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39521  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 26, 2014, 09:57:22 PM
The only place on earth that could have a bottomless pit would be the center of the earth, where gravity would pull equally in all directions. So, maybe the Russians accidentally opened up part of the pit that goes DOWN, down, down, down... to the "bottom."

Shouldn't you be in church reinforcing your brainwashing?   Roll Eyes

The centre of the earth is a solid iron core.  Surrounding that core is molten metal.  We know this because we haven't been fried by the sun's radiation.

Wow! This is the greatest piece of evidence you have offered so far! It's that, that, your head is full of some of the solidified iron that you brought back up the last time you were down there.

Hmmm. Maybe I'm not so far off. The Revelation says that the devil will be released from the bottomless pit sometime. Hmmm.

 Cheesy
39522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The United States Of America Is The Greatest Union on this Earth for me... on: October 26, 2014, 09:52:58 PM
America is best because, it has the best form of common law among the people, where the people could individually, easily put down all government agencies attacking them in any way. It is worst because there are only a hand full of people that know how to use it... the common law of the people, that is.
39523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 26, 2014, 09:48:35 PM
Using money is very unnatural. So anyone who thinks we shouldn't do unnatural things, please stop using bitcoin and leave this forum, lest you keep being tempted to do things that are unnatural and not in god's design.

what human civilizations have not organically arised a money medium of trade no matter how geographically separated?

Money isn't the problem. Trusting other people - like banks - to keep it for you is stupid. Look at what the IRS can do with your bank account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=835738.0.

Smiley
39524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 26, 2014, 09:45:29 PM
I think the bible needs to be updated... It was written as guidlines on how to live 2000 years ago ~~ People following this book with 100% heart are very stupid.
here aren't any people following it like this >>> 100% heart.  Smiley
39525  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 26, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
According to legend, in 1989 a team of Russian scientists who were operating under the direction of Dr. Azzacove drilled a hole that was nine miles deep in an unnamed place in Siberia before breaking through into a cavity. Intrigued by this unexpected discovery, they lowered an extremely heat tolerant microphone, along with other sensory equipment, into the well. They listened and recorded (purportedly) the tormented screams of desperate people. The second surprise was the high temperature that they discovered at the earth's center, which was over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The conclusion was that they had opened a hole into Hell.

In the Bible, the Revelation, there is such a thing called a bottomless pit. This is where the devil (dragon) is cast and kept for a thousand years.

The only place on earth that could have a bottomless pit would be the center of the earth, where gravity would pull equally in all directions. So, maybe the Russians accidentally opened up part of the pit that goes DOWN, down, down, down... to the "bottom."

Smiley
39526  Other / Off-topic / Re: I know there is no such thing as 'free energy' but what if it was possible? on: October 26, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
The Laws of Thermodynamics are the Laws of "Heat Power." Magnetism and electricity are not heat processes. A magnet can create force from nothing.

Herp derp.

Heat is a model to describe the flux of thermal energy a combination of kinetic and internal potential energy,  which quite literally comes from the energy state of the electrons, which when unpaired, produce magnetic field and produce a current when allowed to move freely in a conductor, also known as electricity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_band_structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_states

Go to school.

You can convert the electricity to heat but the electrons themselves are not heat. You must go again to school and learn the real physics.

"I believe that all mathematical physicists should be hanged
from the highest trees and telephone poles available.

If the laws forbid this, or it messes up the landscape,
then we should institutionalize the whole lot of them.
But keep in mind that there aren't enough funny farms to hold so many idiots.

I'm so upset that relativists hold the reins of power that I think that I'll
just go and read the newspaper to cool off..."

"Bill Gaede"

Source: http://www.youstupidrelativist.com/

You mean the mathematical physics that make possible the device you are using to spout nonsense? I understand the math that makes the pnp, or npn junctions possible in your cpu, but this math is wrong?  Roll Eyes

You can't convert things to heat, heat is a process not a state. You don't increase the heat of something, this is non-sensical, literally it doesn't make sense. You can increase the kinetic energy of the particles, or the potential energy of the electrons through a process called heating.

