MOAR sweet cream of comedy from the lolcows at the rump forum: Gavin Andresen's post got censored "moderated" @ bitcoin-dev mailing list.https://bitco.in/forum/threads/censorship-at-bitcoin-dev.154/I don't even know where to start... what a sadness. TIL the definition of "censorship" is "moderation with which I disagree."  |
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i wonder how this kind of toxic thread can help monero cause ?
i dont think attack and spam other coin will give good result, i sold all my monero when i read some core supporter of this coin launching black campaign against other coin like NXT, VNL, DASH.
Responding to criticism of Dash's developer with criticism of another coin is a logical fallacy. Didn't they teach you about tu quoquo in high school? No? Small wonder you fell prey to the Dash cult programming. It's a danger all you low-information types must avoid! |
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Oh look! It's another anti-Dash circle jerk.
Evan has been invited to show up and give us a Duffsplanation for his shady pump-pump-dump shenanigans. So far, only crickets (and angry cultists whining about tu quoquo). |
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To briefly bring this thread back on topic
DASH price May 2014: $13.50
DASH price today: $2.25
BTC price May 2014: $500
BTC price today: $300
Conveniently leaving out the context. ... Monero What you call "the contest" i.e. Monero, is off topic to this thread. Please try to stay on topic. iCEBREAKER seems capable of that (as far as I can tell every one of his posts here discussed Dash and Bitcoin). Are you? Back on topic: Dash has lost nearly all of its value while Bitcoin is quickly recovering a large portion of the value it lost over a similar time period. Dash is NOT a better alternative to Bitcoin based on market performance, which is often cited by Dash proponents as a measure of its success. And now instead of just leaving out the context editing posts to make the context different that it originally was is approaching forum games I've generally expected from puppets deserving the "Trollero" title. Please don't go there. When iCEBREAKER invested in some coin other than Dash or Bitcoin is totally irrelevant to this thread, so yes, I'm going to trim that irrelevant context. No, you changed the quote to make it out to be the context was Monero, when the context originally was one of the reasons why Icebreaker might be angry towards Dash and also his horrible investing skills which should make everyone consider his opinions on Dash very critically. Everyone should also consider any Dash fanclub member's posts critically as being heavily involved with something can come with biased views (hopefully I didn't steal your reply here).  Wading back on topic, here's some shit you'd never see Bitcoin (much less Monero) core devs pulling. The following has been brought to the attention of the DASH core team several times and has been categorically ignored. Sept 15: Coin's founder begins posting pump/hype statements like "Finally got my money to the exchange" as if inviting the public to take advantage of an opportunity to front-run a bull with insider info.
Sept 16: Coin's founder continues pump/hype with self-serving, faulty TA.
Sept 17: Coin's founder advertises OTC coins for sale, on an ongoing basis, from the coin's official website. Why he's using market rather than OTC buys (which directly benefit his coin) is not disclosed.This summary does not mention specific names, to make it clear that such actions would be outrageous no matter the particular coin/dev involved. |
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Technical Picture. Looks like most of the major longer term up-trend lines have now broken to the down side.  Wow, that doesn't look good at all. And your conclusion is contrary to the DashHole cult's preferred cheer-leading narrative, so they will consider it "spam" and "trolling." I hope they keep talking about how important it is to ignore anyone not waving pom-poms for Dash and Evan Madoffield. "If someone sends you a message to inform you that he doesn't care about what you think, he cares a lot about what you think." - Nassim Taleb There no better way of telling us they care a lot about what we're saying than their constant 'ZOMGAWD IGNOARD' off-topic meta.  |
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The following has been brought to the attention of the DASH core team several times and has been categorically ignored. Here is eduffield posting about how the DASH team have as much DASH for sale as you could possibly want OTC. If you're not interested now, don't worry. You can join the mailing list! our marketing team was looking for other OTC buyers. If you're interested in getting some extra Dash and helping out at the same time, this is a great way to do it. Contact daniel@dashpay.io if you're interested. If you're not interested right now, but you might be in the future please also email daniel@dashpay.io and he will add you to the mailing list. This is going to be the ongoing way expenses are paid for to promote dash. Finally got my money to the exchange  I'm seeing all sorts of stuff happening in the charts all at once, which is a great sign when you see a bunch of bullish formations at once. This is how I used to day trade for my firm back in the day. The general idea here is you go from the shortest time period, then you walk out to the longest. If you see bullish or bearish signals in all of the charts at once, it's quite meaningful.
