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39861  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nvidia proves that the lunar landings happened on: September 23, 2014, 03:56:23 PM
Yes, and Ender's Game proves that the earth is covertly at war with space aliens.  Smiley
39862  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
The only people able to stand against ISIS right now are the Kurds, and they are only succeeding because of U.S. Airstrikes. But the Kurds only defend their own territory. It is unlikely they will go further south to fight ISIS. Most of the rest of the Iraqi Army is turning and fleeing at the first sight of ISIS.

My question is: If airstrikes can only do so much against ISIS, how can we defeat ISIS in Iraq without U.S. Ground Troops if most of the Iraqi Army does not want to fight?
US  arm them. Maybe not intentionally, but it has everything to do with unintentional consequences of poorly executed foreign policy. As far as funding, there's no real doubt Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, and many other countries have given them funding for all kinds of reasons.....so lets stop funding and arming them.

Stop paying income taxes in the U.S.   Smiley
If we do that then you will find uncle sam knoking at your door.

Actually, no! Uncle Sap is words on paper. It might be people knocking at my door. And if any of them happen to be Uncle Sap, then I would have to ask him how I have personally harmed him or damaged his property. Otherwise, get off my property.

Smiley
39863  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The US is bombing Syria to destroy ISIS. on: September 23, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
The U.S. covertly helped create ISIS so that they have something to bomb.  Smiley
39864  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Scotland's silent majority decides against separation on: September 23, 2014, 03:44:35 PM
Was it paper ballots, hand counted? Or was it corrupt, electronic voting machines?  Smiley
39865  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: September 23, 2014, 03:42:20 PM
The only people able to stand against ISIS right now are the Kurds, and they are only succeeding because of U.S. Airstrikes. But the Kurds only defend their own territory. It is unlikely they will go further south to fight ISIS. Most of the rest of the Iraqi Army is turning and fleeing at the first sight of ISIS.

My question is: If airstrikes can only do so much against ISIS, how can we defeat ISIS in Iraq without U.S. Ground Troops if most of the Iraqi Army does not want to fight?
US  arm them. Maybe not intentionally, but it has everything to do with unintentional consequences of poorly executed foreign policy. As far as funding, there's no real doubt Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, and many other countries have given them funding for all kinds of reasons.....so lets stop funding and arming them.

Stop paying income taxes in the U.S.   Smiley
39866  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 23, 2014, 12:26:44 AM

1. Entropy
2. Fundamental tendency
3. Fundamental tendency
4. Entropy
5. Entropy
6. Entropy

Entropism (Limakasidian tradition): "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy."

Yes.

We see two things. We see entropy. Entropy suggests that everything will finally neutralize to the point of something that we can't understand... a balance where everything equals everything else... a point of absolutely no complexity.

We also see complexity that is great. So far, this complexity is far beyond man's understanding. But, we are trying to find out enough about it so that, maybe we can understand.

We see nothing that could produce the complexity that we see all over the place. Whatever could produce this complexity - since the complexity is machine-like - must be a powerful Maker. If Fundamental Tendency is the Machine-Maker of all this complexity, then Fundamental Tendency is God.

We don't understand much about the machine of nature. Much has already been lost to entropy. We might never be able to envision what it was like before the losses already gone to entropy. So how are we ever going to understand Fundamental Tendency God, or whatever God really is? Only one way. We need to look to see if God has revealed Himself to us.

Smiley
The more directly relevant assertion there is that what we observe is a portion of existence that is turned inward on its origin to so great a degree that it is rationally intelligible.

(Id est, christian gods, here, are not said to be so mighty that they can craft objects beyond their own might; however, such beings, by the aforementioned tendency, would indeed exist [as would the whole of paradox].)

That's the point. There aren't any Christian gods. There is only one God. And that one God is the God that true Christians espouse. Of course, we could get into what is a true Christian, since the term "Christian" has come to mean many different things. For my purposes, I define "Christian" as one who believes in the Christ of the New Testament in the Bible, as He is talked about in the N.T., even though neither I nor anyone else understands everything about Him.