Compressing a gas increases its temperature, you haven't heated it, why?
Transferring a fluid from one area to another doesn't create fluid, it simple moves it.

Heat is the transfer of energy, it is not energy. The energy itself is thermal energy, which in part is the quantum energy levels of the bound electrons. At absolute zero, the electrons collapse to the lowest energy levels and fill their shells. You are confused, uneducated and wrong.

I have an MSc in applied physics with emphasis in solid state.

You?

However, not all practical application understands this (this = standard physics).

There is an area of quantum mechanics that suggests that working with mathematics and scientific testing is the thing that produces the results, because the scientist is either looking for the results, or his subconscious is looking for the results, or possibly, because the subconsciouses of many people are looking for the results.

It's something like in medicine, where you give a bunch of patients sugar pills rather than the medicine, and like, over 30% get the same or better effects than those taking the medicine.

Once the results have been produced, it is very hard to contradict the results and produce other, different results. Why? Because a scientist who is trying to do this has already been convinced - at least subconsciously - that the results produce are the only ones able to be produced.

Once in awhile a strong-willed inventor produces something like perpetual motion. On a regular basis, he gets out way more energy or force than he puts in. And his invention virtually runs itself. Yet, his work can't be duplicated, simply because those who try to duplicate it simply "know" that it can't work like that. At the same time, the inventor, because he "knows" that his thing works, keeps on getting working results.

There hasn't been enough testing with QM along these lines to ascertain how this works. In fact, because of the complexity involved in this area of science, testing along these lines is just starting. One of the reasons for the lack of testing is, modern science almost refuses to believe that there is such a thing as consciousness, conscience, soul, and spirit.

If you look through TED Talks at http://www.ted.com/talks/browse, you will find that modern science is gradually stepping out of its own self-inflicted "dark ages," and is starting to look at the reality of non-physical, human interaction with the world around us, human interaction done using the mind directly, activated by the soul and spirit rather than thought and logic alone.

Smiley
39527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First time in over 5000 years.. on: October 26, 2014, 03:32:03 PM
The Great Flood of Noah's day was only about 4300 to 4400 years ago. Since that flood wiped everyone except Noah's family from off the earth, that means that the currency system isn't more than that old.

In addition, the currency almost assuredly wasn't used by Noah. What would he use it for? Any barter he did, would have been between him and his children and grand children, etc. Who needs money for that?

Probably the oldest money system that we could connect to is way less than 4000 years old.

Smiley

I don't think a worldwide flood wiping out all but one family a little over 4000 years ago is exactly the consensus view forged through rational analysis of the available historical data these days.

You need to remember that the archeologists are paid by their university, etc., that is controlled by the political community, that tells them what to tell us, just so that they can remain in power.

Smiley
39528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What will do Obama if Ebola will come to Whitehouse from foreign leaders staff on: October 26, 2014, 03:29:39 PM
Well, if Obama contracts ebola, he certainly wouldn't commit suicide to protect the rest of the country from himself. Otherwise he would have killed himself already, if he wanted to protect the country, that is.

Smiley
39529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Title: Near Zero Bitcoin Transaction Fees Cannot Last Forever on: October 26, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
How would you get rid of fees? Miners aren't likely to support a fork without the ability for miners to set a fee requirement to process blocks. Actually, I'm not sure how feasible such a fork would be without entirely removing even voluntary fees. Do that, and you run a serious risk of undermining Bitcoin's security model in the long term.

Without fees, you're left with trusting the preset reward rate to be optimal to guarantee sufficient interest by honest miners to ward off hashpower attacks. Fees provide important room to increase the network hashrate from what the reward rate alone could support.

Fees are voluntary, aren't they? So, allow them, since people love to donate money to places where they don't see where it is going. Consider taxes. The IRS says they are voluntary. Yet you don't know where yours go. So, make the only change necessary. Advertise in big bold letters, right inside the next version of the client, that they can be erased if they are found to exist automatically whenever you send.

