that is old news. 9 months ago.



  I am on the hook for a few bucks I used them as an alt coin to btc exchange for years.


  nmc ,dvc , ioc ,ixv   etc

does not look promising as no one seems to have an answer as to what has happened,

I agree with some work we may get close to 8%.

8% vs       14%

285usd vs 270usd


 a decent shift back to profit.

I would say if you are over 15 cents per kwatt and have no need for the heat they will give off you are correct.

2 sp20's or 2 s-5's can run on  1 evga 1300 g2 psu

So if you have the psu and need some spot heating for the next 3 months.

Those  2 miners may work out.

I have 8 sp20's and they lower my heating bill from 225 usd to 95 usd so that is a gain of 130 usd per month for Dec Jan Feb Mar

That means 1 of those 8 sp20's  is free due to the heat savings.

good point

wait I have a photo



the wide connectors going to the controller on top.  check them at the controller and at each of the two hashing boards

  Yeah that annoyed me,it was also worded really too hard.


 But It did bring my understanding to the level it should be at.  I will most likely do a few more changes in it. 

I actually think they did some mining .  That really was not the problem.  The problem was they changed rules over and over and over and over and over again.

Point in case I have 2 hashstakers each staked to 1 paycoin.  these are supposed to earn paycoins for no fees until the company ends.

Let me trace the history of them. From the beginning.

Say sept of 2014 maybe aug of 2014.  GAW gave free  fury miners to all of their customers.  Worth at time of gift was approx 50 usd.

Everyone that wanted to have it sent could get it sent. ---------They faced long delays getting it.

I kept it and was offered a conversion to a miner in the sky  so my miner had 1.3mh in the sky no fees. (1)

I was offered a chance to convert it to a prime in the sky 'no' fees forever I converted it again (2)

I was  offered a free upgrade to change it from 1.3 primes to 2.0 primes still no fees I upgraded it (3)
 
I was offered a chance to allow it to mine HP no more btc I did that still no fees                     (4)

I was offered to split the hashstakers into 2 1mh vs 1 2mh still no fees                                   (5)

I was asked to stake the stakers with coins my hps became 8 coins  I put 1 coin to each hashstaker and left the other six (6)

The coins went to trade on exchanges I sold the 6 at 6 bucks each = 36 bucks                                                (7)

I have the 2 hashstakers each with 1 coin earning a fraction a day.   That is far too much to track or pay attention to.

This constant change made them  too hard to follow.  I sold all my other stuff months ago.  They are pretty whack.

the row with all the zeros is a good row.

the row with the x's is bad row.



your freq at 325 is okay.  that should give you 2 full rows of 0's  and mine at about 1100gh


so try the reboot and see if it clears up.  

what is your psu?

 I use vircurex to convert my merged coins to btc.   I don't keep lots on the site maybe 0.08btc worth of alt coins. I convert them and pull out btc 1 or 2 times a week.

  So when I go to the site  for the last 10 hours I get this:

I wish the wife would let me run a 220 line for a pair of them. oh well

reboot it.

go to the GUI look for systems then look for reboot then reboot.



now if that does not work

1) what is your freq ? 350 is stock have you made freq higher then 350?

2) what is your psu ?  is it a decent psu ? can it provide 600-700 watts?

3) sometimes you need a lower freq clock say 325 for both rows to work.

I found in a cold room my s-5 went as high as freq 412 before your issue appeared. I also need a second fast loud fan to go at that freq of 412 to work.  with the stock fan my s-5 liked freq 375 as the max.

I like the evga 1300 g2's for 10 year warranty.
They work well.

 really like that they can run 2 s-5's or 2 sp20's if I down clock.

I like that they make less wires and space. then 2 or 3 smaller psu's

lastly they come with a trick switch for the psu to turn on.

My evga's have

1 run my s-1's
2 run my s-3's
3 now run my sp20's

Since I have 4 of them I have spare wires and such for them.

visdude has also offered a few ideas on the go cheap as you can route they can work for some and not for others

as my evga 1300 g2 pick can work for some not others.

Well in reviewing the list I reduced it from more then 50 to about 23 names

Pretty sure most are good names to leave.  It will get more reviewing . As for suggestions as to the remaining names fell free to post them here and or pm me.

here is the shorter list.

CrazyGuy
Unacceptable
kano
Cablez
davecoin
iluvpcs
crashoveride54902
Stunna
lazlopanaflex
Swimmer63
buysolar
SilentSonicBoom
TookDk
Chris_Sabian
DefaultTrust
stex2009
Stratobitz
Blazedout419
MoreBloodWine
BITMAIN
crowetic
pcfli
Zoomhash_michael
SDRebel


I may need to add :

CanaryInTheMine
mmpool
Spondoolies-Tech

My apologies for not quite understanding the difference between giving and getting trusts vs. putting someone on a trust list.

Lastly @ MR Teal thank you for fully explaining what was wrong with my use of the trust list.


