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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: This Bitcoin Developer Is About to Take on the Mining Hardware Industry on: November 25, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Halongmining machines are about 30 percent more energy efficient than the most efficient ASIC miner on the market right now, Bitmain’s AntMiner S9. Very interesting article and much cheaper mining hardware than Bitmain AntMiner S9.
 
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-developer-about-take-mining-hardware-industry/


waiit 6 months to buy even more efficient miners, just like a trader, be patient
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:08:13 PM
What's seeing my donation addresses got to do with anything


why would you need us to see your donation addy if you had enough run a lightning node?

I said you have no idea what I own apart from what you can see from my donation addresses I don't need you to see them but it's a bit hard to have them but hide what's in the one address I use publicly


I move funds around sometimes and also consolidate balances occasionally but never share between private and public

I'm not here to debate for the sake of debating. I'm well aware of the fact that we have no idea what you own, but what's the point of posting your donation addresses in your sig if you don't need us to see them in the first place.

Because it's free and sometimes people actually donate not many but ive had a few


so what who cares,

Obviously you since you're the only one with anything to say about it

shouldn't you be with the rest of the group executing this dragon slayer we're all here still waiting it was supposed to have happened by now it's just been a bit let down so far

why, please explain

EDIT: don't bother, I don't care about that dragon slayer shit story anyways, get lost, I was in BCH at 150$ thank you
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:05:22 PM
I'm using w10, that shitty piece of OS, so what now, what version of linux are you noobs using?
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:03:46 PM
BCH's spokesperson said that his support for BCH's original intention was to create a quality project that would solve many problems, not to make money


Yes, surely. (This is a joke by the way but still tasteless pictures when he talks about poor just a few tweets before posting those pictures.)

Tasteless? He wont be able to help any poor people if he himself is poor. This is very tasteful because he actually earned his Lamborghini and he's simply standing next to it... Go look up pictures of people posing with their lambos.... Then you will see a bunch of tasteless pricks posing who don't deserve what they have.

Nope, I disagree. It's still tasteless. You don't see Bill Gates taking such pictures.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BILL GATES
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:02:54 PM
What's seeing my donation addresses got to do with anything


why would you need us to see your donation addy if you had enough run a lightning node?

I said you have no idea what I own apart from what you can see from my donation addresses I don't need you to see them but it's a bit hard to have them but hide what's in the one address I use publicly


I move funds around sometimes and also consolidate balances occasionally but never share between private and public

I'm not here to debate for the sake of debating. I'm well aware of the fact that we have no idea what you own, but what's the point of posting your donation addresses in your sig if you don't need us to see them in the first place.

Because it's free and sometimes people actually donate not many but ive had a few


so what who cares,
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 09:59:22 AM
  Smiley  Bit cash is more reliable, the market has given the answer, so the price is Biao up, while BTG, BCD, SBTC these play pre dug behavior, eventually Yuhua some, I believe!  Smiley
what you talking about btc just hit another ATH .you deluded

can't you see this ath was so strongly rejected that traders are closing their positions as they buy back, fueling the retracement that smart money set up as a bull trap while they dumped their heavy loads. Now their greed turns into fear, and the fear of missing out got them burn marked. who's deluded here? market manipulation at its finest, because they get rekt, big players will push this ath higher and trap even more noobs who didn't noticed that btc adjustment went down as hashrate was also at an ath.

What is funny comparison on recent ATH no doubt you are the market guru and majority of the people following your analysis. The more you will talk the more will expose I'm following this thread just because of this kind of comment. This is nice way to get entertain.

you will learn that in trading, being right or wrong does not matter as long as you're making profits, keep posting your usual non sensical crap, I'm the one thanking you for your invaluable contribution and the entertaining value you add to this thread.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
What's seeing my donation addresses got to do with anything


why would you need us to see your donation addy if you had enough run a lightning node?