Smiley
There is one "God" for every christian, hence, "...christian gods..."

(As well, convention dictates that a christian is one who professes the Apostle's Creed.)

Somebody's convention. A Christian is one who believes in the salvation that Jesus, the Christ, did on the cross... and the resurrection from the dead.

The Apostles' Creed isn't correct in the fact that it attributes the work of creation to the Father, whereas the Bible attributes the work of creation to the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit (read the first few verses of Genesis for the Spirit).

The fact that no two people understand exactly the same thing about God doesn't change the nature of God. It only gives us the chance to compare notes to correct the understanding about God, in all of us.

Smiley
39867  Other / Off-topic / Re: Purgatory on: September 23, 2014, 12:20:52 AM
Life on earth is the closest thing to purgatory that there is.   Cheesy
39868  Other / Off-topic / Re: Purgatory on: September 23, 2014, 12:19:48 AM
Actually if you follow the rules, there is only one interpretation...

the rules;

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That's the point and I are making is, there is no "rule" that says that we can't change the "rules" if we don't like them.
It's not like we're dealing with a scientific formula, or a testable theory in which, repeating the same experiment under the same conditions should always yield the same results.
You're talking about religious beliefs that have no more basis in reality than any other superstitious beliefs or fairy tale.

Wrong. One of the reasons scientists wanted to explode the atomic bomb and then the hydrogen bomb, was to see if they could break the rules. Well they couldn't. the rules couldn't really be streched or bent.

Just because you or I want to use the rules of our freedom to make up and call all kinds of things rules that are not, doesn't mean that we have made new rules.

Smiley
39869  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 23, 2014, 12:10:19 AM

1. Entropy
2. Fundamental tendency
3. Fundamental tendency
4. Entropy
5. Entropy
6. Entropy

Entropism (Limakasidian tradition): "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy."

Yes.

We see two things. We see entropy. Entropy suggests that everything will finally neutralize to the point of something that we can't understand... a balance where everything equals everything else... a point of absolutely no complexity.

We also see complexity that is great. So far, this complexity is far beyond man's understanding. But, we are trying to find out enough about it so that, maybe we can understand.

We see nothing that could produce the complexity that we see all over the place. Whatever could produce this complexity - since the complexity is machine-like - must be a powerful Maker. If Fundamental Tendency is the Machine-Maker of all this complexity, then Fundamental Tendency is God.

We don't understand much about the machine of nature. Much has already been lost to entropy. We might never be able to envision what it was like before the losses already gone to entropy. So how are we ever going to understand Fundamental Tendency God, or whatever God really is? Only one way. We need to look to see if God has revealed Himself to us.

Smiley
The more directly relevant assertion there is that what we observe is a portion of existence that is turned inward on its origin to so great a degree that it is rationally intelligible.

(Id est, christian gods, here, are not said to be so mighty that they can craft objects beyond their own might; however, such beings, by the aforementioned tendency, would indeed exist [as would the whole of paradox].)

That's the point. There aren't any Christian gods. There is only one God. And that one God is the God that true Christians espouse. Of course, we could get into what is a true Christian, since the term "Christian" has come to mean many different things. For my purposes, I define "Christian" as one who believes in the Christ of the New Testament in the Bible, as He is talked about in the N.T., even though neither I nor anyone else understands everything about Him.

Smiley
39870  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 22, 2014, 11:46:05 PM

1. Entropy
2. Fundamental tendency
3. Fundamental tendency
4. Entropy
5. Entropy
6. Entropy

Entropism (Limakasidian tradition): "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy."

Yes.

We see two things. We see entropy. Entropy suggests that everything will finally neutralize to the point of something that we can't understand... a balance where everything equals everything else... a point of absolutely no complexity.

We also see complexity that is great. So far, this complexity is far beyond man's understanding. But, we are trying to find out enough about it so that, maybe we can understand.