The changes made moved me from:

 88: -0 /  +46(46) to

 59: -0 /  +31(31)

At Mr Teal you are correct:

A) I did business and it worked list  
B)I would trust this person with my wallet list so to speak

Would be a better system.
For now I will be leaving all trusts.
I will be removing some from the trust list.

second person on my default list is CrazyGuy-- he stays.
third person is Unacceptable  --------------------he stays.
fourth person is kano -----------------------------he stays.
fifth person is champbronc2----------------------he goes.
sixth is cablez ------------------------------------ he stays.
seventh is davecoin ------------------------------ he stays.
eighth is RicRock --------------------------------- he goes.
ninith is Delarock ---------------------------------he goes.
tenth is iluvpcs ------------------------------------ he stays.
11th crashoveride54902 -------------------------- stays
12th stunna --------------------------------------- stays
13th  lazlopanaflex --------------------------------stay
14th ssinc ------------------------------------------ goes  
15th razorfishsl ------------------------------------goes
16th btceic ----------------------------------------- goes
17th Swimmer63 ----------------------------------- stays
18th buysolar --------------------------------------- stays
19th SilentSonicBoom ------------------------------ stays
20th tookdk ----------------------------------------- stays
21st jc328 ------------------------------------------ goes
22nd Chris_Sabian---------------------------------- goes
23rd DefaultTrust -----------------------------------  I believe this has to stay?
24th klintay ----------------------------------------- goes
25th stex2009 -------------------------------------- stays
26th boldar ------------------------------------------ goes
27th de_ixie ------------------------------------------ goes
28th Stratobitz --------------------------------------- stays
29th evilpanda --------------------------------------- goes
30th Blazedout419 ----------------------------------- stays
31st btcxcg -------------------------------------------- goes
32nd bronxnua ---------------------------------------- goes don't understand why he was on the list
33rd tripppon ----------------------------------------- goes
34th xZork --------------------------------------------- goes
35th crocko -------------------------------------------- goes
36th mchu168 ------------------------------------------ goes
37th itsrealfast ------------------------------------------ goes
38th Albertdroid ----------------------------------------- goes
39th MoreBloodWine ------------------------------------- stays
40th BITMAIN -------------------------------------------- stays watch for misspelled versions of it.
41st CoinGeneral  ---------------------------------------- goes
42nd dance191 ------------------------------------------- goes
43rd crowetic --------------------------------------------- stays
44th dyland ----------------------------------------------- goes
45th pcfli -------------------------------------------------- stays be careful of misspelled versions
46th Diddyu ----------------------------------------------- goes
47th Zoomhash_michael --------------------------------- Stays
48th RockDaddy ------------------------------------------ goes
49th SDRebel ----------------------------------------------- stays
50th MunkeySpaz ------------------------------------------ goes
51st Xtra7973 --------------------------------------------- goes

I am will to work with my list on this thread one by one.

@ Mr Teal    


 this is what I did not understand and it has now become an issue with the promotion to the default list.


first name on the  trust list is dentldir  i did a deal  on 2013-11-16  I will remove him from list not that he is a bad person but the way trust system works as now explained to me. 

The trust is okay the trust list is too good

over the last 2 years I added a lot of members.  I can see that this is an issue and since I was put on the default list I have had some pm's and questions asked.

I am going to do more review on the list  to try to get it to be more accurate.  here is the list as it is today.

 Okay I see your logic so the question is how to  be fair . Remember I made the lists over the last 2.5 years and if someone did a good sale I trusted them and they trusted me.   In both directions sometimes I was the buyer and sometimes I was the seller.

I am just trying to get along here and not be at odds with people.
I am certainly willing to work with members here and not fight with members.

hey guys I am on the site constantly for more then two years.  How about a pm or two for a heads up. Rather then starting a thread that attacks me

Frankly I did not ask for the promotion to the default list.  And I don't want to defend myself here.

As for positive and amount risked.  If you send me 1 btc for a miner you may never get the miner so you risked 1 btc.

If I mail you a good miner and you say it is dead I am risking the same 1btc Since I always send a replacement .

I will look into the list as  it is long and covers many people I have removed a few names upon request and I am certainly willing to check it over more closely.

As to putting coins risked  if the deal worked both ways I am leaving the trust in since I fully back my gear up when I sell it .

As I am at risk to someone lying about the gear that I sold to them.

I need some info. 

where do you live? not exactly but if in the usa name the state.  anywhere else name the country.  I am in USA New Jersey

what is your power price?   5 cents a kwatt  10 cents a kwatt 15 cents a kwatt 20 cents a kwatt.   Over 20 cents you are a certain loser

what is your noise tolerance?

do you have powers supplies on hand?

is it the winter where you are?

First off don't buy coins you are new not fun.

Second If you order today and get some sp20's from spondoolies  you get an added benefit of free heat if it is the winter. they are pretty much set it and forget it

they will most likely lose money, but not a lot.  I have 8 of them.

  I downclock them to 1200gh I lower the fan on them to setting 20  and they help to heat my home while earning some money.

this is correct.  I rent for nicehash and westhash  .  They are great when a lot of people are renting to mine a hot coin.  Give me a minute to show how to set your miner's pools up to allow for westhash or nicehash to mine only when the price is a bit better.
 note westhash is for the western hemisphere
 nicehash is for the rest of the world

my pools page on my sp20  I set my rental price at 0.0141  that is about  0.0023 over the normal price of 0.0118  per th  

this overspread may allow for 10 to 30 hours a week  at the higher prices.

the pool it is mining at now is paying me about .0119 .



where my sp20 is mining right now it skipped over nicehash.  I set my rental price too high