, 05:49:25 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-offers-germany-200-mosques--one-for-every-100-refugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

During the past 7 days, some 20,000 Muslim "refugees" have arrived in Germany. The main issue which these refugees are facing right now is that they can't find enough mosques in Germany, to offer prayer services. And His Highness Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud has resolved this issue, by promising to build 200 new mosques in Germany, to offer services to these "refugees".

In the next 3 months, Germany is expected to receive up to 800,000 "refugees". So we can expect His Highness Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud to build 8,000 new mosques, for these poor "refugees".

And it must be remembered that in the past 3 years, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has granted refugee status to a total of nine refugees from Syria (out of a total of 13 applications). The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has praised the efforts by the Kingdom, to provide safe shelter for the poor Syrian refugees.






3926  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: September 11, 2015, 05:40:52 PM



Bump!

God still not dead.


 Smiley




Graham Hancock, journalist turned archaeologist, has shown that about 12,500 years ago there was a society on earth that was worldwide, and scientifically advanced beyond ours in some ways. Simply Youtube search and watch Mr. Hancock's videos to see the evidence all over the world.

I don't necessarily agree with the timing that Mr. Hancock suggests, but the point is, if theistic religion were going to fail off the earth, it would have happened long ago.

God will NEVER die. Not even in the minds of the people.

Smiley


Ayahuasca – the Vine of Souls

 Smiley




3927  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: September 11, 2015, 03:41:08 PM



Office Depot Refuses To Print Flyers Providing Criticism Of Planned Parenthood




Office Depot may face a lawsuit after refusing to print flyers that criticize Planned Parenthood, saying the flyers “persecute” people who believe in abortion rights.

Maria Goldstein, 42, of Illinois asked Office Depot on Aug. 20 to print 500 anti-Planned Parenthood fliers, but the employee refused. The flier had facts about Planned Parenthood from the organization’s annual report as well as a prayer calling for the “conversion” and “enlightenment” of those who support the organization.

“When I tell people they’re shocked because this is America,” Goldstein told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Office Depot is trying to silence my freedom of speech and my freedom of religion.”

The employee at the Office Depot refused, citing corporate policy. Goldstein teamed up with the religious liberty group the Thomas More Society and sent a letter to Office Depot demanding they stop discriminating against Goldstein because of her religious beliefs.

Goldstein told TheDCNF they haven’t heard back from the company, but an Office Depot spokeswoman told the Chicago Tribune they refused to print them because the flyers amounted to “persecution.”

“The flier contained material that advocates the persecution of people who support abortion rights,” Office Depot spokeswoman Karen Denning said.


Tom Olp, a lawyer with the Thomas More Society, said if Office Depot does not comply they will file a legal complaint.

“This seems crazy,” Olp told TheDCNF. “To say that a prayer that calls for conversion and understanding and enlightenment is persecution, to call that persecution to me is the height of intolerance.”

Read the entire flyer here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/280087350/planned-parenthood-fact-sheet-and-prayer



http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/10/office-depot-refuses-to-print-anti-planned-parenthood-flyers/


3928  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: September 11, 2015, 03:32:56 PM



Bump!

God still not dead.


 Smiley


3929  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked - To Please President on: September 11, 2015, 03:19:51 PM
TL:DR; US foreign intelligence and central intelligence are still struggling to report the truth to each other and the American People. This first became an issue preceding the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, we shall never forget.


TL:DR; 50 spies are tired of this BS this time...


3930  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why does the left care more about Islamophobia than anti-Semitism? on: September 11, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
There are nearly 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, yet only 15 million Jews. Why should issues that only 15 million people face be as important as issues that 1.6 billion people face?

Well, maybe we should look at why we have Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. Most anti-Semitism seems to be the result of Israel defending themselves and general jealously (due to the Jewish people's economic prowess)  over the years. The ability for a group of people to blame the Jewish people for all their problems transcends generations and continues on to the current day.