We see nothing that could produce the complexity that we see all over the place. Whatever could produce this complexity - since the complexity is machine-like - must be a powerful Maker. If Fundamental Tendency is the Machine-Maker of all this complexity, then Fundamental Tendency is God.

We don't understand much about the machine of nature. Much has already been lost to entropy. We might never be able to envision what it was like before the losses already gone to entropy. So how are we ever going to understand Fundamental Tendency God, or whatever God really is? Only one way. We need to look to see if God has revealed Himself to us.

Smiley
39871  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 22, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
They have not observed the big bang have they?  But they believe it as fact, when indeed it isn't a proven fact.  It is even taught as a fact to students today in many schools and that, to me, is a travesty.  It needs to be taught as it really is, a theory! 

Didn't we already explain in another thread a long time ago that a scientific theory is tantamount to a fact, because it is based on observable evidence and fact? You are thinking of the word "hypothesis," which is where someone just says, "I think this is how it is." A scientific theory is "this is how I observed things to be, and this is the simplest explanation." Like the earth rotating around the sun is a scientific theory (heliocentric theory) based on our observations. We observed how things move around in the sky, and sent satellites to space to verify observations, and the theory of "earth is rotating around the sun" is the simplest explanation we have for what we have seen. Keep in mind that we have never actually went to the sun and watched the earth rotate around from there just to be sure. We never needed to. Likewise with big bang, we can observe the universe expanding from a point, and can see background radiation far away in space that fits the simplest explanation of "everything came from one point." If you want to add your own evidence of a creator, you have to actually present the visible (or at least testable) evidence, not just something you think is true.

Rassah,  you know you have a soft spot in my heart for whatever reason.  Wink

I don't really want to be too argumentative, but I did have a question to ask.  You seem to think teaching the hypothesis of creation in schools would be a negative thing.  It seems that you really would prefer that the world would think like you do, and not even believe in God.  With that in mind, do you really think it is better if the world got to the point where it was completely "Godless?"  A world that was free from any religion whatsoever?  Where everyone had come to the agreement that there is no God so therefore He should not be talked about or discussed or taught to children?  It seems to me that many atheists are convinced that this would become a utopia and a perfect world. 

My fear is if this is indeed your hearts desire that at some point your wish will be granted.  God does promise a day when that will happen and His Spirit will be removed from the earth.  If evil is present now, with death, hate, abuse, sickness and so on, it will only be much much worse then.  If God is love, and He is no longer present here, love will be gone.  A world without love would not be the world I want to be in.

There's a little line in the revelation that says, "... and there was no longer any sea." The word "sea" there is not talking about some body of water. What it is talking about is the sea of people who don't believe the true God, many of whom are atheists. It won't be no religion. Rather, there will be only one religion, the true religion. God will see to it.

Smiley
39872  Other / Archival / Re: Insult me! on: September 22, 2014, 02:31:02 AM
I was going to insult you, but then I changed my mind and read your topic.   Grin
39873  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Death of soul means, in part, cessation of all vibration of existence.

What is vibration of existence? Are you just using fancywords?

I'm slowly coming to understand why some people don't understand about God.

If "fancywords" means something other than "fancy words," I don't know what it means. If "fancywords" means "fancy words," then I can at least understand that some folks don't know about the vibrational frequencies of bio-electricity in it's natural habitat... the human body.

The brain uses bio-electricity when people think. Although there are probably many other things that are not material, or scientifically measurable, or electronic, in a human being's thinking and identity, the vibration of the being, the soul, that makes everyone different from everyone else, is that person's vibration of existence.

I had though most people would recognize that meaning, sort of, automatically, since there is vibration in everything. But I guess not.

Smiley
39874  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:44:23 AM
Just Believe Smiley

This.

However, the Holy Spirit works a proper belief in the hearts of the people whose will is not so strong that they can resist Him. It is strength of will that keeps people who live in nations that don't have the Bible, from believing properly... although the Holy Spirit is attempting to work a proper faith in them, as well.