Now why would he need to buy coins on an exchange at all when by his own admission the DASH team is selling coins OTC ? This is quite a scandal. The appearance of impropriety is overwhelming (and par for the Dash course). Maybe he bought exchange coins instead of OTC to prop the price/volume up? Could you rearrange the OP in chronological order to make it more of a normal timeline? As it is, it may be a bit unclear for those not well-versed in the Dash scam. A TL;DR version is required for the ADHD types. Here, I'll start. Sept 15: Coin's founder begins posting pump/hype statements like "Finally got my money to the exchange" as if inviting the public to take advantage of an opportunity to front-run a bull with insider info.
Sept 16: Coin's founder continues pump/hype with self-serving, faulty TA.
Sept 17: Coin's founder advertises OTC coins for sale, on an ongoing basis, from the coin's official website. Why he's using market rather than OTC buys (which directly benefit his coin) is not disclosed.This summary does not mention specific names, to make it clear that such actions would be outrageous no matter the particular coin/dev involved. |
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[ranting and rambling; paranoid conspiracy theories]
Let's keep this simple. Dash has removed the "No Premine" claim from their [ANN] thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0). CMC should be updated accordingly, otherwise it is making a judgement/claim that the coin's OP does not. Q. E. D. |
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Something is definitely wrong there, but I don't know enough about mining on Windows to suggest what it might be.
Anyone?
Yes, something is borked. How does 1 thread do? Try benchmarking the subsystems to isolate the problem. You might have to update your BIOS, set it to optimized defaults, and reinstall Windoze. |
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Of course NXT can continue roaming the land among the herds of zombie coins like Tenebrix, IxCoin, and Paycoin. I meant NXT, as a viable project/technology with a future of growth and adoption, is hopeless. "500-2k users?" For what are these users using NXT? Speculation? Where are the tx, github commit, trade volume, and client download stats showing anyone not already invested gives even the slightest fuck about NXT? 2014 called and wants its favorite scam platform back!  Throwing stones from glass houses, when in reality bitcoin is young and fragile with a pathetic adoption rate. Where does that place the alts you are so fond of? |
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Can anyone update me on what's been happening in the past 6 months?
There was a sudden rebrand from Darkcoin-the-dark-market-coin to Dash-the-fiat-and-plastic-replacement. It did not go over well. This was the market's immediate reaction:  Core dev vertoe said " fuck this..hierarchical...centralized...golden donkey" and left. Those who sold immediately upon the rebrand announcement missed a bit of hype and pump, but also evaded the crash which has continued to the present.  TL;DR The highly unpopular rebrand destroyed about 33% of the coin's value. |
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My CPU is Ivy Bridge with AES-NI.
It's an i7 3630QM. But maybe 6 MB L3 Cache isn't enough.
I wanna try GPU's. They are cheaper to buy and are more usable. You can extend them easy. And the power consumtion wouldn't be much more than CPU's.
Is there no hardware camparison list?
What do you guys use for mining and what's the hashrate of it?
6MB L3 is enough for three threads. Assign them to cores 1,2,3 (leaving 0 for the OS) and you'll do fine. GPUs use more power per hash, as they brute force what CPU's AES-NI and on-die cache do elegantly. |
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I doubt Gliss wants to dig into controversies and make judgement calls. Let's keep this simple. Dash has removed the "No Premine" claim from their [ANN] thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0). CMC should be updated accordingly, otherwise it is making a judgement/claim that the coin's OP does not. Q. E. D. There is more information. Specifically about the pre-launch of DASH (XCoin back then): Evan was looking for C++ devs to launch a "for profit startup", an "altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem". (his words) Given the debate here, it's probably best to take the significantly premined mark off of Dash until we can figure out a more appropriate solution. I agree that instamine is not the same as premine.
I see a few options here:
1) Change label to "Significantly mined around launch" or something among those lines
2) Make an instamine label
3) Not care about tracking instamine
I'm preferring #3 because "instamine" is not a well defined term and can be applied subjectively.
