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3941  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 28, 2014, 06:09:50 PM
Please read before spreading FUD - the funds are simply stored in an offline wallet so that the bulk of them are safe in case the faucet is hacked. Having 25k in the faucet makes it a target.

I'll belive in that once faucet balance hits 0 and those 24,000 coins or major part of them replenish the hot wallet.
3942  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 28, 2014, 06:03:15 PM
the official faucet appears to have Server Balance: 731,357,085 micropremine

It is actualy that much + 24,000 PMC which were moved to separate address yesterday and removed from faucet balance.

http://cryptexplorer.com/block/0000000000488730fc4db8aff65e89635f1cfa8520a85f50a012d15fd9cfa20e

To send 25,000 PMC to unknown guy out there was very stupid idea, you know.

Wasn't it a bounty anyway? The bounty was for creating the faucet.

"Powered by MiniFaucet v0.4 - get your own faucet!" does not sound to me like creating the faucet.
3943  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 28, 2014, 05:47:01 PM
What is the best way to distribute coins at this point -- just donate to the faucet?

Go to block explorer and send some coins to all addresses that generated blocks but received no coins at all, like one bellow.

http://cryptexplorer.com/block/0000000000045e7067fa66320e11b8c4835cc1a5e7570a1a17520d4c4fde135f (most recent block)

the official faucet appears to have Server Balance: 731,357,085 micropremine

It is actualy that much + 24,000 PMC which were moved to separate address yesterday and removed from faucet balance.

http://cryptexplorer.com/block/0000000000488730fc4db8aff65e89635f1cfa8520a85f50a012d15fd9cfa20e

To send 25,000 PMC to unknown guy out there was very stupid idea, you know.
3944  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Hrvatski (Croatian) on: January 28, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
Hej momci,
kako će utjecati ova zabrana korištenja btc-a  o stalih virtualnih novčića u rusiji na cijenu btc-a ?

Na ovom dijelu foruma se ne prica o bilo cemu drugom do debilnim stvarima tipa koja graficka, koji setingsi i slicno. Ne moze
stoka sitnog zuba da odmakne od toga, eno vidi ih kopaju u kanalu, uprljani, smrdljivi i bez ikakve veze s onome sto je bitno.
Cak i to sto rade (mos' mislit pameti velike) oni rade pogresno! Kopat coine koji su precijenjeni hahaha majko mila koja ekipa.
3945  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-01-21] eBay / PayPal to accept Bitcoin on: January 28, 2014, 05:11:41 PM
"Bitcoin suffers from the dark-side image and a partner like PayPal is likely to enhance the public confidence in the crypto currencies"   Huh

Weird. I won't complain about another exchange going up, although I doubt they have the expertise to run a bitcoin exchange right.

Too bad public will fall for the craps and praise PayPal and Ebay even more. Funny how they will in the end manage to profit
the most from cryptocoins. If it's up to me, those bastards and any others would be blacklisted. Right there in source code.

All you sold faggots cheering news like this one make me sick.
3946  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-01-28 Alcatel-Lucent files Bitcoin Patent Application: Vault to Wallet on: January 28, 2014, 04:55:43 PM
Hopefully this is already sufficiency common place to prove prior art. Hopefully...
Yes, but is the secure environment known as a Vault? Grin

I wonder if they're talking about some sort of auto-top-up-from-cold-storage for your spending wallet. That would be neat.

I think they are creating another centralized wallet service like blockchain.info but with some extras.
3947  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested on: January 28, 2014, 03:30:01 PM

That many 3rd-party tracking and datamining craps are rarely seen, congratz!

3948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
if I remember correctly crypto use berkeleydb for the blockchain local storage, you should be able to browse that with different technologies stacks, there libraries for that . this one looks to be an explorer for it https://github.com/jutky/Berkeley-DB-Explorer with a gui in java but you'll have to understand the schema in it (which I never dig into) but usually the daemon offers an API intended for that abstraction.

It seems to me PMC uses LevelDB, the same one Bitcoin is using at the moment. BerkeleyDB had multiple issues and it was slow
so Bitcoin devs switched to different database with version 0.8+
3949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 08:48:34 PM
As soon as some cryptocoin arrives that takes reality into equation I'll move all my online wealth there. All this coins made by geeks
just can't survive even minor real world threats.

Buy NXT then...

I have invested into NXT a bit (will put more money but not at this prices) and opted for not keeping coins (boring) but reserving
aliases. One will always be able to get coins but aliases are "once taken, always taken" unless person is ready to pay a shitload
of coins to buy alias from me.  Cheesy

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=4000&acc=18384674354580664306
3950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 05:48:00 PM

Those are my orders at Poloniex, dump dump dumppppppppppppppppppppp!  Grin
No Tongue

Bear says WUUUT?  Grin

More of those at http://imgur.com/gallery/ntcjK (yes, it is Japanese stuff!)

