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3941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why are you all so worried ? on: December 09, 2013, 05:49:33 PM
I'm worried because I saw just how closely price on all exchanges follows BTCchina, as if done algorithmically by bots, no matter what the order book looks like. If mtgox had a 20kBTC buy wall and BTCChina went down, then there would be a 20k sell.

We only recovered now because volume on BTCchina suddenly picked back up, I guess because some investors had to complete their ID verification. But this is not a good a reason for recovery. I would have preferred to see us recover WITHOUT China. Now we are still at the mercy of China. Say btcchina closes tomorrow , then it is back down the rabbit hole.

Its another mtgox.
3942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will we see $1200+ this week ? on: December 09, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
This a bull trap...
3943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
The altcoins are booming again. Strange.
The alts always become artificially supressed during immense unexpected btc volatility while people cash out of alts to play or sell btc.  Then when the volatility subsides, they recover, often in an exxagerated manner.
3944  Economy / Speculation / Re: A small history lesson on: December 09, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
I got out at 880 and went all fiat.

Then, then after a few flush-crashes, I was ready to turn in for the night, and decided not to place a buy order at 550: probably the biggest mistake of this year.
Next morning: 650. Someone here write, that 650 is still a good price to get back in. Yeah, I still expect more down movement and place orders at 550-400
Next morning: 750. This time I small trade between 700 and 750, all the time expecting to flush-crash back down, and place staggered orders at 680-550.
Next morning: 850.


Nice pattern observation. I struggled with the exact same thing while I was I was expecting a second wave of capitulation.

Here is another pattern I struggled with on a slightly longer term scale:

First Night: btcchina is at a high of 7500CNY. It's previous high was 7000CNY so it might be breaking out and going to the moon. I'll hold btc.
Next Morning: btcchina has corrected to 5800CNY. I guess I was wrong and there needed to be a second correction.

Second Night: (three nights later): btcchina is at a high 7000CNY. It looks like after a double correction, there will be a breakout after seeing a huge support. I am going to hold btc.
Next Morning: btcchina has seen an epic crash to 4500CNY. There's no way I could have predicted bad news.

Third Night: btcchina is at a high of  6300CNY. That was a very nice recovery. It must have been news induced panic. The bubble cant possible pop  at this point in the chart anyway. After a third correction btc and showing immense suppport btc is going to emerge like a phoenix to break out to the next leg up. I am going to hold btc.
Next Morning: btcchina went down further to 3800CNY causing all markets to have a giant capitulation crash. This is horrible. At least I am able to trade my way out of the loss with the big waves (and I did).

Fourth Night (tonight): btcchina is at a high of 5450CNY. Suddenly volume has picked up and there has been an epic recovery. I wonder what this means? I'm not sure. Is it going to the moon now? Now which position should I go to sleep in?
3945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
So far every time I try to use april to predict things it has been wrong and costed me - starting with "a bubble cant pop here" and ending with "there must be a second capitulation wave here" so I am giving that up and only trading based on TA / EMAs now.
3946  Economy / Speculation / Re: If I Was a Whale (or Do Guardian Whales Exist?) on: December 09, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
3947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2013, 06:06:14 AM
5 Reasons I'm not comfortable keeping my long right now:



1. previous resistance
2. Daily moving average possibly acting as resistance.
3. Downtrend line.
4. 4 hour moving averages.
5. Volume of rise much smaller than volume of drop.

Also.

MACD, PSAR
3948  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2013, 05:51:21 AM
It appears China saved us from the "capitulation phase" happening immediately like in April. Now btcchina is suddenly up and running at full steam... I can't say I feel very comfortable about these conditions though.
3949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2013, 05:38:29 AM
Alright guys I just got off the phone with the bitcoin turbobull. He says the bear market is off and this is his TA for the coming weeks:

3950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 08, 2013, 04:46:30 PM


The 'Chinese Scare' was actually good news guys.