On the other hand, Islamophobia is caused by planes that crash into tall buildings, suicide bombings, car and truck bombs, and the war on America and American values that many Muslims support. Radical Muslims are not as rare as you might think. How could anyone support a religion with such disgusting views and actions? The politically correct view is that almost everyone is a "good person", but how could someone be both a "good person" and support killing females for "dishonoring" their families, executing homosexuals for being homosexual, bombings of civilians, etc.? Heck, most Muslims have "mixed feelings" about Bin Laden - I mean, what the hell?!? "Mixed feelings"!?!?!??!!!

Jewish people tend to be too "politically-altruistic" for my taste. Always sympathizing with African-Americans, Muslims, Hispanics, etc. instead of worrying about themselves. I guess that plays a role in why the media views anti-Semitism as an afterthought - it simply doesn't sell papers they way racism towards blacks and Muslims can. It's too bad most Jews are so far left - the left is right about a lot of social issues, but the whole politically correct act of being pro-Muslim is contradicting itself when you have Muslims preventing women from driving a car or going to school. In many ways, Islamophobia is justified.

Interestingly, one of the only countries that makes a big deal out of anti-Semitism is Germany. Go figure.


Jews have been blamed for all the plagues that hit europe, way before the creation of the state of israel... But yes, it is a mystery why american jews support 0bama and the iran deal for example...


3931  Other / Politics & Society / Why does the left care more about Islamophobia than anti-Semitism? on: September 11, 2015, 04:03:29 AM





Why do leftists care more about Muslims than they do about Jews? If that sounds confrontational, consider this: this week, the Met Police released the latest hate-crime figures for London. They show that offences against Jews have risen by 93% over the past year, while offences against Muslims have risen by 70%. And guess which story the BBC, Guardian and Independent, those voices of the British liberal conscience, have chosen to flag up? Yep, the 70% hike in Islamophobic attacks, not the nearly 100% hike in anti-Semitic offences.

The BBC’s headline is ‘Islamophobic crime in London “up by 70%”‘. The Guardian‘s is ‘Hate crimes against Muslims soar in London’. The Indie opts for ‘Hate crimes against Muslims in London “up by 70%”‘. What about the crimes against Jews? Sorry, no room for those. They aren’t mentioned. Whether as a result of how the cops chose to press-release their new figures or how editors chose to interpret them, or maybe a bit of both, someone down the line has taken the decision that a bashed-up or verbally abused Muslim is more newsworthy than a bashed-up or verbally abused Jew.

This is becoming increasingly common. For some reason, so-called progressives, especially those of a leftist bent, are made more upset by hatred of Muslims than they are by hatred of Jews. It’s why the very people – Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Diane Abbott, every leftie on Twitter – who normally rail against racism, and against the people who rub shoulders with racists, could in essence say ‘What’s all the fuss?!’ when it was revealed Jeremy Corbyn had been hanging out with Holocaust deniers.

It’s why every bovine attack on a mosque is held up as hard evidence that Europe is descending into a cesspool of anti-Muslim hatred, whereas you have to scour the media to find mentions of attacks on synagogues. In recent days, a Manchester teen was beaten up in a suspected anti-Semitic assault; a Jewish Spanish teenager was physically attacked; and two Holocaust survivors in Amsterdam were assaulted and called ‘dirty Jews’. Yet these incidents aren’t frontpage news; certainly they aren’t cited as evidence that a new plague of prejudice is stalking Europe, as is done when Muslims are assaulted. The message of this double standard, however implicit it might be, is pretty clear: attacks on Jews are less important than attacks on Muslims.

The extent to which chattering-class concern for Muslims trumps concern for Jews reached its nadir when four Jews were murdered in a Parisian deli shortly after the massacre at Charlie Hebdo. Pretty much every liberal newspaper in Europe continued thundering on about the potential for an ‘Islamophobic backlash’ following the Charlie killings, even as Jews were being killed. On the morning the four dead Jews were being put on a flight for burial in Israel, George Clooney was telling fawning hacks how worried he was about ‘anti-Muslim fervour’ in Europe. It’s surreal. Some people seem more worried about possible attacks on Muslims than by actual attacks on Jews.