Smiley
39530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First time in over 5000 years.. on: October 26, 2014, 03:21:28 PM
The Great Flood of Noah's day was only about 4300 to 4400 years ago. Since that flood wiped everyone except Noah's family from off the earth, that means that the currency system isn't more than that old.

In addition, the currency almost assuredly wasn't used by Noah. What would he use it for? Any barter he did, would have been between him and his children and grand children, etc. Who needs money for that?

Probably the oldest money system that we could connect to is way less than 4000 years old.

Smiley
39531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Title: Near Zero Bitcoin Transaction Fees Cannot Last Forever on: October 26, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Look, if I have some bitcoins, and I send them somewhere, why should I or the receiver pay to send or receive them? The whole Internet runs off whatever money people pay their ISPs, etc.  Why should I have to pay more to use this Bitcoin thing, when I spent money to get the bitcoins I have in the first place? Bitcoin fees are stupid. They are not supply and demand oriented.

Where do bitcoins come from? Miners mine them. Miners spend time and money for computers, ASICs, electricity, wiring, etc., so that they can mine bitcoins. If they have bitcojns that they mined, they have them. If the miners won't sell until the price is right, we have a rise in the Bitcoin price. All the stupid fees do is to keep the price down.

Forget the fees altogether. When miners need to make more just to pay their bills, all they have to do is hoard bitcoins until the price is right. That's what the free market is all about. If the fees disappeared altogether, the price of bitcoins would rise. Fees are like a form of centralization. Get rid of the stupid fees.

HOWEVER, this being a free market, if you want to donate fees to some unnamed cause, go ahead. It's a free market!

Smiley
39532  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you can get a wife from another country - which country wife you choose ? on: October 26, 2014, 02:54:30 AM
When you marry a woman, you are marrying her family. Why? Because she has her family built into her from being raised by them. And depending on how long her family was living in their country, you will be marrying her country, as well - or at least, the country her family came from.

Think about this well. You could be asking for a lot of turmoil in your life, simply by marrying into a country that is not compatible with yours.

If you live in Western Europe, or much of the Americas, you are a person of Christian tradition - even if you are not a Christian, because the Americas have Christianity built into their culture - and you marry someone from Southeast Asia, you will be marrying into Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, or some similar tradition. Is this what you want? You may be able to adapt somewhat, and she may be able to adapt somewhat, but it WILL ultimately be a struggle.

Smiley
39533  Other / Off-topic / Re: Would you live in Mars? on: October 26, 2014, 02:42:40 AM
We could live inside Mars. After all, isn't the moon really like the "Death Star" in Star Wars? Look at the picture, below. Isn't that big crater really the main communications/power dish? So, if the moon is hollow, like the Death Star, and if Mars isn't already hollow, couldn't we hollow it out and live inside?




Smiley
39534  Other / Off-topic / Re: I know there is no such thing as 'free energy' but what if it was possible? on: October 26, 2014, 02:33:58 AM
nothing in life is for free.

The most important things in life are free. after all, if you didn't have your body, your mind, your emotions, and your soul and spirit, ALL OF THEM GIVEN TO YOU FOR FREE, where could you go to get them? There isn't a person on earth who could give them to you - except your parents, the first time - or give them back to you if you lost them.

All of our energy comes to us freely, from the sun, and the movements and motions of the earth and moon. The part that isn't quite free is tapping into this free energy.

In the sense of pure free energy, or perpetual energy, the energy in nature may end some time. But as things stand now, it is so fantastically greater, and more abundant, than we could ever use as people, that it is essentially extremely free.

Smiley
39535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Joke known as U.S. Congress now worry about Bitcoin on: October 26, 2014, 02:22:58 AM
The U.S. Congress may have a lot of power, but yours, individually, is greater. However, if you don't know it, odds are that you will never use it, at least not effectively.