It doesn't feel like it did us much good right now, though!

A few days ago I was sure we would take Gold and then rise to, oooh, y'know 1300 up to 1500 range.

Since then we have dipped below 600 and can't seem to stay over 700.

I have spent all my fiat buying at what seems to be amazing prices compared to a even a week ago.   

Good news would be stability over 800 right now - I would settle for that!

Yes it was surely breaking 1250 and having another leg up with with a solid correction behind it, before the news.  It is very interesting to see how bubble pop dynamics are precisely played out on the chart when the event was actually news driven. I would never have said we were in the "bubble phase" of the rally yet because there were healthy corrections.
3951  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 08, 2013, 04:28:07 PM
I think we're now we're now working on the "arm of death" as the final bulltrap before capitulation.
3952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 08, 2013, 02:14:50 PM


Hey I think I found the bottom.
3953  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 08, 2013, 06:15:56 AM


I'm not sure if I can bring myself to buy big at this moment, but you guys go ahead...
What is this chart saying according to you?  (If I am not mistaken, you've made some pretty good calls so far)
It is a strong downtrend on a 4 hour chart. The two bulltraps look identical. Right now is just like the one before the crash when gox was trading ~$1000. Once we are rejected from the 4 hour moving average, it should begin another high volume capitulation. This should be like the second capitulation drop in april that occured a few days after the crash.

Load the boat at 450-550.
3954  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 08, 2013, 05:30:33 AM


I'm not sure if I can bring myself to buy big at this moment, but you guys go ahead...
3955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 07, 2013, 06:30:36 AM
You guys are ridiculous with with $100, $200, $300, and $350.  The flashcrash never goes below the weekly average and the point of the previous successful daily ema correction, which are now at $400 and $450 respectively.
3956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 10:07:43 PM
I guess my TA about the MACD, PSAR etc was correct after all...
3957  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
We have derailed from the chinese express bullet train and are back on the freight train.

3958  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is looking weak. Recommend you guys take profits soon over $1000. on: December 06, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
If anything it looks pretty strong, i think most people here expected the 1000+ price to be as short-lived as 250$+ back in the day.

$250 in April was a lot different because the price had moved up there very quickly with no corrections and no price history. We were at $265 with a daily EMA of $115 and a weekly EMA of $50. Now we are at $1050 with a daily EMA of $910 and a weekly EMA of $400.

The part where we 'flashcrash' back to EMAs is already over. Any drop now is a slow capitulation grind, with a lowest possible target of $400.
3959  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
Discovering margin trading helped a lot too.  I don't even really have to sell or think about when to sell my core position. I just wait for any kind of a sharp drop and then as soon as high volume support starts kicking in I buy a huge margin position using my btc as collateral. Then as soon as the immediate bounce is over I close the position, take the ~15% profit, and buy more bitcoins to add to my core position. I might not be getting the most profit on the margin position possible but it covers my ass both in event of an uptrend or a downtrend. It's kind of a compromise between buy and hold, since I'm never actually selling any 'real' bitcoins.
3960  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 10:33:37 AM
The daily charts look horrible - EMA violated, MACD down, parabolic sar flipped, RSI below 70. But it looks like perhaps we're still being supported by "choo choo mofo" trendline we've had since day 1 of ATH break. I wonder if this trendline could slowly drive us to ATH? This would probably be the last breakout since that trend would be moving too slow to keep up with any significant higher levels.

Technical people have done absolutely horribly in the past in this forum. I don't know of anyone who has made more bitcoins compared to buy&hold over any extended period of time (even 12 months, which does not prove anything really).

Yes - I mean it: I don't know any technical trader who has not lost money, meaning that all his effort has been in vain and harmful, compared to one who just holds.



I now have 50 times as many bitcoins as I did in April. No deposits. Yes I am up 25,000%.

It might not be due to TA though, but more about quick reactions and having a feeling about the flow the order books are moving in and when they're reversing.
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