DO NOT SEND DEVELOPER ANY COINS FOR DISTRIBUTION, THIS COIN WON'T WORK!

It is funny how you now want to send money towards this coin. And even try to push the price down to get more. But a few days ago this coin was worth zero to you. It will be interesting to see how much you will value it after one month.

To his credit I believe he was expecting me to sell the coins as some kind of an IPO.

That and also at that time coin was supposed to be using fixed difficulty, it would be a dissaster to do that one way or another
unless one can create such a system where network just don't care if you submit block too early (for example in under 55 seconds)
but also halves or drops difficulty down to 1 in case of block taking too long (for example over 65 seconds). Something like that
will be the cryptocoin of the future or at least the most "green" one. The way all coins work now is just horrible, all it takes to
increase inflation is to add considerable hashrate! Add 10 times more hashrate to Bitcoin and there you go, inflation up by 1000%
until 1st difficulty change and then 250% until 2nd difficulty change (max diff multiplier is 4). Have quantum computer with almost
unlimited speed? Well, all BTC would be mined in under a week, I guess.

Bitcoin, Litecoin and all other guys are playing with fire. None of those coins have protection from block flood or "no rain" seasion.
All it takes to do massive damage to those coins is to take care of few major pools, e.g. few humans. Given that almost everyone
do not have local Bitcoin node and mining setup for solo mining you can easily imagine what would happen in case described above.

As soon as some cryptocoin arrives that takes reality into equation I'll move all my online wealth there. All this coins made by geeks
just can't survive even minor real world threats.
3951  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 04:00:30 PM

Those are my orders at Poloniex, dump dump dumppppppppppppppppppppp!  Grin
No Tongue

Bear says WUUUT?  Grin



More of those at http://imgur.com/gallery/ntcjK (yes, it is Japanese stuff!)
3952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
I'm liking the ideas coming out of this thread now, however at the same time we shoud be mindful now to make big changes when we're not sure how small changes will effect the currency. Right now I think coin movement and tx fees are going to be the biggest contributing factors to the coins success, and once that is done, other ideas will certainly be worth considering.

There is a very specific order of how things should be done else there will be a dissaster. Unless there is protection in place
against the possible situation which I've explained earlier it is unrealistic to expect people will be buying PMC for much BTC
or whatever other cryptocoin. It would be like buying 1kg gold bar from someone who afterwards leave you solo with a group
of Somali pirates or some similar folks.

I have calculated my risks and assigned a total 0.05 BTC for buying PMC. That much BTC I can lose but the price at which I'm
buying still reflects the chances of ending up with nothing.

0.00001000   1000   0.01
0.00000875   1142.8571   0.00999999
0.00000750   1333.3333   0.00999999
0.00000625   1600   0.01
0.00000500   2000   0.01

Those are my orders at Poloniex, dump dump dumppppppppppppppppppppp!  Grin
3953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 03:30:42 PM
Cost of producing 1 PMC now is infinite but valuation based on that will utterly fail unless you take into consideration the utility
of PMC, security ot network and dozen other factors. For example, will you invest 1 BTC into PMC when some funny guy can come
and paralyse mining by mere adding few THashes and reject everyone's tx and blocks? There are people out there who could do
it for fun, because they can or some other reason. BOTNET operator might do it to test how much PMC he would get from tx fees
and so on. So, a guy paralyses PMC, increases difficulty to 100k and jumps off the chain, what happens next? I think you know.

Makes me sad.

Well it does not have to be that way. Bitcoin Testnet artificially drops difficulty to just 0.5 if block is not found after 20 minutes.
It does that temporaly, the next block difficulty goes up to same value as one before (for example, 1k > 0.5 > 1k) and then after
2016 blocks classic difficulty retarget kicks in. That system works like charm! Another example is TerraCoin with artificial halving
of difficulty but that experiment failed because halving was permanent (for example, 1k > 500 > 500) which allowed smart guys
with a lot of hashpower to exploit it so TerraCoin had yet another hard-fork.
3954  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Cost of producing 1 PMC now is infinite but valuation based on that will utterly fail unless you take into consideration the utility
of PMC, security ot network and dozen other factors. For example, will you invest 1 BTC into PMC when some funny guy can come
and paralyse mining by mere adding few THashes and reject everyone's tx and blocks? There are people out there who could do
it for fun, because they can or some other reason. BOTNET operator might do it to test how much PMC he would get from tx fees
and so on. So, a guy paralyses PMC, increases difficulty to 100k and jumps off the chain, what happens next? I think you know.
3955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
True that but you are forgetting that PoW coins get their value from amount of money invested in obtaining them from digital
ground. Just like gold or silver in real world, price is bound to the costs of mining the resource. No one in the right mind will
pay 1,000 USD for something that costs 1 USD to be created. ....