If you want to move a muscle guy, you have to have muscle yourself. At least, you are going to need some leverage. You don't simply wake up in the morning with either. You need to get information on how to build muscle, and where to go to get leverage. And then you need to work out. It isn't easy, but the rewards are satisfying.

Check the links below to see if you want to build muscle and gain leverage to use against government in the United States if necessary, and a whole lot more.

Bill Thornton common law 5 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bill_T._common_law_5_parts

Three audios explaining the power you have in the court system:
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/lectures/introduction/index.html

Once you finish the above, Youtube search "Karl Lentz common law" to see how to simply use what you learned in the videos and audios.

Smiley
39536  Other / Off-topic / Re: Would you live in Mars? on: October 25, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Before you go, be sure to read Podkayne of Mars by Robert A. Heinlein.   Grin
39537  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 25, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
@BitChick @BADecker

Do you want to know why you should not consider it harmless to maintain your religious beliefs?

Because they require you to induce 'magical thinking' and 'thought avoidance' in order to ensure that the intellectually honest part of your psyche, your subconscious, does not break it down into its component parts and inform your conscious self of the truth of the delusion.

This means you are living a life of persistent neurological stress, with raised levels of cortisol causing a dysfunctional stress-response as it can never resolve the dichotomy between what you wish reality to be, versus what your brain knows reality to be.

It is an abusive relationship, between you and your theism. The theism causes stress levels to rise when you encounter conflicting positions about your reality, and when you cannot conjure up a sufficient resolution to the conflict, you double-down and immerse yourself more into your theist narrative by seeking ways to wrap it around you tighter, adding layers of explanations as to why your mythical deity might permit so much horror and abuse in our lives if he is so powerful, you dream up excuses for him, to explain away the lack of intervention in natural disasters or personal suffering, all the while looking for ways to pretend to yourself that the good in your life is a reward from him and the bad is simply him testing you, you know, because he loves you so.

It is disturbingly akin to the type of relationship that develops between a parent and the child they routinely abuse. The child seeks to excuse the behaviour of their parent, seeks to be able to find ways to get the parent to love them and approve of them, the child blames themselves for when the parent gets mad and hurts them and the child is elated and grateful to the parent when there are moment of fleeting reward from them.

You keep citing 'science' to support your position when, the truth is, your sources are utter crap. That's not science its pseudoscience reverse-engineered to support the end position of the theist delusion. It is mangled data and shonky interpretations designed to ensure that A+B=Bible.

Stop quoting 'facts' as facts, they are not. You are so terribly, terribly, wrong it isn't even funny. You have been, and are being, brainwashed and conditioned to readily accept the worst examples of theist 'scientific data' solely on the basis that they worked back from where they wanted to get to and ignored and discarded all the data that didn't fit their requirements.

You boldly assert things as true which are absolutely absurd. You make grand statements about your God's behaviour and intentions, as if these things are facts when they are simply what you have been told to believe.

Tell me, what's the difference between your God and Harry Potter? What aspects of your God exists outside of your imagination?



And here I was hoping it wouldn't be so painful. I mean the part about being faithful to God so that I get eternal life in the resurrection.

Smiley
39538  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 25, 2014, 03:49:14 AM

You don't need a deity to make the right choices in life, you've already proved that to yourself.



The "deity" gave me free will but His Spirit helps me make the right choices all of the time.

And I very much NEED a "diety!"  I need God to pay the price for the sinful choices I have made or the price I will pay is an eternal one.

But you have said that you believe that you have the power in yourself.  That is the risk you are willing to take with your soul.  I would just question if that risk is a good one and if it will work for you if you happen to be wrong.   Will believing in ourselves be enough to pay the price for our sins?



Your being does not contain within it entropy sufficient for "free[dom]." (And, indeed, it is for "His Spirit" that you have so known deprivation.)

The flaw in your thinking is that you missed the part about, while God exists within this universe (for His own pleasure), He also exists entirely without the universe. God, neither entropy or non-entropy.