I propose to change labels as follows: Coin 1 Not Mineable (MAID, ...) Coin 2 Fastmine, announced before launch (Blackoin, ...) Coin 3 Premined, announced before launch (Gulden, ...) Coin 4 ICO (Ethereum, ...) Coin 5 Proof of Burn (XCP, ...) Coin 6 Premine/Instamine: significantly mined around launch, not announced before launch Coins could get different tags, some examples: NXT 1, 4 Ethereum 3, 4Blackcoin 1, 2Counterparty 1, 5Dash 6Read my post from a few days ago for more info: I want to ask you to reconsider adding the **-tag to DASH: 2013-12-29: 2 guys from Hawk Financial Group, Evan & Kyle, are asking on the Bitcoin Dev mailing list for "1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup". They are planning to build a unique coin that is "not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code" but in stead "a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem". They claim to have "detailed plans on how to implement it". 2014-01-18 There were some issues at launch, so Evan said he would postpone the launch and would "definitely not" launch it in the next hours. But he did launch it a few hours later. 2014-01-19 Xcoin was launched. This was the emission in the first 72 hours of the coins existence:  This was the emission of the first 100 days:  At the moment, there are about 6 million DASH in circulation. There would be 84 million Xcoins eventually. Note that in the first hour, 500k Xcoins were mined. Due to the "quick fix" of the bug, not many people expected to launch a few hours after Evan said he would "definitely not" launch in the next hours. 2014-01-19 Right after the launch, there were problems with the window binaries. Evan clearly was mining right from the start, as he offered 5000 Xcoin as a bounty for compiling the binaries. 2014-01-20 After the emission of almost 2 million coins, Evan said that "now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones!". Up until this point, only the "X11 hashing algoritm" was a known feature. According to him, it was "time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do". 2014-01-22 Evan releases his plans for XCoin. At this point, more than 2 million coins were mined. --- Later on, some contradictions surfaced: * The emission schedule changed multiple times. The latest we heard is that the number of coins would be somewhere between 14 million and like 16 million DASH. * Evan said that this project was just a hobby he started while working on a full time job and coded Xcoin in a weekend. * Evan claims there were hundreds of miners if not thousands when Xcoin launched. Recent investigation showed that there were 124 IP addreses that were mining at the start. 115 of those addresses where Cloudhosting and Dedicated Servers, 9 of them seem to be private/users.106 of them were at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure cloud instances. --- Conclusions: *Evan isn't acting alone, he had/has a team behind him right from the start. It wasn't a hobby. he had a plan to make a profit. *Evan had plans for his coin right from the start, but didn't release them until after the instamine *1.5 million coins were mined in the first 8 hours. Most of these coin ended up in his (and his friends) hands. It's very likely the 500k in the first hour were only mined by him with cloudhosting services. *He lowered the emission later on, to make his relative share of coins bigger. => DASH was clearly a planned premine/instamine.and this one: I believe that the reason that Dash isn't considered premined is because numerous people were able to mine from launch.
I expect that the **premine tag was removed because there is no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that mining was restricted in any way.
If you look at the facts, it was at least a planned instamine: Evan was looking for c++ devs for a "for profit startup" at the end of 2013 for the launch of an altcoin. How can you make a profit by launching an altcoin (and be sure to be able to pay your devs)? Answer: by premining and/or instamining. How he did it is pretty easy: *telling people the release would definitely not be in the next couple of hours and after that do launch it a few hours later *buggy windows binaries *a "code error" creating 500k coins in the first hour, >1.5 million in the first 8 hours. How can this be all an accident and NOT be intentional? |
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I use an i7 quadcore CPU and "only" get 60-80 H/s. Sure there are faster ones... but I've seen GPU's with 500 H/s.
So I'm sure GPU's are much faster. But which one is the fastest? R9 390 with 8GB Ram?
Or are there even ASICS for Cryptonight?
