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39981  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 14, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
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The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Smiley

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

Smiley

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...
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... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...
... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Smiley

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Smiley

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

Smiley
39982  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 14, 2014, 03:29:35 PM
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The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Smiley

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

Smiley

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...
Quote
... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...
... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Smiley

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Smiley
39983  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 14, 2014, 03:21:58 AM
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The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Smiley

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

Smiley

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...
Quote
... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...
... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Smiley
39984  Other / Off-topic / Re: I just lost it on: September 13, 2014, 10:04:07 PM
In some countries it was even worse. I actually saw people saying ~1200-1300 euro for the iPhone 5 at release.
Somewhere in Europe.  Wink


It was 700 usd I think in USA, which is 526 euros. lol
But Apple thinks that 1 usd = 1 euro, so the prices are the same in France and America, but the currency is different  Shocked

Wow! We could start trading iPhones on the Foreign Currency Exchange!   Grin
39985  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 09:59:54 PM
So the OP just proved that Thor is real?
For the Asgard!!!  Grin Grin

Of course Thor is real. But only in the minds of some of the people. And only for as long as they live.

Smiley
39986  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 09:48:07 PM
^^ Philosophy and conjecture is all I see in that post. Don't get me wrong philosophy is the greatest gift mankind kind has, it creates a path to critical thinking but it can also be used to skew the ideals of weaker minds.

Time is a very real mathematical constant, to simplify it with such a linear definition is a fallacy.

Well, there's a kind of reverse poetry in that "philosophy and conjecture" post, as well.

In its simplest terms, time is a dimension of space that gives space the freedom to move. Without time, nothing in space could move without crashing into something else. Everything in space would be held rigid. Could something else be developed that would make time unnecessary? Probably. But it would change the whole structure of the universe.

Smiley
39987  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.
You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah Cheesy an apt reference Wink

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

Smiley

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

Smiley
39988  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 02:06:52 AM
If Jesus is God, then what about this reference which says otherwise?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso01.htm

What do you think about this, BADecker?

It seems that this book is demonstrating the true authorship of the New Testament; I would like to hear your opinion prior to making a hasty conclusion!

Some points.

1. The Old testament suggests that Jesus was present in the form of the Angel of the Lord. The "The" rather than an "an" Angel is the distinction. Several places in the O.T. talk about the angel of the Lord. His earliest clear showing is at the time of the Exodus. The best overall description is in the minor prophet book of Zechariah.

2. How many books suggest the things at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso01.htm ? People - me too - like to add their own interpretations of things at times.

3. Search on the Council of Nicea, in 325 A.D., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed. Remember to check other places, as well. Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, and some people edit it with questionable info. Arrius was a priest in Egypt who disagreed with the majority at the Council of Nicea.

4. Check any bibliography for the reference you listed.

5. Can we trust that the bishops at the Council of Nicea acted with freedom? It is indeed a great study. Many have undertaken it. The consensus seems to be that those bishops were acting honestly.

The whole thing seems to boil down to the question of Bible scholars being trained honestly and logically. Is there a big political cover-up of the truth? For example, I have mentioned the Exekiel 28 reference to Satan in the O.T. This reference is seldom mentioned in the churches, yet it is very eye-opening about Satan and how things work, both on earth, and in heaven. So, why would the churches not mention it? Is it possible that some of the things in Ezekiel 28 run against traditional church teaching?

The most important point has to do with salvation and eternal life.

Smiley
39989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: No one really NEED bitcoin on: September 13, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
No one really NEED bitcoin, isn't it?
Right now, there are like 206 sovereign nations in the world, each with their own official form of State Monopoly Money. From a volatility perspective, Bitcoin is already objectively superior to about 40 or 50 of them.

If you're living in the USA or Western Europe, Bitcoin probably seems totally irrelevent to your life. After all, the dollar is stable, right? It works, so why do you need something else? The truth is you don't. Yet.

But sooner or later your tune will change when your nation's fiat scrip inflation begins accelerating to disturbing speeds.