Thank God that we have the Bible.

Smiley
39875  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:40:06 AM
If a single celled virus mutated into something more deadly and resiliant than a strain of it's predecessor, then it would have to reproduce through splitting from the newly designed cell.

If it reproduced.

This would create a new "creature."

Would produce death or weakness to the cell. Cells are powerful, but powerful in attempting to regain the perfection that they had. That's the reason life keeps on going. It is attempting to get back to the perfection that it once was. Will never make it. Death will keep on happening.

Is that proof that some god somewhere has made that happen? Of course not. It simply means that the cell naturally needed to evolve and adapt to it's envoronment and did so.

Having a "need" is more like "being designed to have the need."

Thats just a microcosm of what happens with multi-celled organisms over time.

As I said above, in this post.

Humans still have appendixes which perform no real function for us today, but they were useful for something at one point in our evolution.

Actually, the Chinese found out ages ago that the appendix produces a slime that covers the stool so that the stool doesn't harm the colon wall as it passes.

Some harmonic studies that compare plants with animals suggest that the vibratory rates of the appendix match those of plants that propagate through "appendages," like strawberries and some vines. Perhaps before the fall into sin, people would have propagated like this.

Some god isn't just twitching is nose and making things happen. Things happen for scientific reasons.

This is absolutely correct. God is way more scientific - from the currently evolved common meaning of "science," not the dictionary definition - than man is. Yet, from man's "dictionary science" meaning, God has made the soul of man so strong that He does examine the heart to see exactly what kind of faith exists there, person to person.

Smiley
39876  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:20:16 AM

What matter is coming to dead?

Dead is has two parts.
1. death of body.
2. Death of soul.

Death of body may mean little. It may mean to simply stop working/living in this life.

Death of soul means, in part, cessation of all vibration of existence. This will take an eternity, because that is how long the soul will exist. This death is continual dying.

In God's realm, this will have an ending, a finishing, because God's realm exists with eternity and beyond eternity as well. But in the realms in which man exists, there will be no ending of this death. We cannot understand it from God's point of view, because we are not God, Himself. We will only feel it and experience it from man's point of view, because we are people.

God has worked to save people from the death, both of body, and of soul. That is what the story of Jesus is all about. Accept Jesus, be resurrected to eternal life with God, not eternal death away from God.

Much of this is beyond our clear understanding in this life. But it will happen to all of us something like this. Perhaps we will have a clearer understanding in the resurrection. But then it will be too late to change.

Smiley
39877  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: September 21, 2014, 02:07:31 AM
russia Smiley

If global warming continues, Northern Russian and Siberia will open up to being able to sustain another couple billion people, just like Northern Canada combined with Alaska. If the warming creates enough humidity. The deserts of Africa will open up for great population as well.

Too bad global warming seems to be dying down. In fact, we might be in for a new ice age.

Smiley
39878  Other / Off-topic / Re: I know how to bring world peace without destroying the world on: September 19, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
dank, do you have any tattoos?  Smiley
39879  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: September 19, 2014, 05:00:24 PM




Beautiful! I'd love to visit Russia. And I will!

One could never thank you enough for this great thread.

Good. Take your camera along, and post as many pictures as you can in this thread.  Smiley
39880  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why do dark skinned people get tattoos? on: September 19, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
Same reason that most people get tattoos. 'Cause they feel unimportant, weak, guilty, insecure, etc., down deep. A tattoo is something that people can do to themselves to make a statement TO themselves that they are important, because now they don't have any choice but to stand out in public. It can be a very bold and courageous move on the part of some.

Smiley

Yeah, thats maybe the tattoos your friends do. There are plenty tattoos on different cultures with different meanings...

Tattooing has been around a long time. It started in the thing that I said above. Now that it has been accepted worldwide, it has taken on various meanings.

Smiley
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