I said you have no idea what I own apart from what you can see from my donation addresses I don't need you to see them but it's a bit hard to have them but hide what's in the one address I use publicly


I move funds around sometimes and also consolidate balances occasionally but never share between private and public

I'm not here to debate for the sake of debating. I'm well aware of the fact that we have no idea what you own, but what's the point of posting your donation addresses in your sig if you don't need us to see them in the first place.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 09:06:35 AM
 Smiley  Bit cash is more reliable, the market has given the answer, so the price is Biao up, while BTG, BCD, SBTC these play pre dug behavior, eventually Yuhua some, I believe!  Smiley
what you talking about btc just hit another ATH .you deluded

can't you see this ath was so strongly rejected that traders are closing their positions as they buy back, fueling the retracement that smart money set up as a bull trap while they dumped their heavy loads. Now their greed turns into fear, and the fear of missing out got them burn marked. who's deluded here? market manipulation at its finest, because they get rekt, big players will push this ath higher and trap even more noobs who didn't noticed that btc adjustment went down as hashrate was also at an ath.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
Bilderberg Group funds Blockstream
Blockstream sidechain business
So whose best interest does Bitcoin Core Developers have in mind here? Side chains or Bitcoin?
Did anyone ever ask them who is going to vet these side chains? Or will this become another fiat ponzi scheme. Print baby print??
Why is there no such thing as fork protection yet? lol This cash is cores fault if they'd just go to 2mb blocks but then that ruins their side chains...

Follow the money and investors... trust but verify... unless you like giving your money away...




Anyone can run a lightning node including me and you and it's trustless there is no vetting any bad players will just loose money it's the way its designed

Say we have a payment channel and I try and cheat you then you can just claim everything and I loose everything so it's in my interest to be honest


Tek,

quit lying , you know it is not about being able to run a very small hub.
(You don't have enough money to back a hub large enough to even be a concern.)

It is the Large Hubs that are going to act as banks and report everything to the govenrment.
Including starting fractional reserves.

https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/how-the-lightning-network-could-ultimately-destroy-bitcoin-t21092.html


Quote
The re-emergence of fractional reserve lending
At this stage, hubs would be financially incentivized and able to hold fractional reserves to start loaning out depositors' bitcoins to borrowers

Quote
Embrace, extend and extinguish
So at this point, the lightning network would effectively either merge with or morph into a simile of the current banking system.
Just as gold used to be physically ferried around in an expensive and inefficient exercise to conduct settlements between banks, bitcoins will instead be used to settle between hubs.
Assuming that this system takes over completely from the current global banking system, then the mining fees for these settlement transactions might be truly astronomical, say $1,000 per transaction.
So in the end, Bitcoin would be priced out of reach of everyone except financial institutions.
Once it becomes particularly awkward and expensive for people to take delivery, due to these sorts of fees, Bitcoin's relevance will be gradually de-emphasized and eventually detached from the financial system by government decree—exactly as happened with gold in recent decades.

Quote
What went wrong
So how did this happen?
The primary incentive for the growth of fractional reserve Bitcoin banks will come from any economies of scale in the costs of issuing transactions.
So for instance, this applies where a service provider with a lot of capital can make transactions on behalf of its customers much more cheaply than the customers could themselves.
Currently—or at least until very recently—no such economy of scale exists, primarily because there is currently no (well established) mechanism for aggregating multiple arbitrary payments into fewer or smaller blockchain transactions.
With the Lightning Network however, heavily capitalized hubs will be able to make transactions at negligible marginal cost, while end users will need to spend a far larger relative chunk of their money opening and closing channels.
As a result, there is an inescapable and huge economic incentive for hubs to act on behalf of their customers to issue transactions for them.
This is fertile ground for hubs to then become banks, start up fractional reserve practices, dilute the money supply, gradually divert attention away from the underlying asset (Bitcoin) and ultimately detach it entirely from the financial system.

Quote
What can we do?
There are no doubt many clever ways to avert this possible future.
One way is to ensure that the base layer is friction free.
That is, we should aim to minimize the time and cost of on-chain transactions.
This will leave no room for the growth of professional financial middlemen to re-emerge and reintroduce their bureaucracy, enforced mediation, censorship, monetary meddling, confiscation, counterfeiting, bailouts, bail-ins and wildly disproportionate influence and control they wield over the direction of the development of civilization.

