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39881  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 23, 2014, 12:10:19 AM

1. Entropy
2. Fundamental tendency
3. Fundamental tendency
4. Entropy
5. Entropy
6. Entropy

Entropism (Limakasidian tradition): "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy."

Yes.

We see two things. We see entropy. Entropy suggests that everything will finally neutralize to the point of something that we can't understand... a balance where everything equals everything else... a point of absolutely no complexity.

We also see complexity that is great. So far, this complexity is far beyond man's understanding. But, we are trying to find out enough about it so that, maybe we can understand.

We see nothing that could produce the complexity that we see all over the place. Whatever could produce this complexity - since the complexity is machine-like - must be a powerful Maker. If Fundamental Tendency is the Machine-Maker of all this complexity, then Fundamental Tendency is God.

We don't understand much about the machine of nature. Much has already been lost to entropy. We might never be able to envision what it was like before the losses already gone to entropy. So how are we ever going to understand Fundamental Tendency God, or whatever God really is? Only one way. We need to look to see if God has revealed Himself to us.

Smiley
The more directly relevant assertion there is that what we observe is a portion of existence that is turned inward on its origin to so great a degree that it is rationally intelligible.

(Id est, christian gods, here, are not said to be so mighty that they can craft objects beyond their own might; however, such beings, by the aforementioned tendency, would indeed exist [as would the whole of paradox].)

That's the point. There aren't any Christian gods. There is only one God. And that one God is the God that true Christians espouse. Of course, we could get into what is a true Christian, since the term "Christian" has come to mean many different things. For my purposes, I define "Christian" as one who believes in the Christ of the New Testament in the Bible, as He is talked about in the N.T., even though neither I nor anyone else understands everything about Him.

Smiley
39882  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 22, 2014, 11:46:05 PM

1. Entropy
2. Fundamental tendency
3. Fundamental tendency
4. Entropy
5. Entropy
6. Entropy

Entropism (Limakasidian tradition): "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy."

Yes.

We see two things. We see entropy. Entropy suggests that everything will finally neutralize to the point of something that we can't understand... a balance where everything equals everything else... a point of absolutely no complexity.

We also see complexity that is great. So far, this complexity is far beyond man's understanding. But, we are trying to find out enough about it so that, maybe we can understand.

We see nothing that could produce the complexity that we see all over the place. Whatever could produce this complexity - since the complexity is machine-like - must be a powerful Maker. If Fundamental Tendency is the Machine-Maker of all this complexity, then Fundamental Tendency is God.

We don't understand much about the machine of nature. Much has already been lost to entropy. We might never be able to envision what it was like before the losses already gone to entropy. So how are we ever going to understand Fundamental Tendency God, or whatever God really is? Only one way. We need to look to see if God has revealed Himself to us.

Smiley
39883  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 22, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
They have not observed the big bang have they?  But they believe it as fact, when indeed it isn't a proven fact.  It is even taught as a fact to students today in many schools and that, to me, is a travesty.  It needs to be taught as it really is, a theory! 

Didn't we already explain in another thread a long time ago that a scientific theory is tantamount to a fact, because it is based on observable evidence and fact? You are thinking of the word "hypothesis," which is where someone just says, "I think this is how it is." A scientific theory is "this is how I observed things to be, and this is the simplest explanation." Like the earth rotating around the sun is a scientific theory (heliocentric theory) based on our observations. We observed how things move around in the sky, and sent satellites to space to verify observations, and the theory of "earth is rotating around the sun" is the simplest explanation we have for what we have seen. Keep in mind that we have never actually went to the sun and watched the earth rotate around from there just to be sure. We never needed to. Likewise with big bang, we can observe the universe expanding from a point, and can see background radiation far away in space that fits the simplest explanation of "everything came from one point." If you want to add your own evidence of a creator, you have to actually present the visible (or at least testable) evidence, not just something you think is true.

Rassah,  you know you have a soft spot in my heart for whatever reason.  Wink

I don't really want to be too argumentative, but I did have a question to ask.  You seem to think teaching the hypothesis of creation in schools would be a negative thing.  It seems that you really would prefer that the world would think like you do, and not even believe in God.  With that in mind, do you really think it is better if the world got to the point where it was completely "Godless?"  A world that was free from any religion whatsoever?  Where everyone had come to the agreement that there is no God so therefore He should not be talked about or discussed or taught to children?  It seems to me that many atheists are convinced that this would become a utopia and a perfect world. 