Bitcoin is like water - you don't need it, until you do. Fortunately for all you nationalist ingrates, it will be ready and waiting, it will welcome you with open arms when you inevitably come crawling back looking for a safe place to stow your wealth.

It's not a matter of IF you will come with your bowl of worthless fiat begging for Bitcoin, it's a matter of WHEN. We are speaking of a mathematical inevitability here, friends.



Do you understand?

I sure hope it will work like this. Because, if the fiat crash brings down the Internet and/or the electrical grid, most of the people will not be able to use Bitcoin. Bitcoin will be lost just like fiat. People will go back to direct trade and barter until militaries take them over. In the U.S., because of the vast stores of guns and ammo that the people have, things just might be different.

But, if the Internet and the power grid come down, Bitcoin will at best fork all over the place. There will be more Bitcoin fiats than there have been of all the other kinds of fiats through all time. Bitcoin will probably flop just like all the others. At least, people won't trust it any longer.

Smiley
39990  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 12:57:36 AM
Scientific requires empirical proof, this post is henceforth a vapid concept, thus it cannot be proved or disproved.

I agree with an aspect of this. Here's what I mean.

Let's make one of the forms of copper sulfate - or any chemical that we might choose - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper%28II%29_sulfate. Let's do it exactly the same way every time we do it. And let's do the method billions of billions of times. Why? Because the next time the results might be different and make a different chemical. I mean, what are the odds that it can happen the same way every time? All we need is ONE difference to show that the universe is inconsistent, and that random chance can happen.

Since nothing whatsoever can be proven about anything, because the next time things might be different, let's throw away all our modern inventions, forget all our knowledge, take up cave living, eat whatever comes to our hand rather than planting or hunting, etc.

After all, this is what evolutionists suggest, indirectly, and by inference.

Smiley
39991  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 13, 2014, 12:44:20 AM
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The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Smiley

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

Smiley
39992  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: September 13, 2014, 12:39:41 AM
Such an interesting thread about Russian cultures

Thank You.

Yes.

People from around the world are generally nice. Things like governments and organized religion train them to be hateful. I have read that during the times of Stalin and following, until the freedom that came in 1991, the Russian people were looking for support from the American people. But government propaganda on both sides turns the people against each other.

Smiley
39993  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 12, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
I think the real problem is that there is no evidence that you are really interested in evidence on the subject.Or on any subject you disagree with - like global warming.
This is not a disagreement. I'm just pointing out the facts. My position on the issue of the existence of your "god" is not a matter of opinion.
Only in your delusional mind do things exist just because you want them to.

If your fairy tale god really did exist, then my opinion wouldn't matter, would it?
Sorry Rigon, you have not provided any evidence that you are sincere.  Ball is in your court there.Me,Sana ,BADecker give you all the answers you need ,quoted as well...but you still consider me a lair.
Your religious beliefs are nothing but lies, and you are a liar, and there is not enough bullshit on the planet to bury it.

I'm not sure what you think you are accomplishing by continuing your childish crusade, but what you are proving is that you're simply too stupid to figure it out.

Move on.....?  Good idea. Why don't you just shut  up and move on?  You've been at this for how many years now.....?

Everybody becomes irritated, at least a little, when someone contradicts them and says that they don't know what they are talking about. But, come now. No need to get so irritated that you are on the verge of becoming angry. And, please be patient with Zolace when he sounds angry or irritated. We can't get any discussion in when we are all bordering on anger.

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39994  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 12, 2014, 05:23:52 PM
Monkey Magic.. After scran.. connect external backup of files deleted from net.. Argue this bible stuff..

With proof..

The only time proof of God will exist for you is when He meets you face to face and forces you to believe Him - a thing you instinctively want to do anyway.

However, the machine/Machine-Maker quality of the universe is so absolutely great that, if you examine it in detail, as a whole, God is the only conclusion that you can logically and emotionally come to.