Bitcoin Cash can replace segshitcoin and block these fractional reserve LN Hubs run by the banking cartels.


╥Aztek

Since a payment channel can be as little as 0.1BTC or less im pretty sure I have enough it's even recommended to only open small channels as it's destined more for small micro transactions you have no idea how much I own apart from what you can see in the donation addresses in my sig



no wonders we can see his donation addresses in his sig

What's seeing my donation addresses got to do with anything


why would you need us to see your donation addy if you had enough run a lightning node?
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 08:24:24 AM
Bilderberg Group funds Blockstream
Blockstream sidechain business
So whose best interest does Bitcoin Core Developers have in mind here? Side chains or Bitcoin?
Did anyone ever ask them who is going to vet these side chains? Or will this become another fiat ponzi scheme. Print baby print??
Why is there no such thing as fork protection yet? lol This cash is cores fault if they'd just go to 2mb blocks but then that ruins their side chains...

Follow the money and investors... trust but verify... unless you like giving your money away...




Anyone can run a lightning node including me and you and it's trustless there is no vetting any bad players will just loose money it's the way its designed

Say we have a payment channel and I try and cheat you then you can just claim everything and I loose everything so it's in my interest to be honest


Tek,

quit lying , you know it is not about being able to run a very small hub.
(You don't have enough money to back a hub large enough to even be a concern.)

It is the Large Hubs that are going to act as banks and report everything to the govenrment.
Including starting fractional reserves.

https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/how-the-lightning-network-could-ultimately-destroy-bitcoin-t21092.html


Quote
The re-emergence of fractional reserve lending
At this stage, hubs would be financially incentivized and able to hold fractional reserves to start loaning out depositors' bitcoins to borrowers

Quote
Embrace, extend and extinguish
So at this point, the lightning network would effectively either merge with or morph into a simile of the current banking system.
Just as gold used to be physically ferried around in an expensive and inefficient exercise to conduct settlements between banks, bitcoins will instead be used to settle between hubs.
Assuming that this system takes over completely from the current global banking system, then the mining fees for these settlement transactions might be truly astronomical, say $1,000 per transaction.
So in the end, Bitcoin would be priced out of reach of everyone except financial institutions.
Once it becomes particularly awkward and expensive for people to take delivery, due to these sorts of fees, Bitcoin's relevance will be gradually de-emphasized and eventually detached from the financial system by government decree—exactly as happened with gold in recent decades.

Quote
What went wrong
So how did this happen?
The primary incentive for the growth of fractional reserve Bitcoin banks will come from any economies of scale in the costs of issuing transactions.
So for instance, this applies where a service provider with a lot of capital can make transactions on behalf of its customers much more cheaply than the customers could themselves.
Currently—or at least until very recently—no such economy of scale exists, primarily because there is currently no (well established) mechanism for aggregating multiple arbitrary payments into fewer or smaller blockchain transactions.
With the Lightning Network however, heavily capitalized hubs will be able to make transactions at negligible marginal cost, while end users will need to spend a far larger relative chunk of their money opening and closing channels.
As a result, there is an inescapable and huge economic incentive for hubs to act on behalf of their customers to issue transactions for them.
This is fertile ground for hubs to then become banks, start up fractional reserve practices, dilute the money supply, gradually divert attention away from the underlying asset (Bitcoin) and ultimately detach it entirely from the financial system.

Quote
What can we do?
There are no doubt many clever ways to avert this possible future.
One way is to ensure that the base layer is friction free.
That is, we should aim to minimize the time and cost of on-chain transactions.
This will leave no room for the growth of professional financial middlemen to re-emerge and reintroduce their bureaucracy, enforced mediation, censorship, monetary meddling, confiscation, counterfeiting, bailouts, bail-ins and wildly disproportionate influence and control they wield over the direction of the development of civilization.

Bitcoin Cash can replace segshitcoin and block these fractional reserve LN Hubs run by the banking cartels.