My fear is if this is indeed your hearts desire that at some point your wish will be granted.  God does promise a day when that will happen and His Spirit will be removed from the earth.  If evil is present now, with death, hate, abuse, sickness and so on, it will only be much much worse then.  If God is love, and He is no longer present here, love will be gone.  A world without love would not be the world I want to be in.

There's a little line in the revelation that says, "... and there was no longer any sea." The word "sea" there is not talking about some body of water. What it is talking about is the sea of people who don't believe the true God, many of whom are atheists. It won't be no religion. Rather, there will be only one religion, the true religion. God will see to it.

Smiley
39884  Other / Archival / Re: Insult me! on: September 22, 2014, 02:31:02 AM
I was going to insult you, but then I changed my mind and read your topic.   Grin
39885  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Death of soul means, in part, cessation of all vibration of existence.

What is vibration of existence? Are you just using fancywords?

I'm slowly coming to understand why some people don't understand about God.

If "fancywords" means something other than "fancy words," I don't know what it means. If "fancywords" means "fancy words," then I can at least understand that some folks don't know about the vibrational frequencies of bio-electricity in it's natural habitat... the human body.

The brain uses bio-electricity when people think. Although there are probably many other things that are not material, or scientifically measurable, or electronic, in a human being's thinking and identity, the vibration of the being, the soul, that makes everyone different from everyone else, is that person's vibration of existence.

I had though most people would recognize that meaning, sort of, automatically, since there is vibration in everything. But I guess not.

Smiley
39886  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:44:23 AM
Just Believe Smiley

This.

However, the Holy Spirit works a proper belief in the hearts of the people whose will is not so strong that they can resist Him. It is strength of will that keeps people who live in nations that don't have the Bible, from believing properly... although the Holy Spirit is attempting to work a proper faith in them, as well.

Thank God that we have the Bible.

Smiley
39887  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:40:06 AM
If a single celled virus mutated into something more deadly and resiliant than a strain of it's predecessor, then it would have to reproduce through splitting from the newly designed cell.

If it reproduced.

This would create a new "creature."

Would produce death or weakness to the cell. Cells are powerful, but powerful in attempting to regain the perfection that they had. That's the reason life keeps on going. It is attempting to get back to the perfection that it once was. Will never make it. Death will keep on happening.

Is that proof that some god somewhere has made that happen? Of course not. It simply means that the cell naturally needed to evolve and adapt to it's envoronment and did so.

Having a "need" is more like "being designed to have the need."

Thats just a microcosm of what happens with multi-celled organisms over time.

As I said above, in this post.

Humans still have appendixes which perform no real function for us today, but they were useful for something at one point in our evolution.

Actually, the Chinese found out ages ago that the appendix produces a slime that covers the stool so that the stool doesn't harm the colon wall as it passes.

Some harmonic studies that compare plants with animals suggest that the vibratory rates of the appendix match those of plants that propagate through "appendages," like strawberries and some vines. Perhaps before the fall into sin, people would have propagated like this.

Some god isn't just twitching is nose and making things happen. Things happen for scientific reasons.

This is absolutely correct. God is way more scientific - from the currently evolved common meaning of "science," not the dictionary definition - than man is. Yet, from man's "dictionary science" meaning, God has made the soul of man so strong that He does examine the heart to see exactly what kind of faith exists there, person to person.

Smiley
39888  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 21, 2014, 02:20:16 AM

What matter is coming to dead?

Dead is has two parts.
1. death of body.
2. Death of soul.

Death of body may mean little. It may mean to simply stop working/living in this life.

Death of soul means, in part, cessation of all vibration of existence. This will take an eternity, because that is how long the soul will exist. This death is continual dying.

In God's realm, this will have an ending, a finishing, because God's realm exists with eternity and beyond eternity as well. But in the realms in which man exists, there will be no ending of this death. We cannot understand it from God's point of view, because we are not God, Himself. We will only feel it and experience it from man's point of view, because we are people.

God has worked to save people from the death, both of body, and of soul. That is what the story of Jesus is all about. Accept Jesus, be resurrected to eternal life with God, not eternal death away from God.

Much of this is beyond our clear understanding in this life. But it will happen to all of us something like this. Perhaps we will have a clearer understanding in the resurrection. But then it will be too late to change.

Smiley
39889  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: September 21, 2014, 02:07:31 AM
russia Smiley

If global warming continues, Northern Russian and Siberia will open up to being able to sustain another couple billion people, just like Northern Canada combined with Alaska. If the warming creates enough humidity. The deserts of Africa will open up for great population as well.

Too bad global warming seems to be dying down. In fact, we might be in for a new ice age.