And now, a hike in anti-Muslim crimes in London is given greater media prominence than a larger hike in anti-Jewish attacks. This implicit demotion of Jewish problems, this judgement that crimes against Jews aren’t all that serious, needs some explanation. I think there are two reasons for it.

The first is that flagging up attacks on Muslims allows the left to indulge some prejudices of their own, especially about the dumb, tabloid-reading hordes, whom they view as being one iffy Richard Littlejohn column away from organising a demented anti-Muslim pogrom. The liberal elite’s myopic focus on Islamophobia is really an expression of distrust for the insufficiently multicultural, apparently Western-centric masses.

The second reason is that many on the left seem to think anti-Semitism is politically justified. From Karen Armstrong’s insistence that the deli attack in Paris ‘had nothing to do with anti-Semitism’ and rather was ‘about Palestine’ to various commentators’ claims that anti-Semitism in Europe is the inevitable byproduct of Israel’s antics in the Middle East, many very respectable people now view assaults on Jews almost as a form of protest, as political rather than hateful.

That’s the terrifying message of the media and leftists’ implicit downgrading of the seriousness of anti-Semitism. Whether they’re excusing these crimes or simply acquiescing to them, they’re giving a green light to anti-Semitism.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/why-does-the-left-care-more-about-muslims-than-jews/


3932  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “God bless Planned Parenthood” – PP Uses Abortions to Sell Baby Parts on: September 11, 2015, 03:45:05 AM


Rep. Black Discusses Planned Parenthood Battle on MSNBC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcyQtJ_wMA


Tamron Hall: Okay with that said, with this moratorium that you have proposed here on the funding, you and I both know that the Hyde Amendment prevents funds that go to Planned Parenthood to be used for abortion. That has been since 2011. We know that $500 million of government funding, mostly through Medicaid and federal family planning dollars go to subsidize birth control, cancer screenings, and women’s health services. What do you tell those women who will be effected in your moratorium if it goes through – that they will not have some of those services? Those women who are watching right now and see you as a female representative of this country – one of a very few honestly in that city on Capitol Hill – what do you tell those women?

Rep. Black: I’m so glad that you brought this issue up because there are 13,000 different [facilities] that provide these women’s health services across the country. Planned Parenthood puts most of their facilities in urban areas but these facilities would get this money if it doesn’t go to Planned Parenthood . . . health departments, faith-based organizations that provide these women’s services and in many way provide more than Planned Parenthood does. They actually provide mammograms, whereas Planned Parenthood does not provide those. If there’s a problem they have to refer them to these organizations. We did this in the state of Tennessee. We have found that there’s been an increase in the services to women – in preventive services – and the money is not being used for abortion. Which means women are getting more of those services that the money is really meant to give . . . Money is fungible. If you have a building on one side of the wall where you do abortions, on another side of the wall you’re doing women’s health services that are preventive services – the money is fungible. How do you say how the money is being used for the rent, for the gas and electric, and all the services that are being provided within one building? There is definitely a question about how much of that money is being used that goes from one side to the other.

Tamron Hall: And I think my question was though, [can’t] an investigation still take place [and] the resources still be in place while that happens? . . . Why eliminate, even if it’s one option for women, especially those who can’t afford it? Why eliminate even one?

Rep. Black: Because there are good resources out there for these women. We did it in the state of Tennessee and we’ve proven it can be done. As a matter of fact, our health departments – and I was still in the state senate in Tennessee when we did this – our health departments were saying, ‘We have to compete against Planned Parenthood, and it’s too difficult for us to compete.’ But when we were able to defund [Planned Parenthood] these health department folks came back to me and said ‘Thank you for doing this. We can now have more money. We can serve more women. And we can produce even more services to them. So they lose no services and the money is going truly where it needs to go and that is to provide women with good health services. Look, I’m a nurse. I want to make sure women have the services they need and this money can go to these facilities without providing money for abortion.