Smiley

“Entropy,” within American English, may refer to “a trend to disorder” (which neither yourself nor “BitChick” seem to exhibit—considering your consistency). Without disorder, one proceeds within defined bounds and, thus, proves constrained—not "free."

Entropy is visible in all of us, though it isn't very evident from one day to the next. It's called aging. The higher order of natural operation - such as life - the more evident entropy may be, simply because there are many more operations for it to act on.

You are a little difficult to understand at times, but if you are suggesting that people are not free, that is true from a scientific standpoint. There is no evidence of anything other than cause and effect, except perhaps, in higher math, where you can often prove things opposite of each other if you work at it hard enough.

Smiley
39539  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 24, 2014, 09:10:53 PM

The fact that you believe this life is all there is a very sad and depressing thought.


Herein lies the truth. Religious folk simply can't accept that this is their one and only life.

There is absolutely nothing in evolution theory that suggests a way that the diversity and complexity in nature could have happened.

In the face of the laws of probability along with the apparent entropy we see all around, evolution is an absolute impossibility.

In fact, the continual political-like hollering of atheists and others is the only thing that keeps the idea of evolution alive.

With the creation of the Internet, as people come to realize the truth that evolution is impossible, even the hollering will soon die.

Smiley

It's actually quite simple really. A change in environment causes evolutionary changes in species in an attempt to adapt better to said environment. If there was no diversity in environments then perhaps your statement may have a chance to hold true. Then again maybe you're right and god just made different races of people to give us another reason to go to hell for being racist. Yeah, that makes more sense.  Roll Eyes

Oh, now don't start getting upset (unless you really want to, that is).

No matter how you look at it, diversity, combined with probability, combined with entropy, entirely disallows any form of evolution we can dream up, not just as some kind of improbability, but rather as an absolute impossibility.

Do the math. Then look somewhere else. Evolution is (and always has been, really) dead. The fact that it is written in the books will make it take a long time before its death is apparent.

Smiley

EDIT: I should have added universe complexity in there.

LOL! I'm not mad. Are you? Obviously, I don't take these "debates" seriously, since I find your arguments to be quite flawed. I find it mildly entertaining at best.

I'm pretty sure Einstein had religious people in mind when he said, “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is a lot.” The "little" being what they know of science and reality, the "a lot" being what they assume of god.

Unfortunately, "a little knowledge" is what the scientific community has, with regard to what there is to know. They will admit this themselves if you ask them. I say "unfortunately" because I, too, am a scientist at heart, and would like to see real results.

Modern science simply doesn't have enough information to determine either the age of the earth/universe, or that evolution does really exist (I'm talking about basic evolution here... the beginnings of life). So far, everything that has been discovered can be attributed to other things besides that commonly held scientific understandings of the age of universe and evolution. Many of the findings while seeming to be evidence of these, are also evidence of the exact opposite - no evolution and short age of the universe.

The reason for the modern, wide spread evolution theme lies in publishing done by people and groups who would like to see certain things happen in a political way. They are hiding the fact of the scientific "if" while promoting the "if" research as fact or near fact. And, unfortunately, they are having an effect of moving populations into believing something that is just not true... at least not proven true.

Then there are the people who are hired by the above mentioned, political movers, to cloud the fact of the "if." Whenever someone brings up clear, logical points - like combining universe complexity, probability, and real entropy, or like the fact of the "if" itself - they simply talk it down, whitewash it over, so that clear thinking remains hidden as much as possible.

Well, I suppose doing this political propagandizing is easier - and probably more profitable - than actually thinking, or getting out there and doing some research.

Smiley
39540  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Treadmill of Atheism on: October 24, 2014, 07:52:01 PM

Lack of evidence + conclusion = belief
Atheism BY DEFINITION is a belief.

ATHEISM:
Full Definition of ATHEIST
:  one who believes that there is no deity

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist

Origin

late 16th century: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'.



And because it is an organized system of beliefs, having high priests called scientists, and a god of self (because atheists claim they are the ones who are right), Atheism is a religion, and the word should be capitalized.

Smiley
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