Smiley
39995  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 12, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
Oh, and with regards to animals CHOOSING:

Meet Foxy Lady, chocolate doberman, search and rescue dog. When I CHOSE due to whatever circumstance, to ram a tinnie beer intae someones face and she jumps up and CHOOSES to save me from jail (protecting her food scource, again, by choice..) by clamping my arm in her mouth (not biting) and pulling me back.. did she have a choice, or was it ordained by god.. the chances of predicting the your next reply is based on the obvious.. bible folks are so predictable.. they will say god did it.. yeah.. god killed jesus. Or was it Hiram Abiff?

Your doggie doesn't act by choice. It is according to instinct, which essentially is programming. In the ways that you act without god, you pretty much are acting by instinct, too.

Smiley
39996  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 12, 2014, 05:13:31 PM
This thread is now just a waste of time, Suddenly animals cant choose? I mean, c'mon, almost everything in existance, has been discussed here using less than 60 years of knowledge, and a shite book for those who impose by trying to save people from NOTHING.

We die, period, and no-one ever did come back from the dead.

At the end, we die, only then will we wish we knew what we already know.

We are fucked over by these religions period. Your kids are sexually abused, and your families are attacked and killed by these people, while they keep all the riches. (spoils of war) you POOR fuckers. (me too lol)

When will the church divy up all that gold and give each starving child enough buy the land they can plant food on? NEVER, cause they're to busy SAVING. (for themselves)

In fact, when will they do anything instead of getting their bashers to do it for them?

Cause they're all the fuckin same.. COWARDS.

If you had a choice, forced slavery, or belief in god, I know what you'd choose, cause you already have.. you chose slavery, whatever your excuse.

Both animals and people appear to make choices. But the choices that we all make are based entirely on stimulus of some kind. Often the stimulus is made up of complex stimuli, that nobody could track down and pinpoint - almost in the same way nobody could ever track all the molecules of air that make a leaf blow this way or that in the wind, and the way that they work to make the leaf move. It's all cause and effect, action and reaction. The only way in which it is not cause and effect is in people. It works like this.

Nobody, no person, knows for a fact what will happen, even in the next second. We trust that things will happen in certain ways, based on our experience. Yet, sometimes our trust is misplaced. If it weren't, there wouldn't be any car accidents, or people killed in airliner crashes.

The thing that we trust in, is our down-deep knowledge of God. And God measures our trust in Him and makes tweaks to things in life, so that it appears that we have made choices that are different than simple cause and effect. And they ARE different than simple cause and effect. Yet, they are God's tweaks, based on the way He reads the trust and faith we have in Him.

NOTE: Like it or not, way down deep, you trust in God, and you have a certain amount of faith in Him. If you didn't, you'd be dead. What I can't understand is why people would rather ignore God, thereby committing slow suicide (It takes a long time to quench the faith God put into your heart of every person.), than accept Him and live?

Smiley

Forgive me, but you need to consider what you say sometimes, (me 2, with re: to offending some) Re: NOTE: Dont take it personally, but to trust or have faith in God is to remove trust or faith in LIFE (or life experience), but to say 'I' have trust, or faith in God is offensive to me, for then I become part of the paedo squad.. an undeniable fact. They killed more people in the last few centuries than any other army combined. See, without life, even God cannot exist, for life existed before the creator of all, in order for him to not only himself 'begin' but to find the resources required to build something so big.. (Yup, thats a shit load of STONE up there.. I guess from nothing came all that? ) -or did no materials exist before him? Since life was born before any void or force that can move over.. get it? Face up to the facts that MOST people on this earth CHOOSE not to worship YOUR remix of god for one simple fact, they have killed another. For whatever poor excuse they could come up with. Not only that, but kings, queens and governing bodies (bullies), whom cant exist without being 'ordained' by THAT piss assed god? It's no wonder ISIS is gaining in popularity, for those western governments need put down due to their corruption and the lies they spread whilst stealing, well, everything, including YOUR kids.. and his.. and hers..

The problem with god is there are those forcing, using any method necessary, THEIR religion, not GOD. What must we do? Pray from a book that has been tampered with so many times if it was bitcoin we'd have dumped it by now? Ooops..