Tamron Hall: And you feel, as you pointed out, as a nurse – as someone who’s taken a pledge to provide the best healthcare possible, I would imagine, to those in need – again, going back to my question of removing this option . . . Do you understand why people might say … this investigation is not truly one about women’s health, it’s about John Boehner or about the ongoing conservative battle against Planned Parenthood and in the end those who are hurt are American women?

Rep. Black: Let me also go back to the fact that Planned Parenthood has been asked to come before the committee, they have refused to bring the doctors that were seen on these films to the committee. They were talking about how they have to have their lawyers and go through all that. If nothing is being done inappropriately, why is Ms. Richards not saying ‘I want to come before these committees? I want to be there.’ They’ve been invited, they will be invited again and I hope that they will show up to defend what is going on. And by the way, I’ve seen these films in total, they are not cut and paste. You can go and watch them and you can see that they are not a cut and paste, they are a full picture of the veil being broken of what’s going on behind those closed doors where fetal tissue is being harvested for a profit by Planned Parenthood.



3933  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 11, 2015, 03:39:54 AM
Yes, she is very trustworthy but most of the younger folks don't know the real life - yet grow up and look again.  She worked 35 years as a rep and also she founded the children left behind long ago. she started it and she was an investigator in watergate and also done her duty as first lady.



Clinton Campaign: “Whatever you can get away with just do it”




Hidden cameras capture Clinton campaign staff in Nevada not only skirting election law but mocking it.

Christina Gupana, a Hillary campaign worker and Las Vegas attorney: is caught by Project Veritas Action journalists advising her fellow campaign workers to “do whatever you can, whatever you can get away with just do it.”



An undercover video published Thursday by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas purports to show Nevada-based Hillary Clinton campaign staffers and volunteers ignoring and knowingly violating Nevada’s voter registration laws. Moreover, the video appears to show that this conduct is being condoned and encouraged by a local attorney who works for the Clinton campaign.

According to the video, it is a felony in the state of Nevada for anyone involved in the voter registration process to “solicit a vote for or against a particular question or candidate; speak to a voter on the subject of marking his or her ballot for or against a particular question or candidate.” 

The video appears to show that numerous Hillary Clinton campaign staffers are well aware of the law. Nevertheless, the video shows them laughing at the law and repeatedly bragging about violating it by promoting Hillary Clinton verbally and with campaign literature as they attempt to register potential voters.

The Project Veritas video further appears to show that the Clinton campaign staff solicits voter registration in close proximity to state offices, which may also violate Nevada law

According to the video, when the attorney in question, identified as Christina Gupana, was told about this alleged lawbreaking, she advised the staffers to, “Do whatever you can. Whatever you can get away with, just do it, until you get kicked out like totally.”

More than one staffer says that the campaign’s motto towards these laws is “Ask for forgiveness, not for permission.”


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/okeefe-strikes-again-undercover-video-purports-to-show-hillary-campaign-violating-election-law/


3934  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 11, 2015, 12:55:50 AM
Yes, she is very trustworthy but most of the younger folks don't know the real life - yet grow up and look again.  She worked 35 years as a rep and also she founded the children left behind long ago. she started it and she was an investigator in watergate and also done her duty as first lady.


The Clinton Campaign Is Literally Collapsing




"Shake shake shake shake.. Shake it out!..." Boom!
 Cheesy Grin Cheesy


3935  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Can you tell me, who is Trump? on: September 10, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
i really want to know who really is Donald Trump?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1135598.0


3936  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 10, 2015, 09:14:06 PM



CNN poll puts Trump at 32%, up eight points in a month


Say what you will — Donald Trump certainly does, and it’s still paying off. A new CNN poll shows Trump’s star still rising, up eight points in a month to go to 32%. His nearest rival, Ben Carson, has gained more ground in that time, 10 point, but still has a 13-point deficit in trailing Trump at 19%. No one else makes double digits in the new poll:


Donald Trump has become the first Republican presidential candidate to top 30% support in the race for the Republican nomination, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll, which finds the businessman pulling well away from the rest of the GOP field.