Smiley
39890  Other / Off-topic / Re: I know how to bring world peace without destroying the world on: September 19, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
dank, do you have any tattoos?  Smiley
39891  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: September 19, 2014, 05:00:24 PM




Beautiful! I'd love to visit Russia. And I will!

One could never thank you enough for this great thread.

Good. Take your camera along, and post as many pictures as you can in this thread.  Smiley
39892  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why do dark skinned people get tattoos? on: September 19, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
Same reason that most people get tattoos. 'Cause they feel unimportant, weak, guilty, insecure, etc., down deep. A tattoo is something that people can do to themselves to make a statement TO themselves that they are important, because now they don't have any choice but to stand out in public. It can be a very bold and courageous move on the part of some.

Smiley

Yeah, thats maybe the tattoos your friends do. There are plenty tattoos on different cultures with different meanings...

Tattooing has been around a long time. It started in the thing that I said above. Now that it has been accepted worldwide, it has taken on various meanings.

Smiley
39893  Other / Off-topic / Re: What generally characterizes an atheist? on: September 19, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
Atheism is simply one of the methods that Satan deludes the minds of people with, to turn them away from God so that they won't be saved.

Smiley
39894  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why do dark skinned people get tattoos? on: September 19, 2014, 04:51:48 PM
Same reason that most people get tattoos. 'Cause they feel unimportant, weak, guilty, insecure, etc., down deep. A tattoo is something that people can do to themselves to make a statement TO themselves that they are important, because now they don't have any choice but to stand out in public. It can be a very bold and courageous move on the part of some.

Smiley
39895  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 19, 2014, 04:38:07 PM

... That's why scientists don't need to prove evolution. The evidence they collect just keeps pointing to it already.

As scientists are able to collect more and different kinds of evidence, much of the other evidence points away from evolution. Then there are those scientists who interpret the evidence in a non-evolution direction.

Smiley
I'm not sure what you mean? There has never been a single finding that is inconsistent with evolutionary theory. It would only take one finding to destroy a theory. That is why in science a theory is a powerful idea.

The ONLY reason that there has never been a finding that is inconsistent with evolutionary theory, is that evolutionary theory essentially (if not straight forwardly) says that every finding is consistent with evolutionary theory. The question is, how do we make multitudes of findings that don't seem to fit with each other in evolutionary theory, or each other in any kind of theory, so that they fit? And how do we do it in the light of many (most?) of those findings fitting creationism and who knows what other theories, as well? The point is, in this exact way, evolutionary theory has virtually proven that it is not worthy of even being called theory, to say nothing about having any kind of chance whatsoever of becoming law. Of course, there are going to be all kinds of scientists that think or say it is law. And there are all kinds of political scientists who say it is law no matter what they think, for other purposes.

Smiley
39896  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is a Madmax outcome coming before 2020? Thus do we need anonymity? on: September 19, 2014, 06:13:53 AM
The banks will crash all at once, probably from some kind of solar EMP on the electricity of the world. Many governments will go down with them. Local groups will form their own governments as necessary to help the members of their group. Anonymity as we know it will be irrelevant. Small groups hidden in the hills will have anonymity because of their remoteness, and this will be the only anonymity that will count. Militaries will die because there will be no-one to support them. Some areas will be a disaster, with gangs preying on the weak, like in MadMax.

Of course, I could be wrong...

Smiley
39897  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 19, 2014, 06:04:58 AM

... That's why scientists don't need to prove evolution. The evidence they collect just keeps pointing to it already.

As scientists are able to collect more and different kinds of evidence, much of the other evidence points away from evolution. Then there are those scientists who interpret the evidence in a non-evolution direction.

Smiley
39898  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's the future of the marijuana industry? on: September 19, 2014, 05:59:19 AM
Mysterious Men Dropping From Helicopters To Chop Down NorCal Marijuana Grows

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/mysterious-men-dropping-from-helicopters-to-chop-down-norcal-marijuana-grows-mendocino-county-lear-asset-management/

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/162942-2014-09-14-mysterious-men-dropping-from-helicopters-to-chop-down-norcal-marijuana.htm

Smiley
39899  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Isis bans Math,sports,Social studies.....Neanderthals! on: September 19, 2014, 05:37:31 AM
Why is US supporting ISIS in Syria while opposing it in Iraq? http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3413/why-is-us-supporting-isis-in-syria-while-opposing-it-in-iraq

Smiley
39900  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dawkins: Immoral Not To Abort Down’s Syndrome Child on: September 19, 2014, 05:32:36 AM
Down's varies in people. Some people you would never guess that they have it. Others are vegetables, barely alive. Abortion is murder.

Smiley
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