Actually, to have faith and trust in God IS to have faith and trust in life. God made the chemicals from which gunpowder is taken. The bank robber who denies God, still trusts that the gunpowder will work when he wants to use his gun in the robbery. So, he is trusting in the God he denies.

ALL people make mistakes. ALL people do bad things. Religious people do wrong by thinking that their religion authorizes them to do wrong. So, is that fact going to make us do further wrong by denying the existence of God?

We don't know that God can't exist without life. In fact, Jesus, Who is God along with His Father and the Holy Spirit, did exist without life during the time between His death and resurrection.

Much of what you are saying comes from the imperfect knowledge that we all have. It is guesswork. Two things are NOT guesswork. They are that the machinery of the universe is great, presently beyond the understanding man (if it weren't, we would have figured out how to live to be 500 years old by now), and machines have machine makers that are greater than the machines that they make.

Not everybody of every religion agrees with the evil that some of the people do in the name of their religion. Some Christians do great evil. Other Christians protest the evil that their brothers-in-name-only do. It's the same with the Muslims, and the Buddhists, and the Shintos, and the Hindus. Don't let the evil that some people do in the name of religion cause you to lose your faith in God. If you do, you are starting to become like them.

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39997  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 12, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Born of a virgin in a stable/cave on the winter solstice (visited by Noblemen bearing gifts) ;  died/crucified on a cross on the Spring Equinox; baptized in water; 12 disciples; healed the sick/made blind men see; ascended into Heaven and promised to return someday.....

Straight out of pagan mythology.

Take another look....

Mary and Joseph took Jesus and fled Herod's' "Massacre of the Innocents" ( murdering all male children under 2 years old).

That event never happened. Something like that certainly would not have escaped the historians' attention.

Was your Jesus a "fairy tale"?

You'd be hard-pressed to prove he wasn't.

Read Ezekiel 28. Read about the king of Tyre. You will see that God is, in part, speaking through Ezekiel about Satan, the Devil, who, among other things, ... "walked among the fiery stones." In other words, at one time Satan walked within the great areas of God, Himself. Satan was given some of the great power by God. And, although God is taking that power away from Satan, Satan still has enough of it to recognize the future somewhat, and to place among the false gods and religions of the world, the information about Jesus, to make the Jesus story look like just another story.

How great is/was Satan? He was given the ability to rise from the dead. This is what Revelation 20:1-3 is talking about: "1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."

You are missing a lot.

Smiley
39998  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 12, 2014, 03:47:31 PM
You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah Cheesy an apt reference Wink

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

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39999  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 12, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
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Then there is Matthew 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

BBQ pork and large juicy steaks cooked at the Lake of Fire?
Perhaps you die and are completely gone?

The lake of fire is metaphorically like a cauldron for melting iron in a steel mill. It's designed to "melt" the eternal soul into its component parts, thereby taking the impurities out, and returning the pure "energy" that God put into the universe, back to Him. Because the soul is eternal, it will take an eternity of "melting and purifying" to get God His basic "energy" back. God can do this because He works outside of eternity as well as within it, all of it in ways we probably will never understand.

Look at the Gospels in the Bible and see how many times Jesus talks about the fire that burns up the evil people. If you want to see what the lake of fire really is, combine everything you know from scripture about Jesus, and focus it all in the words in Luke 12:49,50. It might take a little thinking, but all of you should be able to figure it out - what the lake of fire really is.

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40000  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 12, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
Actually, it was God who planned and coded this universe....

It's possible, I guess nothing has zero probability.

Myself I find enough awe in the observable universe to  not want/need a deity, and my "afterlife" (the part of me that is bigger than me) is ensured in the genetic code of my children.

But we are so close to zero probability regarding the machine of the universe having no Machine-Maker, that it might as well be zero probability. Take a look sometime, at the odds where probability scientists consider probability to be an impossibility, even though it is technically still probability. The probability that the universe or life could simply happen falls into these realms of probability that are considered by scientists to be impossible. In fact, the probability that life could have happened without a Maker is way, way, way, way, way, way, beyond the simple impossibility limits that scientists place on probability.

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