Trump gained 8 points since August to land at 32% support, and has nearly tripled his support since just after he launched his campaign in June. The new poll finds former neurosurgeon Ben Carson rising 10 points to land in second place with 19%. Together, these two non-politicians now hold the support of a majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, and separately, both are significantly ahead of all other competitors.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush stands in third place with 9%, down 4 points since August, and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz holds fourth place with 7%. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker follow at 5%, with all other candidates at 3% or less, including Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who notched the only other statistically significant shift in the poll by falling 5 points since August.



Walker dropped from 8% to 5% in the past month, which is within the MoE but clearly not going in the right direction. Fiorina remained relatively unchanged at 3%, which puts her ahead (nominally, anyway) of Chris Christie and John Kasich at 2%, and Bobby Jindal in a crowd at 1% or less. Fiorina gets listed seventh on this poll, and seems on track to participate in the main-stage debate next week on CNN. That should make for an interesting moment or two, considering Trump’s remarks about Fiorina’s appearance, and CNN must be licking its chops at the potential.

The second-choice question works out similarly, although with different numbers. Trump and Carson are virtually tied, 18/16 respectively, with Bush coming in third at 10%. Fiorina jumps up to fourth place with 8%, passing Cruz and Rubio at 7% in a tie. Walker trails badly on this measure too, coming in behind Christie and Mike Huckabee, both of whom get 5% to Walker’s 3%.

Right now, the enthusiasm is with the two front-runners. In a small sample of registered Republican voters (307 respondents), Trump and Carson are the only two GOP candidates to register over 21% for “enthusiastic.” In fact, Carson actually edges Trump on this measure, 43/40, and a little more substantially in “Satisfied but not enthusiastic,” 33/27. Trump gets 19% on “upset,” the second-worst rating in the poll after … Jeb Bush, who gets 21%.

Finally, the issue responses from the whole sample are worth noting. The leading “extremely important” responses on issues are the economy (52%), Social Security/Medicare (50%), and terrorism (49%), with education and health care tied for a close fourth (47%). Illegal immigration doesn’t get to 40%, and neither do foreign policy, taxes, abortion, or income inequality. Global warming comes in dead last at 23%. Keep this in mind when it comes to messaging in the primaries, and especially in the general election.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/10/cnn-poll-puts-trump-at-32-up-eight-points-in-a-month/


3937  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Can you tell me, who is Trump? on: September 10, 2015, 09:10:29 PM


Latino businesses are booming thanks to Trump and he is not even president yet...

 Grin


3938  Other / Politics & Society / Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked - To Please President on: September 10, 2015, 09:08:08 PM






It’s being called a ‘revolt’ by intelligence pros who are paid to give their honest assessment of the ISIS war—but are instead seeing their reports turned into happy talk.
More than 50 intelligence analysts working out of the U.S. military’s Central Command have formally complained that their reports on ISIS and al Qaeda’s branch in Syria were being inappropriately altered by senior officials, The Daily Beast has learned.

The complaints spurred the Pentagon’s inspector general to open an investigation into the alleged manipulation of intelligence. The fact that so many people complained suggests there are deep-rooted, systemic problems in how the U.S. military command charged with the war against the self-proclaimed Islamic State assesses intelligence.

“The cancer was within the senior level of the intelligence command,” one defense official said.

Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.

That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.


The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003.

The two signatories to the complaint were described as the ones formally lodging it, and the additional analysts are willing and able to back up the substance of the allegations with concrete examples.