That means that once BTC or any other coins are mined completely it will lose all it's value because no new coins can be found.

That depends on the BTC price and the price of hardware required to mine it. Equilibrium between money invested and money
earned will always be found at some point. Maybe one day 0.01 BTC you'd get from tx fees alone will be totally enough to not
just pay electricity and hardware costs but have enough extra cash to just mine BTC and enjoy the life.

It seems to me some of you are counting on the math 0 PMC from block reward means 1 PMC cost what, 1000+ BTC? Haha
that won't work, people just won't mine PMC. At least those who pay their electricity bills and have considerable amount of
money invested into mining hardware. I ain't gonna be mining PMC unless it's utility and investments at least balance each
other out (mining with zero profit).
3956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 02:48:01 PM
500,000 * 0.0002 = 100 BTC = almost 100,000 USD if MtGox price is used. You really think that is not too much for altcoin
that started few days ago and actualy is a mere clone of SHA-256 altcoins with the only thing different in the fact there is no
mining reward by default? I don't see why should the price be any higher than 0.0002 BTC except because of the speculation
which is BTW something one can do so much easier and with more liquidity with dozens of other cryptocoins and other stuff.
Premine has no inflation. There is no downward pressure to the price by the new coins mined. This is a huge advantage against most of the other coins.

True that but you are forgetting that PoW coins get their value from amount of money invested in obtaining them from digital
ground. Just like gold or silver in real world, price is bound to the costs of mining the resource. No one in the right mind will
pay 1,000 USD for something that costs 1 USD to be created. Some here are comparing NXT with PMC but there can't be much
said that satisfies both coins. They are both premined and that is the only similarity. Or you wanna tell me changing few lines
in Bitcoin code equalls creating the 1st ever PoS altcoin from zero? Get real. You wanna create 1+ million value by doing a bit
more work than pressing ENTER on your keyboard.
3957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 02:22:01 PM
Sell at 0.0002 is too much low...

i bought those Cheesy

500,000 * 0.0002 = 100 BTC = almost 100,000 USD if MtGox price is used. You really think that is not too much for altcoin
that started few days ago and actualy is a mere clone of SHA-256 altcoins with the only thing different in the fact there is no
mining reward by default? I don't see why should the price be any higher than 0.0002 BTC except because of the speculation
which is BTW something one can do so much easier and with more liquidity with dozens of other cryptocoins and other stuff.

100 BTC after few days of life isn't bad but I think that the target could be more.
I'm too optimistic maybe but if is fixed the issue about the minimum tx fee and the net have a good hashrate this will be a good coin.
The real problem here is that are many, maybe too much, people that are sitted on their coins and don't do anything to assure the best for the future.

You will find that with almost all cryptocoins people who have the most coins are the most lazzy ones. Incompetent people
who got in early, got lucky with buying huge pile of coins super cheap and so on. Similarity with the real world, where bankers
and others who are considered elite are actualy quite incompetent should come to no surprise here.
3958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine! - 100% Premine / 100% Distribution - Mining TX fees only on: January 27, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Sell at 0.0002 is too much low...

i bought those Cheesy

500,000 * 0.0002 = 100 BTC = almost 100,000 USD if MtGox price is used. You really think that is not too much for altcoin
that started few days ago and actualy is a mere clone of SHA-256 altcoins with the only thing different in the fact there is no
mining reward by default? I don't see why should the price be any higher than 0.0002 BTC except because of the speculation
which is BTW something one can do so much easier and with more liquidity with dozens of other cryptocoins and other stuff.
3959  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [823/1000 LEFT] 1g Silver Round "The 10,000 Bitcoin Pizza" by BitcoinNerd on: January 27, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Ohh, I see ...



Grin Grin Grin
3960  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [823/1000 LEFT] 1g Silver Round "The 10,000 Bitcoin Pizza" by BitcoinNerd on: January 26, 2014, 01:49:04 PM
I'll skip it, sorry. 1 oz (28.3 grams) silver coins and bars are around 21 USD elsewhere. I'm not into numismatics mostly because
import taxes for such items are ridicule high in my country and local market is just too small to cash-out easily, quickly and with
no big losses.
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