╥Aztek


Say we have a payment channel and I try and cheat you then you can just claim everything and I loose everything so it's in my interest to be honest

With Bitcoin Cash, I have to send you the bitcoins , You can not Seize/Confiscate them.

With Lighten Network Hubs, any coins your give to them can be Seized/Confiscated per their design and given to anyone they deem fit.
Code changes could be added anytime to allow your governments to seize your LN funds at will.

Be aware , LN hubs are only about making you slaves to the Elite Bankers and stopping Satoshi's Dream!

That is why Bitcoin Cash is the Real Bitcoin (It frees the owners of financial slavery) and segshitcoin is just an elite con to keep financial middle men your masters.

Bitcoin Cash= Freedom

Segshit/LN= Slavery

Make your choice and remember your children and their children's children fates are in your hands.



no wonders we can see his donation addresses in his sig
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:59:51 AM
next?
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:57:22 AM
why you think the BTG was a scam?
I can't agree with you,it had been trade in Binance and bittrex,the popular exchange had been admit it's birth,
any bad news about the dev team?


6 guys , who only 4 need to agreed to sell 40000 coins whenever they like plus 60000 more after a time lock.

PLEASE , it is nothing but a scam.

Bittrex is popular because they manipulate/falsify the trading volumes,  
But they are also scammers.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bittrex+lost+my+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


╥Aztek




I got you point now.
I will just leave it alone until there is some real development happening with BTG.


you might as well get into DOGE, at least it's not a premined coin that scam crew devs can dump on you at will.
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 25, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
Bitcoin Cash Fund site now launched!
We're a community-driven, grass-roots org accelerating adoption of BitcoinCash

everyone donate to the devs!   Cheesy  bwaaaahaha

A good product advertises itself if you have to pay to make people believe you then there is a problem

these scumbags have plenty of coins don't be fooled this is a direct attack on bitcoin as it stands today :\ >.>this group has TOO MUCH MONEY ALREADY!!!

Yea number 1 customer of fiver cos the work I've seen so far looks like it's been done by a newbie to Photoshop just a bit of copy/paste whatever they have paid they got ripped off


BTG will overtake BCH in price mainly because it's GPU like the REAL BITCOIN was ,,,they did a great job of banding together the blockblockers trying to block bitcoin Wink lol

Rest assured that, given with your trust feedback from btctalk users, it comes as no surprise that fools the likes of you have the nerves to pollute this thread and promote scammy coins like BTG.
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
TONIGHT, go buy a rope....
You don't need it, it will come to you  Grin

ignored
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
TONIGHT, go buy a rope....
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Photo and background profile of the main figures behind Bitcoin cash. on: November 24, 2017, 08:24:14 PM

The Cuneta article has so many errors, misunderstandings, misdirections and/or lies, it amazes me that even ignorant people continue posting it.

examples?

lol "you’re likely a bit excited about the free fall (after months of going up, up, up) " BTC sitting at 8.2ks as we speak, have you even opened a chart and have a look at that monthly candle?
lol lol "Bitcoin has come out stronger after every attack on the system"
lol lol lol "the people running Bitcoin Cash are “plotting the death of Bitcoin” by launching a coordinated attack on the Bitcoin network. " you noobs will never understand how it works, if btc goes down, bch will follow suit and vice versa.
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 08:20:02 PM
^

I don't like you personally because you are rude but "dingbat moron" was pretty funny.  Grin

you're entitled to your own opinions, call me the bad guy  Wink
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 06:04:19 PM
any1 wants to red flag me? ok, here's an article for you, segshit core shills: http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/11/24/bitcoin-cash-new-religion, it's entitled "Bitcoin Cash, The New Religion". Go ahead, lol.

lol,

I wouldn't doubt some of these core-trolls pray to their btc coinz at night.  



p.s.

BCH to d moon.  Grin

a real tight crew,
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 05:53:02 PM
on this fake thread, it's even better than hero membership.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: November 24, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
all right, I'll wait for a new ath, this thread should be polluted with core segshitter's spams by then.  

A lot have you on their ignore list

good riddance, I could hardly care less. all I want is red flag status
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