Your i7 should be faster than that. Try using 1 thread per 2MB L2 cache, and assign the process to alternate logical cores (1,3) to help cache segregation. CN exploits specialized AES-NI circuitry in modern CPUs, which makes then effectively ASICs. To make a CN ASIC, you need a chip covered on AES-NI units attached to on-die ultra-low latency memory (L1+L2+L3+L4). For the ASIC to be remotely competitive, you'd need to use a process comparable with modern CPUs, around 22nm. All that would cost a bloody fortune and only produce something marginally faster than an i7. So it's not going to happen until Monero is halfway to the Moon. Put another way, CN was designed to use modern CPUs as ASICs, in order to protect decentralization and ensure a distribution sufficiently wide to bootstrap the ecosystem. |
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The conceit that NXT has any permanency and is Here To Stay is absurd.
Bitshares appears to be dealing with similar problems as NxT. Ethereum is up in the air and may become irrelevant because turing complete can already be done indirectly on Bitcoin and may prove to be too costly and unnecessary to do on a blockchain with "gas" as ultimately you need oracles to collect/manage data in many cases. rootstock is interesting but one example among many of smart contracts projects. It is absurd to think NxT won't be around for many years. It is almost impossible to kill currencies and NxT is one of the most popular cryptocoins around with at least 500-2k users. Even the scam Paycoin still exists and is being used even after all the evidence and investigations. This being said I expect NxT to continue losing marketshare regardless if they reverse direction and increase marketcap or continue to slide in value. There is going to be many black swan events and things will get very competive in the future as we have yet to see any legit corporate coin or government "blockchain" coins enter the market. I won't touch any of those coins but a majority of the population will. Of course NXT can continue roaming the land among the herds of zombie coins like Tenebrix, IxCoin, and Paycoin. I meant NXT, as a viable project/technology with a future of growth and adoption, is hopeless. "500-2k users?" For what are these users using NXT? Speculation? Where are the tx, github commit, trade volume, and client download stats showing anyone not already invested gives even the slightest fuck about NXT? 2014 called and wants its favorite scam platform back! |
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One of the main reasons Dash is not better than bitcoin (even as an alternative) is because most of its development does not appear to be peer reviewed by the crypto community. It is being developed behind closed doors and thus there is a bigger chance for it to have bugs/exploits/flaws. "Anybody who thinks they can flesh out a protocol in secret and then deploy it, full-blown and working, is in for a world of hurt."
[Nick Szabo, 1993-8-23] You just want to know how its going to be done Paying for a top class peer review is one of the things being discussed for a budget proposal and I've little doubt it'll get one so you'll just have to wait like the rest of us  says you can't simply pay for peer review of the quality that open source's 'many eyeballs' delivers. Doing both is ideal. Just doing open source is usually fine. Just doing peer review among a small, paid group in secret is unacceptable. "Any DashHole who thinks they can flesh out Evolution in secret and then deploy it, full-blown and working, is in for a world of butthurt." |
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On the Nxt forum there is a stat that 509 was the most online ever , but because of the severe decrease in volume and market cap adoption may have reversed.
Adoption has definitely reversed. 18 months ago, there was a brief wave of hype. That hype and pump are long over. Since June 14, the price has been plummeting. http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nxt/#chartsThe conceit that NXT has any permanency and is Here To Stay is absurd. SuperNet, the scam platform built on NXT's scam platform, is likewise dying because its hype and "investments" never produced anything of value: http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/supernet-unity/#chartsThere is no likely scenario where this trend turns around. Every day Bitshares, ETH, and rootstock.io spend coding is another day NXT's status as obsolete abandonware is confirmed. |
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Could someone please tell me what's the fastest mining device available?
What is important for cryptonight?
Amount of memory? Bus of memory? Core clock? Memory clock?
Multi-core server CPUs are fastest, though GPUs may be more economical. CN exploits specialized AES-NI circuitry in modern CPUs, which makes then effectively ASICs. The algorithm performance is constrained by L2+L3+L4 on-die cache capacity (2MB per thread) and latency therein. This is all very nice because it approximates Satoshi's ideal of 1-CPU-1-vote. |
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We are going to see a future with multiple blockchains, get used to it)
I'm used to alts, EG, I was mining LTC years before you showed up to shill for the NXT scam-platform. NXT is not needed for the present's multiple blockchains, much less the future's. But I'll indulge you. Tell us all about the amazing tricks NXT can perform that (Turing-complete) ETH cannot. I bet we see distributed poker working on ETH before the Pangea-on-3-second-blockchain-on-Supernet-on-NXT stack of shitprojects is done. |
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