Some of those CENTCOM analysts described the sizeable cadre of protesting analysts as a “revolt” by intelligence professionals who are paid to give their honest assessment, based on facts, and not to be influenced by national-level policy. The analysts have accused senior-level leaders, including the director of intelligence and his deputy in CENTCOM, of changing their analyses to be more in line with the Obama administration’s public contention that the fight against ISIS and al Qaeda is making progress. The analysts take a more pessimistic view about how military efforts to destroy the groups are going.

The large number of analysts who complained to the Pentagon inspector general hasn’t been previously reported. Some of them are assigned to work at CENTCOM, the U.S. military’s command for the Middle East and Central Asia, but are officially employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The complaints allege that in some cases key elements of intelligence reports were removed, resulting in a document that didn’t accurately capture the analysts’ conclusions, sources familiar with the protest said. But the complaint also goes beyond alleged altering of reports and accuses some senior leaders at CENTCOM of creating an unprofessional work environment. One person who knows the contents of the written complaint sent to the inspector general said it used the word “Stalinist” to describe the tone set by officials overseeing CENTCOM’s analysis.

Many described a climate in which analysts felt they could not give a candid assessment of the situation in Iraq and Syria. Some felt it was a product of commanders protecting their career advancement by putting the best spin on the war.

Some reports crafted by the analysts that were too negative in their assessment of the war were sent back down the chain of the command or not shared up the chain, several analysts said. Still others, feeling the climate around them, self-censored so their reports affirmed already-held beliefs.

“While we cannot comment on the specific investigation cited in the article, we can speak to the process. The Intelligence Community routinely provides a wide range of subjective assessments related to the current security environment. These products and the analysis that they present are absolutely vital to our efforts, particularly given the incredibly complex nature of the multi-front fights that are ongoing now in Iraq and Syria,” said Air Force Col. Patrick Ryder, U.S. CENTCOM spokesman. “Senior civilian and military leadership consider these assessments during planning and decision-making, along with information gained from various other sources, to include the insights provided by commanders on the ground and other key advisors, intelligence collection assets, and previous experience.”

Two of the officials who spoke to The Daily Beast said that analysts began airing their complaints in October in an effort to address the issue internally and only went to the inspector general when that effort failed. Some of those who complained were urged to retire, one official familiar with the report told The Daily Beast. Some agreed to leave.


In recent months, members of the Obama administration have sought to paint the fight against ISIS in rosy hues—despite the terror army’s seizure of major cities like Mosul and Fallujah.

“ISIS is losing,” John Allen, the retired Marine general charged with coordinating the ISIS campaign, said in July.


“I am confident that over time, we will beat, we will, indeed, degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL,” Secretary of State John Kerry said in March, using the government’s preferred acronym for the group.

“No, I don’t think we’re losing,” President Obama said in May.

Yet a growing group of intelligence analysts persisted with their complaints. For some, who have served at CENTCOM for more than a decade, scars remained from the run-up to the 2003 war in Iraq, when poorly written intelligence reports suggesting Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, when it did not, formed the basis of the George W. Bush administration’s case for war.

“They were frustrated because they didn’t do the right thing then” and speak up about their doubts on Iraq’s weapons program, the defense official told The Daily Beast.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/exclusive-50-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html




3939  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 10, 2015, 08:53:47 PM



State Dept Fails To Turn Over Docs Requested By Fed Judge On Hillary’s Aide, Huma Abedin


WASHINGTON – The State Department has delivered only seven of nearly 70 pages of documents that a federal judge identified as potentially responsive to an Associated Press request for documents relating to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s hiring of longtime aide Huma Abedin as a special government contract staffer.

The department’s response contained only five email documents, two of them partially censored.

Meanwhile, government lawyers asked another federal judge to delay releasing thousands of pages of documents, sought by news media and legal and political organizations, from Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state until January 2016.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/10/state-department-only-turns-over-fraction-requested-documents-about-clinton/?intcmp=hplnws


3940  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: September 10, 2015, 08:44:12 PM



How Climate Change Deniers Sound to Normal People


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBLlksqztg


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